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Which type of judges would support human cloning?

Which type of judges would support human cloning?

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Pinkie said:
This is only because the Roman Catholic Church has made the preposterous argument that most stem cells are harvested from the products of abortion and therefore, women are getting abortions they otherwise would not in the interests of science. Not every "conservative" Justice buys this silliness, and I think it's unfair to suggest that conservatives, generally, are anti-science.
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I dont know the reason nor do I care...I made my decision based on what ive read and heard on the news...republicans are against stem cells for abortion reasons and liberals are for it...I thinks its more than just the catholic religion against it.....and I think generally conservative justices are more against it than for...and certainly more so that liberal judges...
 
lpast said:
I dont know the reason nor do I care...I made my decision based on what ive read and heard on the news...republicans are against stem cells for abortion reasons and liberals are for it...I thinks its more than just the catholic religion against it.....and I think generally conservative justices are more against it than for...and certainly more so that liberal judges...
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Yes, many joined the RCC on the "O! Noes! Abortions are bad so stem cell research must be halted!" bandwagon. Bush II, among others.

But I wouldn't described most conservatives as anti-science, and I doubt stem cells will be a key to human cloning.
 
Scientific and medical issues should be decided based on the scientific and medical factors involved. For example, cloning animals like dolly showed that clones have potentially serious medical problems as a result of the cloning process and genetic material used. Full human cloning should be banned because of the high potential for harm to the clone and lack of potential medicals benefits even if it proves successful. What is most important is that such issues be examined with facts and logic, not fear and prejudice.
 
Klown said:
You dont need to pay puppets

You have to understand how the Corpocracy is set up and maintained

Look at ALL the US presidents that were allowed to run for the presidency especially since the end of WW2?

Havent you noticed how impotent your vote is every 4 years?
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rathi said:
Scientific and medical issues should be decided based on the scientific and medical factors involved. For example, cloning animals like dolly showed that clones have potentially serious medical problems as a result of the cloning process and genetic material used. Full human cloning should be banned because of the high potential for harm to the clone and lack of potential medicals benefits even if it proves successful. What is most important is that such issues be examined with facts and logic, not fear and prejudice.
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That is reactionary nonsense. "full human cloning" or reproductive cloning as it is properly known, is the right of every person. It is not the business of government to ban reproductive cloning, for what ultimately amount to superstitious reasons.
 
Rainman05 said:
My positions is that the supreme courts, including constitutional courts, should be appointed through popular vote by the people with a temporal tenure (so not for life... 1-4 years, you pick). The way it currently is, there is no doubt that you will have people appointed to the supreme court because of their political affiliations (Elena Kagan comes to mind).
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Hey, that's American politics for you. SCOTUS is not so much a court as a super legislature.

You idealism is well taken but I prefer to be realistic.
 
Pinkie said:
Yes, many joined the RCC on the "O! Noes! Abortions are bad so stem cell research must be halted!" bandwagon. Bush II, among others.

But I wouldn't described most conservatives as anti-science, and I doubt stem cells will be a key to human cloning.
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Why do you always try to put YOUR words in someones mouth....I never said anything like MOST conservatives are anti science nor did I say that stem cells were anything...I merely answered the thread question
 
lpast said:
Why do you always try to put YOUR words in someones mouth....I never said anything like MOST conservatives are anti science nor did I say that stem cells were anything...I merely answered the thread question
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I have no idea why you believe my post was nonresponsive, dear.

You said:

I dont know the reason nor do I care...I made my decision based on what ive read and heard on the news...republicans are against stem cells for abortion reasons and liberals are for it...I thinks its more than just the catholic religion against it.....and I think generally conservative justices are more against it than for...and certainly more so that liberal judges...
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And I disagree.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Hey, that's American politics for you. SCOTUS is not so much a court as a super legislature.

You idealism is well taken but I prefer to be realistic.
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All supreme courts and constitutional courts are in the same manner dude. The same principles are universal. the president or someone of such manner appoints the supreme court and the constitutional court judges. In the UK, it is the prime minister who does that.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Which sort of judges or Supreme Court justices would be more sympathetic to human cloning, stem cell research, or other sorts of bioethics issues? Liberal judges or conservative judges?

What do you all think?
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I don't think there's anything remotely conservative about human cloning. It's a serious possibility in the future.
 
rathi said:
Scientific and medical issues should be decided based on the scientific and medical factors involved. For example, cloning animals like dolly showed that clones have potentially serious medical problems as a result of the cloning process and genetic material used. Full human cloning should be banned because of the high potential for harm to the clone and lack of potential medicals benefits even if it proves successful. What is most important is that such issues be examined with facts and logic, not fear and prejudice.
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No, medical breakthroughs present new medical ethics questions.

Ethics are not scientific matters nor could they be, but a person needs substantial scientific knowledge to opine on a question of medical ethics.
 
shiang said:
I don't think there's anything remotely conservative about human cloning. It's a serious possibility in the future.
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Agreed on both counts. What are your personal thoughts about the issue of human cloning?
 
