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Is Homework Detention necessary?

Is homework detention necessary

  • yes

    Votes: 14 66.7%
  • no

    Votes: 7 33.3%

  • Total voters
    21
If you haven't heard or don't know what Homework Detention is, it's a form of discipline that penalizes students who don't do their homework.

I've been to one school that did this, I just want to say that it was very overused and very harsh. Teachers would give you homework detention for missing ONE homework assignment. It was like being punished for missing one day of swimming class.

The schools that do this needs to get back to reality. It's okay to punish students who don't do their homework, but have to give them detention for missing one assignment just proves that you are desperate. Homework isn't really that important. At the school I'm at now, the teachers are not even uptight about such an obsessive assignment. They're not even going to ask or keep you after school.

Is homework detention necessary?

I graduated from High School with a 1.62 GPA. Only because I didn't do my homework. I aced my tests. I placed in the 95%+ on the standardized testing.

The whole idea is supposed to be about learning the material.

The very idea that there should be punishment for solely not doing homework just does not compute in my brain. Even the idea of punishing a kid for not learning something, just does not compute. As if punishing them is going to make them comply.
 
Yes, homework for vocabulary words and things like that is fine, but when the kids are given homework from every class and have to work for 2-3 hours a day on homework on top of what they did in school, I think they just get discouraged and burned out.

Then they'll never make it through college.

Homework isn't supposed to be about having fun. It's about learning, retention, and application.

Analyze why it's taking 2-3 hours. If it's because they're struggling, help them. If it's just because the load is high, help them figure out a way to balance the load. But telling them, "Awh, that's too much. Don't you worry about that homework, son."...that teaches them a terrible lesson about work ethic, responsibility, and meeting the expectations of their "superiors".
 
So make the children work harder and longer for the failures of the school system? I don't know anything about home schooling. I went to public school and hardly ever did my homework. I had a 3.8 gradepoint average in college though. Go figure.

There is a reason why so many homeschoolers in my state are now taking college courses as dual-credit students. There are so many curricula that focus on what matters, and with focus, students do learn. And my community is experimenting with another solution to the problem that Tessaesque identified: Measurably, American students are humiliatingly behind in contrast to other civilized countries' measurable academic ratings. This high school has to be applied to, and it targets the ambitious, industrious, and at-risk. So far (third year) it's working. But it does require a mature classroom attitude and real work, including homework.
 
If you haven't heard or don't know what Homework Detention is, it's a form of discipline that penalizes students who don't do their homework.

I've been to one school that did this, I just want to say that it was very overused and very harsh. Teachers would give you homework detention for missing ONE homework assignment. It was like being punished for missing one day of swimming class.

The schools that do this needs to get back to reality. It's okay to punish students who don't do their homework, but have to give them detention for missing one assignment just proves that you are desperate. Homework isn't really that important. At the school I'm at now, the teachers are not even uptight about such an obsessive assignment. They're not even going to ask or keep you after school.

Is homework detention necessary?
Maybe not if a student misses one homework assignment, but I think it is absolutely necessary for kids who cannot seem to motivate themselves to do it.

Homework is not just about learning the material, it's also about teaching kids how to be good workers. A child who doesn't do his homework is also more likely to slack off at a job, procrastinate important assignments, take longer to do more important work, and address it in a less thoughtful way.
 
Then they'll never make it through college.

Homework isn't supposed to be about having fun. It's about learning, retention, and application.

Analyze why it's taking 2-3 hours. If it's because they're struggling, help them. If it's just because the load is high, help them figure out a way to balance the load. But telling them, "Awh, that's too much. Don't you worry about that homework, son."...that teaches them a terrible lesson about work ethic, responsibility, and meeting the expectations of their "superiors".

That's not true at all. I hardly ever did my homework. I was a horrible high school student, but I did great in college. Besides, I never told my son not to do his homework or expressed that to him. There are much more effective ways to teach responsibility than homework.
 
Then they'll never make it through college.

Homework isn't supposed to be about having fun. It's about learning, retention, and application.

Analyze why it's taking 2-3 hours. If it's because they're struggling, help them. If it's just because the load is high, help them figure out a way to balance the load. But telling them, "Awh, that's too much. Don't you worry about that homework, son."...that teaches them a terrible lesson about work ethic, responsibility, and meeting the expectations of their "superiors".

And that's the thing, whether the student is college or workforce-bound: Life isn't Burger King, and you are going to have to do work that you don't always like or think is important. You are going to have to acquire life-skills such as time management so that you can both work and play.
 
When a decent performing student sees a very under-performing and disruptive student get passed on to the next grade just as they are, what motivation do they have?

Young kids are never going to grasp what it means for their future. All they know is the kid screwing around achieved the same thing they did. That is the lesson they learn.

FFS we have kids graduating who can barely read. All because as a society we don't want to hurt their feelings.
 
Homework is not an equivalent of Work/work.

