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Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

Would you shoot your fellow Americans?

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LaMidRighter said:
That's no lie. Sad thing is a couple of friends of mine have had conversations with a few field agents, they are actually not bad people. The upper ranks of the ATF are complete incompetents who are severely anti-gun though, and unfortunately they're the ones issuing orders.
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I'm sure, they can't even keep track of their own inventories. It took them nearly 5 years to simply discover they had what I'd estimate to be about 450,000 dollars of guns and computers missing from inventory. Not sure if they even found one culprit. It's an incompetent agency, I don't understand how they still exist.
 
I would never shoot my own citizens.
 
What I think is disgusting is the idea that some people think it is OK to shoot other people who are not doing anything to harm them, just because.

How do they justify that. By what right and how does the coincide with their relgious beliefs?

Crazy just plain crazy
 
H. Lee White said:
Given the proper circumstances, there's exactly one person I would not shoot.
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A lot of people won't get what you're saying, but I do.

I would say the same. Given the right (or to put it another way, terribly horribly wrong) circumstances, there is only one person I would probably never shoot: the one person that means more to me than life itself.

Anyone else may be subject to sudden termination if they pose a lethal threat to myself or that one person.

Unlikely as that is in most cases....
 
Surtr said:
I'm sure, they can't even keep track of their own inventories. It took them nearly 5 years to simply discover they had what I'd estimate to be about 450,000 dollars of guns and computers missing from inventory. Not sure if they even found one culprit. It's an incompetent agency, I don't understand how they still exist.
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I don't understand it either. The field agents have to follow orders, which means they can only be as good as their superiors allow them to be, unfortunately their superiors tend to be imbiciles.
 
wolfman24 said:
What I think is disgusting is the idea that some people think it is OK to shoot other people who are not doing anything to harm them, just because.

How do they justify that. By what right and how does the coincide with their relgious beliefs?

Crazy just plain crazy
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If someone is trying to harm you physically or using threat of force to;
1) Take your property
2) Relieve you of your rights
3) Compel you to go against your values
4) Control you
Then they are harming you, it matters not whether it is a standard criminal, unruly mob, or an out of control tyranny. No one is advocating shooting anyone in particular nor anytime certain but rather if hands were ever forced.
 
haymarket said:
If any buttwipes tried to use violence take over the elected government of the American people, they deserve what they get. And if that means being shot down like rabid gods in the streets - so be it.
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Bwahaahaa!
 
It might be helpful if you gave a scenario and not just a vague question. My answer would be never say never...not if the situation warranted it.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
I would never shoot my own citizens.
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Small gang of 6 people kick in your front door with evil intent. Your 'own citizens'. What is your play exactly?
 
Goshin said:
A lot of people won't get what you're saying, but I do.

I would say the same. Given the right (or to put it another way, terribly horribly wrong) circumstances, there is only one person I would probably never shoot: the one person that means more to me than life itself.

Anyone else may be subject to sudden termination if they pose a lethal threat to myself or that one person.

Unlikely as that is in most cases....
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Lord have mercy, I like the way that you think!

If something like this ever happens, the troops will shoot citizens.
Happens too frequently with friendlies and US troops in history.

Also, sadly, 85% of our population will do exactly what they are told to do without asking questions.

Only 10% will think about trying attempting to think on their own, but only if they don't get into trouble.

The remaining 5% of us will recognize that we are the masters of our own destiny, and depend upon nobody else for help, as they probably could not be trusted anyway.
 
Depends on the context of the situation, the specifics really decide it all.

What if this side that's rising up against this "tyrannical American government" just has an extremely warped viewpoint and are willing to achieve this by all means necessary? Things go differently.
 
VanceMack said:
Small gang of 6 people kick in your front door with evil intent. Your 'own citizens'. What is your play exactly?
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In that scenario I'd fire five warning shots, the sixth man can decide if he wants to continue the aggression, surrender and wait for authorities, or join his buddies in a nice long dirt nap.
 
Wake said:
This thread topic stems from the conversations gathered in the thread at the bottom of this post.

Basically it's about civillians taking up arms against the government should the government start becoming tyrannical.

Somewhere along the way in that thread, it was mentiond that the U.S. military could squash any sort of rebellion. Mow them down.

So I gots a question. If God forbid you're a soldier and you're ever ordered by your leaders to shoot fellow Americans, would you?

Likewise, if you were a soldier, or even if you're a civillians, if you were given that sort of order as a soldier, what would you do?

I'm asking this question 'cause I want to have some sense of security, knowing that our American soldiers won't be turned against us.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/gun-control/138913-guns-revolution-not-real-real.html#post1061002943
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I've pondered this many times, and the conclusion I keep coming to is that most people would... even if it goes against everything they believe and believe that they wouldn't. I base this conclusion primarily on history and human nature. Most people are followers, not leaders, and not anywhere near independent as they think they are, and will ultimately do as they're told, regardless the "authority".
 
wolfman24 said:
I surely hope you are kidding. Otherwise????????
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I thought that this was sooo over the top that everybody would see it as sarcastic. I got dinged so apparently not.
 