If all your looking for is a better vegetable or cow thats one thing, but if you are looking for another Einstein or DiVinci that is quite another. The odds on reproducing an exact duplicate of any famous person are astronomical. They would have to have the same experiences and socialization and learning as the original. They would have to for lack of a better term be able to exactly duplicate the life of the original. that is almost impossible.
Some people also after watching to much TV that a clone starts out as a grown human. No it starts out as a baby like everyone else.

So the likely hood of this becoming a driving force in society is imho remote.
 
shiang said:
I don't think there's anything remotely conservative about human cloning. It's a serious possibility in the future.
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I agree. I imagine the technology exists today and only ethical quandries are holding scientists back.

They can clone sheep, dogs, etc. One mammal is more or less like another, for this purpose, I would think.
 
Guy Incognito said:
That is reactionary nonsense. "full human cloning" or reproductive cloning as it is properly known, is the right of every person. It is not the business of government to ban reproductive cloning, for what ultimately amount to superstitious reasons.
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Current animal cloning methods have an unacceptably high rate of problems. It is unethical to deliberately create humans with a high probability of crippling defects. It is not a matter of superstition, it is valid medical ethics. Reproductive cloning should be banned until such a time at which it can performed with an acceptable risk of complications.
 
wolfman24 said:
If all your looking for is a better vegetable or cow thats one thing, but if you are looking for another Einstein or DiVinci that is quite another. The odds on reproducing an exact duplicate of any famous person are astronomical. They would have to have the same experiences and socialization and learning as the original. They would have to for lack of a better term be able to exactly duplicate the life of the original. that is almost impossible.
Some people also after watching to much TV that a clone starts out as a grown human. No it starts out as a baby like everyone else.

So the likely hood of this becoming a driving force in society is imho remote.
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Even one known human clone would blow most people's minds, and doubtless somewhere, there's an egomaniac with the money to buy himself a duplicate.
 
rathi said:
Current animal cloning methods have an unacceptably high rate of problems. It is unethical to deliberately create humans with a high probability of crippling defects. It is not a matter of superstition, it is valid medical ethics. Reproductive cloning should be banned until such a time at which it can performed with an acceptable risk of complications.
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No argument here, but that just postpones the inevitable. Sooner or later, we'll be faced with this issue.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Agreed on both counts. What are your personal thoughts about the issue of human cloning?
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I mean I can see potential problems obviously and there's no really dire need as of now so I don't think it'll be legal anytime in the immediate future. Scientifically I think we're nowhere near ready and we don't understand it well enough. For example we know the 4 compounds of the double helix determine the properties of cells but we don't have a clue why and how.

However I also don't think human cloning would necessarily mean an apocalypse either. Probably won't be too different from making a twin. Would be rather cool if we can clone famous people like Albert Einstein.

Mixed feelings, but if you read my leaning it's progressive. Anything is open to debate for me so long there's good reasoning.

One potential problem I do see is people might want to seek sudo "immortality" and instead wind up hindering advancing generations.

On a similar note I've thought of genetic engineering of humans, to make people smarter, stronger, better looking ect. Kind of like how we engineer our food these days. The bigger idea is we can design smarter people and they in turn are smarter so will be able to design even smarter people. Then again how smart and powerful do humans need to be and is that a good thing?

I think the zombie movies are a little blown out of proportion. We haven't exactly made zombie plants and we've genetically engineered a lot of things.

Another interesting and controversial topic.
 
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Pinkie said:
I have no idea why you believe my post was nonresponsive, dear.

You said:

ng to her :)
And I disagree.
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You always make statements that arent about the topic to enable you to talk to yourself you obviously like that....and you can disagree thats fine thats what these threads are for....they arent for putting your words in someone elses mouth to enable you to be noticed....make your fonts bigger and brighter pink...:) that might work...Oh and my wife just said to tell you that you need to go find your own dear if you can...
 
As for what "type" of judges would support cloning - depends entirely on the "pressing" issue that it came to the court wrapped in. What dire straight was ginned up to get the camel's nose under the tent.

By the way, human cloning isn't just one issue, but a never-ending sack of issues.
 
Pinkie said:
No argument here, but that just postpones the inevitable. Sooner or later, we'll be faced with this issue.
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That postponement could end up being extremely long. Its very hard to iron out the bugs of human cloning if ethical restrictions on human testing prevent standard research techniques.
 
rathi said:
That postponement could end up being extremely long. Its very hard to iron out the bugs of human cloning if ethical restrictions on human testing prevent standard research techniques.
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Think globally. Do you honestly believe that if it can be done, no one anywhere with the requisite skills will do it? You already know, many freaks with the requisite dough will pay for it.

Hell, since all testing on humans of this sort is unethical, it'll probably be the rouge human clone we learn from.
 
I mean socially we're having problem with funding stem cell research. Human cloning is a few steps up the ladder.
 
Pinkie said:
Even one known human clone would blow most people's minds, and doubtless somewhere, there's an egomaniac with the money to buy himself a duplicate.
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But again it would not be a duplicate of him in the sense most people think about it. It would just have the same features and base characteristics of him. For a trigillionaire to be able to reproduce himself would mean he would have to recreate every instance of his life which means time travel backwards which is physically impossible.
 
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