At work, I'm given a great deal of independence to accomplish what needs to be done, in the most efficient way possible.
At school, I'm only allowed to do it, in the least efficient way I can, by doing mindless and repetitive crap, I don't need to do.
I see. So school systems should be molded around the philosophy behind your job.

That makes perfect sense.
 
I see. So school systems should be molded around the philosophy behind your job.

That makes perfect sense.

Well my job isn't modeled around the school system, so the comparison you made failed.
Sorry, homework is not equal to paid work.

The fact is, school doesn't prepare you for the work world, beyond basic reading and math.
 
That's not true at all. I hardly ever did my homework. I was a horrible high school student, but I did great in college. Besides, I never told my son not to do his homework or expressed that to him. There are much more effective ways to teach responsibility than homework.

I never had to study in high school. I did all the homework assignments, but before tests I never cracked a book or did a study guide. Never created a notes sheet when they were allowed. I graduated 3 people outside of the top 10 in a class of almost 900, had an awesome SAT score, and got offered a 75% tuition scholarship to Baylor.

I ended up at a community college due to finances and had a government professor who took her job so seriously that I almost flunked. Her tests were not about rote memorization or recalling facts from the text. You had to be able to make higher-level connections, draw conclusions, and analyze potential outcomes to pass her tests. And so for the first time in my life I had to study.

I had no clue what to do. None. I'd never gone to a study group, never tried to really do research, nothing. I had to go to a work shop on how to study, and only gained marginal skills by the time the semester ended, barely pulling out a B in a class I damn sure could have made an A in.

So my anecdotal evidence probably means jack squat to you, right? Don't take offense to this, but yours doesn't mean much more to me. Statistically speaking, students who do the homework do better overall, on tests, in regards to behavior, and in general in the schooling environment. Just because we have a few rebel flukes here on the boards who managed success without trying doesn't negate that the statistical swing goes the other way.
 
Every child learns differently, and at a different pace in different areas. Yet almost everyone is forced to 'learn' the same way.
 
This is not necessarily true. I am the only person in my family with a college degree, let alone advanced degrees. My father was a high school drop out, my mother graduated high school.

No, of course, it's not necessarily true. I've known many, many folks who were the first in their families to finish high school, much less college, much less advanced degrees.

But what is true is that American students are measurably not learning what previous Americans took for granted--the "three R's." What has changed? All my life, just about everybody I ever met who finished 8th grade had these three basics down better than kids today.

Take a look at the number of "developmental" courses that colleges must offer. Why? Because the same "Not-my-little-Johnnie!" helicopter parents who demand that "accommodations" be made allow their kids to not do math homework, knowing that the kid will still be given a 50 and through other credits graduate. Then they're enraged when the kid can't take a college math course for credit, sometimes over and over, LOL.
 
I never had to study in high school. I did all the homework assignments, but before tests I never cracked a book or did a study guide. Never created a notes sheet when they were allowed. I graduated 3 people outside of the top 10 in a class of almost 900, had an awesome SAT score, and got offered a 75% tuition scholarship to Baylor.

I ended up at a community college due to finances and had a government professor who took her job so seriously that I almost flunked. Her tests were not about rote memorization or recalling facts from the text. You had to be able to make higher-level connections, draw conclusions, and analyze potential outcomes to pass her tests. And so for the first time in my life I had to study.

I had no clue what to do. None. I'd never gone to a study group, never tried to really do research, nothing. I had to go to a work shop on how to study, and only gained marginal skills by the time the semester ended, barely pulling out a B in a class I damn sure could have made an A in.

So my anecdotal evidence probably means jack squat to you, right? Don't take offense to this, but yours doesn't mean much more to me. Statistically speaking, students who do the homework do better overall, on tests, in regards to behavior, and in general in the schooling environment. Just because we have a few rebel flukes here on the boards to managed success without trying doesn't negate that the statistical swing goes the other way.

Oh, I studied for tests and things. I don't really consider studying homework though because you usually know when there will be a test, so you don't have to do 2-3 hours of studying in one day on top of school. You can spread it out.

Anyhow, I have to go to work now, so see you all later! :)
 
I never had to study in high school. I did all the homework assignments, but before tests I never cracked a book or did a study guide. Never created a notes sheet when they were allowed. I graduated 3 people outside of the top 10 in a class of almost 900, had an awesome SAT score, and got offered a 75% tuition scholarship to Baylor.

I ended up at a community college due to finances and had a government professor who took her job so seriously that I almost flunked. Her tests were not about rote memorization or recalling facts from the text. You had to be able to make higher-level connections, draw conclusions, and analyze potential outcomes to pass her tests. And so for the first time in my life I had to study.

I had no clue what to do. None. I'd never gone to a study group, never tried to really do research, nothing. I had to go to a work shop on how to study, and only gained marginal skills by the time the semester ended, barely pulling out a B in a class I damn sure could have made an A in.

So my anecdotal evidence probably means jack squat to you, right? Don't take offense to this, but yours doesn't mean much more to me. Statistically speaking, students who do the homework do better overall, on tests, in regards to behavior, and in general in the schooling environment. Just because we have a few rebel flukes here on the boards who managed success without trying doesn't negate that the statistical swing goes the other way.

