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Obama and the african american constituency. [W:50]

Where does Obama's skin color rank in importance?

  • It ranks high among mexicans and asians

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How much do you think Obama being black influences the voting decision of the african american community and other minorities, and the white population of the USA.

I know it seems stupid that there are 2 threads in this regard... but I think my thread is more accurate and can provide a better outcome.

I dislike simple yes and no questions... I dislike absolutes. But we deal with what we can.
 
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I voted as follows:

It tips the balance for blacks (ofc, I am considering the entire black population. Educated blacks will consider Obama's skin color less in my opinion while the niggers in the ghettos, if they end up voting at all, will care nothing about the other issues. This applies to the remaining black population which is neither part of the intellectual elite or the slums of society).

It tips the balance for the latino community...

And it matters a great deal for whites. Why? because of all the "if you don't vote for Obama, you're a racist! RACIST! RACIST! And all that jazz.. spewed by the mentally bankrupt.
 
I voted as follows:

It tips the balance for blacks (ofc, I am considering the entire black population. Educated blacks will consider Obama's skin color less in my opinion while the niggers in the ghettos, if they end up voting at all, will care nothing about the other issues).

Wow :shock:
 
I voted as follows:

It tips the balance for blacks (ofc, I am considering the entire black population. Educated blacks will consider Obama's skin color less in my opinion while the niggers in the ghettos, if they end up voting at all, will care nothing about the other issues. This applies to the remaining black population which is neither part of the intellectual elite or the slums of society).

It tips the balance for the latino community...

And it matters a great deal for whites. Why? because of all the "if you don't vote for Obama, you're a racist! RACIST! RACIST! And all that jazz.. spewed by the mentally bankrupt.

Maybe people wouldn't think you're racist if you didn't make casual references to "niggers in the ghettos" as though you were just talking about what you had for lunch? Just a thought. :roll:
 
I think if he were white voter turnout would be lower and more independents would vote for him that's for sure. I also think he would have won Kentucky in 2008.
 
Maybe people wouldn't think you're racist if you didn't make casual references to "niggers in the ghettos" as though you were just talking about what you had for lunch? Just a thought. :roll:

you do understand that the fact that I clearly disassociated normal blacks from the niggers who do all sort of crimes and give blacks a bad name is actually a tribute to decent black people.

Also, I don't discuss my lunch.
 
you do understand that the fact that I clearly disassociated normal blacks from the niggers who do all sort of crimes and give blacks a bad name is actually a tribute to decent black people.

Also, I don't discuss my lunch.

This is racist as ****
 
you do understand that the fact that I clearly disassociated normal blacks from the niggers who do all sort of crimes and give blacks a bad name is actually a tribute to decent black people.

Also, I don't discuss my lunch.

Would you consider white street thugs that live in the ghetto to be niggers too?
 
Would you consider white street thugs that live in the ghetto to be niggers too?

I thought they fit the white trash description don't they?
 
you do understand that the fact that I clearly disassociated normal blacks from the niggers who do all sort of crimes and give blacks a bad name is actually a tribute to decent black people.

Also, I don't discuss my lunch.

Do you not have any shame in using the "N" word?
 
Why use separate words for them? The only difference is the skin color.

I guess you can use the same word if you want to. They both mean the same thing to my understanding. People who have rejected a proper lifestyle for a morally degrading one.

Do you not have any shame in using the "N" word?

No, I don't. Why should I?

It would be improper and shameful if I used it to define all black people. But I didn't, and I don't. Something you seem to ignore completely.
Tell me, are blacks who are educated and live a proper life the same as the blacks in the ghettos who deal drugs and can't talk proper English? Would you like the entire black community be judged by the actions of their lesser peers? Or would you prefer to disassociate the good blacks from the bad ones. Because I know I do. hence. You have blacks (african-americans) and niggers. Just like you have white people and white trash.

Now that I told you what I think, you tell me why I should be ashamed for using the word nigger. And give a good proper explanation.
 
It would be improper and shameful if I used it to define all black people. But I didn't, and I don't. Something you seem to ignore completely. Tell me, are blacks who are educated and live a proper life the same as the blacks in the ghettos who deal drugs and can't talk proper English? Would you like the entire black community be judged by the actions of their lesser peers? Or would you prefer to disassociate the good blacks from the bad ones. Because I know I do. hence. You have blacks (african-americans) and niggers. Just like you have white people and white trash.

Now that I told you what I think, you tell me why I should be ashamed for using the word nigger. And give a good proper explanation.

Because the word brings up a time when African-Americans were slaves, thought of as subhuman with no way of life and no rights, etc.

It is despicable. You should be ashamed.
 
