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Is Homework Detention necessary?

Is homework detention necessary

  • yes

    Votes: 14 66.7%

  • no

    Votes: 7 33.3%
  • Total voters
    21
And back to the OP, which isn't about the homework itself per se, should students who don't do the work assigned to them be punished?
 
nota bene said:
And back to the OP, which isn't about the homework itself per se, should students who don't do the work assigned to them be punished?
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Well, since I don't believe in homework, I would have to say no.
 
Joechilli said:
LOL, your kid must think your a rockstar, no homework yaay! Vin Diesel rules...

;)
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As a matter of fact, my kid does think I'm a rock star, but not because I hate homework as much as he does. :mrgreen:

Of course, if he doesn't have any homework I'm just as likely to put him to work on the house or yard, or else invite him join me in some amusing frivolity involving boxing gloves or rubber knives or padded escrima sticks, unless we go out and kill some local wildlife for supper or something.
 
Goshin said:
As a parent I'm opposed to it, and to homework in general.


The educational edifice already has my kid for over seven hours a day, if you can't teach him what you need to in those seven hours.... then maybe you can cut some of the fluff and BS out and streamline the more necessary things. After 7 hours in class, a teenager doesn't need to spend three hours at home doing homework and studying. Give their @#$# brain a rest already.
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Its one of the reasons my children will NEVER set foot in a public school for the purpose of education. I hire tutors and they are educated that way. They go to a public school part time for socialization purposes only. The public school curriculum is inferior and tedious.
 
ChrisL said:
Well, since I don't believe in homework, I would have to say no.
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Should college students have to do work outside of class, or should they simply be able to attend classes and "absorb" all the knowledge?
 
nota bene said:
The homework should be purposeful. Don't teachers have to create assignments that are measureably designed to meet the requirements of the measurement/assessment administrators and their "learning outcomes"?
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You could frickin' fool me if that is the case. Half the homework my kid brought home was BS, and half of it was stuff they apparently hadn't covered adequately in class.
 
nota bene said:
Should college students have to do work outside of class, or should they simply be able to attend classes and "absorb" all the knowledge?
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Homework is perfectly acceptable for college students. They are adults, not children.
 
marcus903 said:
If you haven't heard or don't know what Homework Detention is, it's a form of discipline that penalizes students who don't do their homework.

I've been to one school that did this, I just want to say that it was very overused and very harsh. Teachers would give you homework detention for missing ONE homework assignment. It was like being punished for missing one day of swimming class.

The schools that do this needs to get back to reality. It's okay to punish students who don't do their homework, but have to give them detention for missing one assignment just proves that you are desperate. Homework isn't really that important. At the school I'm at now, the teachers are not even uptight about such an obsessive assignment. They're not even going to ask or keep you after school.

Is homework detention necessary?
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School assignments should be treated like any assignment given at work. Homework Detention seems to be a good equivalent to a good chewing out by your boss. Why else do we go to school if not to prepare for adult life?
 
ChrisL said:
Homework is perfectly acceptable for college students. They are adults, not children.
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What is the purpose of homework? Is covering all material in class possible? A good thing?
 
There many lessons to be learned outside of the school classroom. Homework should be remedial in nature , if necessary, with availability of instructors. As it stands, my son has Chess Club, Cub Scouts, soccer and me 24/7 where he learns a great deal about life, self esteem and how to be self sufficient while enjoying his role in relationships.

Homework detention is onerous and unnecessary. It gives people a good reason for resentment and does not teach about responsibility.
 
Dooble said:
School assignments should be treated like any assignment given at work. Homework Detention seems to be a good equivalent to a good chewing out by your boss. Why else do we go to school if not to prepare for adult life?
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Homework is not an equivalent of Work/work.

At work, I'm given a great deal of independence to accomplish what needs to be done, in the most efficient way possible.
At school, I'm only allowed to do it, in the least efficient way I can, by doing mindless and repetitive crap, I don't need to do.
 
This thread is a shining example of why we're being absolutely stomped by the educational systems of most other developed countries.
 
ChrisL said:
Are you referring to college?
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No, I'm asking generally. Just read Connery's post and disagree that homework should necessarily only be remedial.
 
How much work do you expect children to do? Six to seven hours in school every weekday SHOULD be more than enough time to teach the necessary material. Socialization and play are also VERY important components in a child's development.

Should we make children work for 8-9 hours a day? Because that's what we are doing by giving them homework. When do they get to play and just be kids? And I don't think our "failures" have anything at all to do with homework. Give me a break! :roll:
 
tessaesque said:
This thread is a shining example of why we're being absolutely stomped by the educational systems of most other developed countries.
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Yes. Not sure whether we agree for the same reasons...but the facts of our shameful underperformance in comparison to other countries (in math, including North Korea) are out there.
 
ChrisL said:
How much work do you expect children to do? Six to seven hours in school every weekday SHOULD be more than enough time to teach the necessary material. Socialization and play are also VERY important components in a child's development.