Bodhisattva said:
I thought that this was sooo over the top that everybody would see it as sarcastic. I got dinged so apparently not.
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I do not know what your poltics are and i really don't care but there are just too many people on this board who take liberties with thier mouth. I am not necessarily refering to you but what I mean by that is that I do not see any reason or justification for a person to even comment in passing that they would be willing to hurt or kill someone for no apparent reason other than they don't like them or that they disagree with them.
They may think this is funny I do not and apparently I am not alone.

In my professional career I have been shot at, received death threats and had guns pointed in my face by "law abiding citizens" who believed their rights supperceded mine or anyone elses. This is utter bull**** in the extreme.

If you feel I am picking on you or I am ranting I apologize but its getting out of hand and needs to be stopped damn quick.
 
wolfman24 said:
I do not know what your poltics are and i really don't care but there are just too many people on this board who take liberties with thier mouth. I am not necessarily refering to you but what I mean by that is that I do not see any reason or justification for a person to even comment in passing that they would be willing to hurt or kill someone for no apparent reason other than they don't like them or that they disagree with them.
They may think this is funny I do not and apparently I am not alone.

In my professional career I have been shot at, received death threats and had guns pointed in my face by "law abiding citizens" who believed their rights supperceded mine or anyone elses. This is utter bull**** in the extreme.

If you feel I am picking on you or I am ranting I apologize but its getting out of hand and needs to be stopped damn quick.
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My politics is sarcasm... that's it.

I have had a gun pulled on me twice and shot at once and recieved two death threats from gang members. I still make jokes.

That is just who I am. *shrugs*
 
Bodhisattva said:
My politics is sarcasm... that's it.

I have had a gun pulled on me twice and shot at once and recieved two death threats from gang members. I still make jokes.

That is just who I am. *shrugs*
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Yikes! Remind me not to stand to close to you! :lol:
 
ChrisL said:
Yikes! Remind me not to stand to close to you! :lol:
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It was when I worked in the gang infested East Bay Oakland/Richmond area by San Fran.

I live in the South Pacific now and the only thing that will hit you if you stand by me is sunshine and good looks. :)
 
well I am too old to be in the military so its a moot point. However, if there were incidents of civil unrest and looters were to say threaten my family, my home etc, yeah I would kill those engaged in depredation. I shot a mugger once-only my quick action of calling a paramedic and the fact that an ambulance was nearby (it was St Paddy's day and the EMS was expecting emergencies anyway) kept the mope I drilled from dying.

I believe citizens have a duty to be well trained in arms and use them against criminals or other scum
 
Bodhisattva said:
My politics is sarcasm... that's it.

I have had a gun pulled on me twice and shot at once and recieved two death threats from gang members. I still make jokes.

That is just who I am. *shrugs*
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Ok got it. Thanks
 
I've never been in the military and do not own a gun, but if I did and someone was going to attack me or my family, I would definitely shoot them. Right now, all I have is knives, and I would use those too. I want to get a gun someday though. I used to target shoot with my father when I was young, and it was fun.
 
Wake said:
This thread topic stems from the conversations gathered in the thread at the bottom of this post.

Basically it's about civillians taking up arms against the government should the government start becoming tyrannical.

Somewhere along the way in that thread, it was mentiond that the U.S. military could squash any sort of rebellion. Mow them down.

So I gots a question. If God forbid you're a soldier and you're ever ordered by your leaders to shoot fellow Americans, would you?

Likewise, if you were a soldier, or even if you're a civillians, if you were given that sort of order as a soldier, what would you do?

I'm asking this question 'cause I want to have some sense of security, knowing that our American soldiers won't be turned against us.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/gun-control/138913-guns-revolution-not-real-real.html#post1061002943
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I don't know. It would depend. I have a pretty strong moral stance on killing and even though I don't think most soldiers are morally wrong for their actions, I don't know if I would be able to justify it. I really can't imagine myself ever being a soldier.
 
Jerry-
Interesting, first you spin the Kent State shootings then claim you never would obey an order to shoot students 'threatening violence'- fair enough I guess but neither you or Sutr speak for every swinging Richard or bouncing Renee's in the military.

Fact is the military has shot UN-armed civilians and confiscated personally owned weapons, both cases I cited were done by the National Guard.

TD- while you are drifting off topic to bring shooting a mugger into this, I would have thought someone so expert in pistol comps would be trained enough to shoot a mugger said mugger would be DRT. I suppose this shows that even 'well trained' civilians can choke when you have to look another human being in the face and end his life. Bit more of a stress monkey climbing your back when you are no longer on a one-way range...
 
notquiteright said:
Jerry-
Interesting, first you spin the Kent State shootings then claim you never would obey an order to shoot students 'threatening violence'- fair enough I guess but neither you or Sutr speak for every swinging Richard or bouncing Renee's in the military.

Fact is the military has shot UN-armed civilians and confiscated personally owned weapons, both cases I cited were done by the National Guard.

TD- while you are drifting off topic to bring shooting a mugger into this, I would have thought someone so expert in pistol comps would be trained enough to shoot a mugger said mugger would be DRT. I suppose this shows that even 'well trained' civilians can choke when you have to look another human being in the face and end his life. Bit more of a stress monkey climbing your back when you are no longer on a one-way range...
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I have no idea what you are babbling about. I suspect you wouldn't want to be in a gun fight with me. I see your posts and I see stuff that I laugh about. I see lots of talk and even more BS.
 
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