Because the word brings up a time when African-Americans were slaves, thought of as subhuman with no way of life and no rights, etc.

It is despicable. You should be ashamed.

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That argument works only on the uneducated... by the uneducated.

If you would read like... 10 pages of world history... no more. 10 pages you would come to the shocking conclusion that slavery is the default status-quo. what I mean by that is that there has always been slavery in all civilizations from all over the world. Ofc, there were exceptions everywhere, but the default status-quo was slavery. Fortunately for the world, and this is beyond 10 pages, it was the Europeans who first ended slavery on a global level in the beginning of the XIXth century thanks to the colonial empires some European powers had. The USA was the last civilized country to end slavery in the mid XIXth century. Everywhere else that wasn't under western civilization rule, slavery continued. Like the inland parts of Africa, parts of Asia and the middle East. Certain south american countries had it...

If you want to nitpick, the most notable exception to the status quo in ancient times were the Greeks. More specifically, starting with Athens and its empire. Everywhere else there was slavery in one form or another (or some form of human ownership over other humans) but not in the greek world.

So your argument means nothing. Come up with another.
 
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That argument works only on the uneducated... by the uneducated.

If you would read like... 10 pages of world history... no more. 10 pages you would come to the shocking conclusion that slavery is the default status-quo. what I mean by that is that there has always been slavery in all civilizations from all over the world. Ofc, there were exceptions everywhere, but the default status-quo was slavery. Fortunately for the world, and this is beyond 10 pages, it was the Europeans who first ended slavery on a global level in the beginning of the XIXth century thanks to the colonial empires some European powers had. The USA was the last civilized country to end slavery in the mid XIXth century. Everywhere else that wasn't under western civilization rule, slavery continued. Like the inland parts of Africa, parts of Asia and the middle East. Certain south american countries had it...

If you want to nitpick, the most notable exception to the status quo in ancient times were the Greeks. More specifically, starting with Athens and its empire. Everywhere else there was slavery in one form or another (or some form of human ownership over other humans) but not in the greek world.

So your argument means nothing. Come up with another.

Absolutely none of this defends the use of the "N" word.
 
IMHO Obama's ethnicity only affects the election as follows:

- Causes conservative whites to THINK he only gets black votes because he's black forgetting or ignoring the fact that in contemporary America blacks vote almost exclusively democrat in elections where the only other candidate is a republican, no matter what that races of the candidates.

- Causes conservative whites to THINK he only gets white votes because of a phenomena called "white guilt", which suggests whites only vote for Obama out of a feeling of guilt about the historical treatment of blacks in America as some sort of expression of contrition.

- Creates a special feeling of pride among black voters but who's votes were in no way influenced by his race because they would have voted for any democrat with the same positions on the issues and other factors conserved by voters regardless of race. Because of the pride factor, if Election Day happens to be a day when a small number of blacks who are sick or affected by bad weather would be more likely vote anyway in order to participle in what they consider to be an historical election.

- A very small number of blacks who would otherwise not have been interested in politics register to vote possibly for the first time just to help him get elected. This number is exponentially offset by the high numbers of non-blacks who have bought into much of the unprecedented propaganda activities on the right intended to stop him from being elected and on deleted make sure it's just one term: the birther movement, the campaign to label him as a Muslim in the middle of the War on Teerror with radical Islam, the campaign to label him a socialist due to his too big to fail policies ignoring other Presidents with similar policies especially George W. Bush who was the first to bail out the mortgage, insurance and automobile industries but was NEVER called a socialist when he did it, causing some to question why the difference and could race be the true motive.

-Of the 1 to 5% of blacks who identify with the Republican Party, a percentage of that small percentage has been so offended by the propaganda activities of members of their own party, as a political statement of protest vote for Obama due to their disgust with the birther movement, Operation Chaos, the Shirley Sherrod smear campaign, the You Lie outburst in a joint session of Congress and the litany of double standards Obama has been held to because they believed it to be racially motivated against Obama because he's the first black POTUS.
 
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Because the word brings up a time when African-Americans were slaves, thought of as subhuman with no way of life and no rights, etc.

-I just told you that this has always been the case until Europeans ended it. And yet, your conclusion is:

Absolutely none of this defends the use of the "N" word.

You are hopeless. Will not listen to reason. Will provide no argumentation for your attitude and criticism for me except that it "hurts you feelings". It is surprising to me your inherent racism. You get offended by "the "N" word" yet not by white trash. You must be one of terminal lefties I hear so much about.
 