Should we make children work for 8-9 hours a day? Because that's what we are doing by giving them homework. When do they get to play and just be kids? And I don't think our "failures" have anything at all to do with homework. Give me a break! :roll:
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I can say only that the students I know who are homeschooled generally spend half the time "in school" than their public school counterparts and yet are twice as prepared. Makes me think that just a whole lot of "socialization" and time-wasting goes on in schools, truthfully.
 
nota bene said:
I can say only that the students I know who are homeschooled generally spend half the time "in school" than their public school counterparts and yet are twice as prepared. Makes me think that just a whole lot of "socialization" and time-wasting goes on in schools, truthfully.
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So make the children work harder and longer for the failures of the school system? I don't know anything about home schooling. I went to public school and hardly ever did my homework. I had a 3.8 gradepoint average in college though. Go figure.
 
nota bene said:
Yes. Not sure whether we agree for the same reasons...but the facts of our shameful underperformance in comparison to other countries (in math, including North Korea) are out there.
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I think it's multifaceted, of course, but it primarily comes down to two things:

1. Poor methodology.
2. Lack of drive in students, caused by lack of concern from parents.

"My kid shouldn't have to do work outside of class" is not a valid argument, IMO. If the homework assigned is poorly constructed, or if the lessons are weak, I get the underlying point. I don't, however, agree that in a general sense homework should be disregarded. My homework was always valuable. Study plans for spelling and grammar, higher-end math applications, research papers, book analysis (not book REPORTS, mind you)...and while it was sometimes a pain in the ass to stay up studying 100+ vocabulary words, I can tell you it's made me infinitely more impressive to employers when I throw out those SAT words and use them properly.

So homework certainly has a place. If the lessons are not hard enough, if the class structure neglects the more advanced student, if there are other issues then by all means, address those issues. But it seems wholly counterproductive to me to sit around saying, "It's dumb, my kid won't do it, and they shouldn't be punished for not doing it" doesn't solve anything, and in the long run it hurts the kid just as much as a bad education.
 
I'm probably gonna get it for this one, but I think it would be much better for the kids education-wise if the boys and the girls were kept separate.
 
My school doesn't care if you don't do your homework, you get a zero and you fail.
 
tessaesque said:
2. Lack of drive in students, caused by lack of concern from parents.
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This is not necessarily true. I am the only person in my family with a college degree, let alone advanced degrees. My father was a high school drop out, my mother graduated high school.
 
tessaesque said:
I think it's multifaceted, of course, but it primarily comes down to two things:

1. Poor methodology.
2. Lack of drive in students, caused by lack of concern from parents.

"My kid shouldn't have to do work outside of class" is not a valid argument, IMO. If the homework assigned is poorly constructed, or if the lessons are weak, I get the underlying point. I don't, however, agree that in a general sense homework should be disregarded. My homework was always valuable. Study plans for spelling and grammar, higher-end math applications, research papers, book analysis (not book REPORTS, mind you)...and while it was sometimes a pain in the ass to stay up studying 100+ vocabulary words, I can tell you it's made me infinitely more impressive to employers when I throw out those SAT words and use them properly.

So homework certainly has a place. If the lessons are not hard enough, if the class structure neglects the more advanced student, if there are other issues then by all means, address those issues. But it seems wholly counterproductive to me to sit around saying, "It's dumb, my kid won't do it, and they shouldn't be punished for not doing it" doesn't solve anything, and in the long run it hurts the kid just as much as a bad education.
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Yes, homework for vocabulary words and things like that is fine, but when the kids are given homework from every class and have to work for 2-3 hours a day on homework on top of what they did in school, I think they just get discouraged and burned out.
 
ChrisL said:
I'm probably gonna get it for this one, but I think it would be much better for the kids education-wise if the boys and the girls were kept separate.
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There are potential benefits to this.

1. Children, especially young children, tend to retain more knowledge when their educator is the same sex as them.
2. Boys and girls tend to learn better using completely different methods. Boys are much more inclined to prefer active learning (movement) verses recitation, for example. Boys are also much more spatially oriented.

I would propose a completely different system that the one we currently employ, where most students end up in a class room on a random lottery. I think we should heightened our evaluation processes and utilize those processes to rank students by level of accomplishment, then divide them into classes by those levels. The students would never need to know what level they were at versus another student, but it would prevent the advanced kids from stagnating and the lowest performers from being lost in the shuffle, succeeding only through social promotion.
 
tessaesque said:
I think it's multifaceted, of course, but it primarily comes down to two things:

1. Poor methodology.
2. Lack of drive in students, caused by lack of concern from parents.

"My kid shouldn't have to do work outside of class" is not a valid argument, IMO. If the homework assigned is poorly constructed, or if the lessons are weak, I get the underlying point. I don't, however, agree that in a general sense homework should be disregarded. My homework was always valuable. Study plans for spelling and grammar, higher-end math applications, research papers, book analysis (not book REPORTS, mind you)...and while it was sometimes a pain in the ass to stay up studying 100+ vocabulary words, I can tell you it's made me infinitely more impressive to employers when I throw out those SAT words and use them properly.

So homework certainly has a place. If the lessons are not hard enough, if the class structure neglects the more advanced student, if there are other issues then by all means, address those issues. But it seems wholly counterproductive to me to sit around saying, "It's dumb, my kid won't do it, and they shouldn't be punished for not doing it" doesn't solve anything, and in the long run it hurts the kid just as much as a bad education.
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If you want academic excellence and the growth of knowledge in individuals, you have to tailor the education, to the student.
Rather than make the student fit in with the education model.
It's the primary problem with modern education.

Cram 30 kids, with 30 different abilities, in 1 class and you won't get great results.
 
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