That just means that high school didn't prepare you for college. :shrug:
But guess what, you learned to overcome a new challenge.

Being a rebel isn't the point.
The point is that "going through the motions" isn't learning, it's mediocre, at best
 
I never had to study in high school. I did all the homework assignments, but before tests I never cracked a book or did a study guide. Never created a notes sheet when they were allowed. I graduated 3 people outside of the top 10 in a class of almost 900, had an awesome SAT score, and got offered a 75% tuition scholarship to Baylor.

I ended up at a community college due to finances and had a government professor who took her job so seriously that I almost flunked. Her tests were not about rote memorization or recalling facts from the text. You had to be able to make higher-level connections, draw conclusions, and analyze potential outcomes to pass her tests. And so for the first time in my life I had to study.

I had no clue what to do. None. I'd never gone to a study group, never tried to really do research, nothing. I had to go to a work shop on how to study, and only gained marginal skills by the time the semester ended, barely pulling out a B in a class I damn sure could have made an A in.

So my anecdotal evidence probably means jack squat to you, right? Don't take offense to this, but yours doesn't mean much more to me. Statistically speaking, students who do the homework do better overall, on tests, in regards to behavior, and in general in the schooling environment. Just because we have a few rebel flukes here on the boards who managed success without trying doesn't negate that the statistical swing goes the other way.

And yet we have horrible drop out rates, and kids who can barely read.

Kids don't learn much different when they are older than when they are younger. Try teaching a 4yr old their numbers for hours on end. It doesn't work. Its all about attention span. And its about rewarding teachers who can recognize that when a kid has lost attention and interest, no amount of pounding it in their head is going to work. Yet we don't reward those teachers, or hold them up as role models like we do in other professions. We average them in.

We only have this structure because of the lack of resources for public education. It is exactly why home schooled kids perform better.
 
That just means that high school didn't prepare you for college. :shrug:
But guess what, you learned to overcome a new challenge.

Being a rebel isn't the point.
The point is that "going through the motions" isn't learning, it's mediocre, at best

Then explain to me why statistically, children who do homework perform better than children who don't? Even today, when failing to turn in your homework cannot result in failing grades.
 
If you haven't heard or don't know what Homework Detention is, it's a form of discipline that penalizes students who don't do their homework.

I've been to one school that did this, I just want to say that it was very overused and very harsh. Teachers would give you homework detention for missing ONE homework assignment. It was like being punished for missing one day of swimming class.

The schools that do this needs to get back to reality. It's okay to punish students who don't do their homework, but have to give them detention for missing one assignment just proves that you are desperate. Homework isn't really that important. At the school I'm at now, the teachers are not even uptight about such an obsessive assignment. They're not even going to ask or keep you after school.

Is homework detention necessary?

I swear - you seriously have the most ****ed up school district there . . . .everything you've said about them makes them just seem worse and worse.

Homework detention? How ridiculous :roll: I'm with you on this.
 
Well my job isn't modeled around the school system, so the comparison you made failed.
Sorry, homework is not equal to paid work.

The fact is, school doesn't prepare you for the work world, beyond basic reading and math.

So identify the skills needed to prepare one for the world of work please.
 
Then explain to me why statistically, children who do homework perform better than children who don't? Even today, when failing to turn in your homework cannot result in failing grades.

Because the average kid, needs some amount of reinforcement, but all kids do not.
 
We do have a problem here.
IMO, its a "softness on education".
Already, many consider us to be a bunch of uncivilized illiterates.
Is this what we want ?
And, BTW, I am a near high school drop-out...minimal effort = minimal results , for life...
 
I swear - you seriously have the most ****ed up school district there . . . .everything you've said about them makes them just seem worse and worse.

Homework detention? How ridiculous :roll: I'm with you on this.
Why is it "ridiculous"?
 
And yet we have horrible drop out rates, and kids who can barely read.

Kids don't learn much different when they are older than when they are younger. Try teaching a toddler their numbers for hours on end. It doesn't work. Its all about attention span. And its about rewarding teachers who can recognize that when a kid has lost attention and interest, no amount of pounding it in their head is going to work. Yet we don't reward those teachers, or hold them up as role models like we do in other professions. We average them in.

The bolded statement is factually untrue and has been proven so by several behavioral studies.

I'm not arguing that we have a perfect system. In fact, I've pointed out several flaws in the system in this thread.

But, and please don't take this personally, Monday morning Quarterbacks tend to know exactly zilch about how children actually learn, or what methods will work best. They also tend to adopt this attitude that if the system is so terrible, that kids shouldn't be expected to perform well and can be excused for failing to meet their obligations as students.

As much as the system needs to be revamped, parents need an attitude check. If you want your kids to learn, and they're forced to learn in a broken system, then you have an obligation as their parent to teach them how to get the most of out what's available. That doesn't mean making excuses for them to avoid their work.
 
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