Now that I told you what I think, you tell me why I should be ashamed for using the word nigger. And give a good proper explanation.
Because the word is shaming in itself. That's what makes a racial slur; it's a term that includes the sociolinguistic implication of racial inferiority and hence using it is condescending and disrespectful to another race. My ethics, at least, would keep me from using racial slurs in reference to other races besides my own.
 
I voted as follows:

It tips the balance for blacks (ofc, I am considering the entire black population. Educated blacks will consider Obama's skin color less in my opinion while the niggers in the ghettos, if they end up voting at all, will care nothing about the other issues. This applies to the remaining black population which is neither part of the intellectual elite or the slums of society).

It tips the balance for the latino community...

And it matters a great deal for whites. Why? because of all the "if you don't vote for Obama, you're a racist! RACIST! RACIST! And all that jazz.. spewed by the mentally bankrupt.

Lolz.

56789.
 
Because the word brings up a time when African-Americans were slaves, thought of as subhuman with no way of life and no rights, etc.

-I just told you that this has always been the case until Europeans ended it. And yet, your conclusion is:



You are hopeless. Will not listen to reason. Will provide no argumentation for your attitude and criticism for me except that it "hurts you feelings". It is surprising to me your inherent racism. You get offended by "the "N" word" yet not by white trash. You must be one of terminal lefties I hear so much about.

I don't understand what you're saying. Using the "n" word is wrong. That's the end of it.

I don't get nearly offended by the term "white trash" as I do the "N" word, well, because the "white race" has felt nothing throughout history on anywhere near the same level as African-Americans or other ethnicities.
 
I don't understand what you're saying. Using the "n" word is wrong. That's the end of it.

I don't get nearly offended by the term "white trash" as I do the "N" word, well, because the "white race" has felt nothing throughout history on anywhere near the same level as African-Americans or other ethnicities.

Really? That's it. You sir are completely ignorant of history. Your entire personality in this regard is dictated by what you heard on TV. You will have a bright future in the media or in those soap operas where the requirement for people is to be automatons in regards to how they think and feel about things. You may think this untrue. You may think that indeed, you do know a lot of about a lot of things, especially history. But you don't. Otherwise, you would have never made that statement.

Because the word is shaming in itself. That's what makes a racial slur; it's a term that includes the sociolinguistic implication of racial inferiority and hence using it is condescending and disrespectful to another race. My ethics, at least, would keep me from using racial slurs in reference to other races besides my own.

did you read the rest of the posts in the context which it was used?
 
Really? That's it. You sir are completely ignorant of history. Your entire personality in this regard is dictated by what you heard on TV. You will have a bright future in the media or in those soap operas where the requirement for people is to be automatons in regards to how they think and feel about things. You may think this untrue. You may think that indeed, you do know a lot of about a lot of things, especially history. But you don't. Otherwise, you would have never made that statement.

You haven't presented anything but white supremacist babble.

I have a major in history. So, please tell me where I was wrong.

Would you like to know that slavery in America was one of the worst instances of slavery in all of the history of the world?

So, tell me, what has the "white race" endured that has been anywhere remotely close to what African-Americans and other ethnicities have endured in the United States?
 
did you read the rest of the posts in the context which it was used?
Nope, I just jumped into it. Well, I read one, since Hatuey quoted it. You were dividing african americans into "educated blacks" and "niggers in the ghettos". That one?

It doesn't make a difference. I wasn't necessarily condemning you using it, that's a question of personal ethics. I was just pointing out that words in any language represent ideas found in culture, and that racial slurs, as a category of words, imply racial inferiority, which is what makes them racial slurs. I mean, you can disagree, but that argument wouldn't be an argument over ethics, it would be an argument over linguistics, and possibly whether you're speaking the same language as the rest of us.
 
First off, culturally, Obama is a white as can be.

It may have a tiny influence on votes, but it won't make the tiniest difference between party line voters. To say there's are zero white supremacists or that being african american has no appeal to any blacks is being nieve.

But keep this in mind, I know of a former co-worker who's black and counts the fact that Obama is black against him (I'm sure the opposite case exist). In the end I think/hope most people vote on record/policy and the small percentage that votes on color probably comes close to balancing out.
 
I voted as follows:

It tips the balance for blacks (ofc, I am considering the entire black population. Educated blacks will consider Obama's skin color less in my opinion while the niggers in the ghettos, if they end up voting at all, will care nothing about the other issues. This applies to the remaining black population which is neither part of the intellectual elite or the slums of society).

It tips the balance for the latino community...

And it matters a great deal for whites. Why? because of all the "if you don't vote for Obama, you're a racist! RACIST! RACIST! And all that jazz.. spewed by the mentally bankrupt.

Hum wonder who this "Independent" votes for =P.
 
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