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Do you think most Blacks vote for Obama just because he black?

Do you think most Blacks vote for Obama just because he black?


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I watched a show the other day where where the Moderator went on the street and told Obama voters that Obama is Pro Life, against all abortions, and against equal rights for gays.........90% of them said they knew that already and were still going to vote for him so the question begs to be asked..........

Well hopeful those issues would not swing anyone. Damn ... who really votes for social issues for POTUS. Of course any patriotic American of either party should want equal rights under the law and abortion is a private social issue.

I cast my vote vote on resolute intellect, ability to make good decisions, temperament foreign policy, healthcare, protection of our rock and the people inhabiting it and how they have invested themselves in our country and their ability to represent "We the People".

That above is the short list!

I will never agree with anyone 100%.
 
I don't know....but since you're the one asking the question while proporting that the answer bares some major significants, why don't you spares us the agony and provide the answer and the source to support your claim.

its easily available if you really care
 
no, the obvious conclusion is that you can't draw much of a conclusion from the votes.... get it right
No, I've got it right. With 85% of blacks voting Democrat for white candidates, one can say with certainty that *most* blacks vote for the party, not the color of the skin of the candidates. Now if less than 50% of blacks typically voted Democrat but then 95% of blacks voted for Obama, then the OP might have a valid point. But alas, that is not the case.
 
Using the math I was taught my left wing friend 95% is considerably more.........

Using the math I was taught my left wing friend 95% is considerably more.........
Well then you should stay away from logic, because your poll didn't ask if more blacks are voting for Obama because he's black ... you asked if most blacks are voting for Obama because he's black.

Here's the logic which eludes you ... with only some 15% of blacks eligible to meet the requirements of your poll, it is not even possible for most blacks to vote for Obama because he's black since some 85% would be typically voting for the Democrat regardless of skin color.
 
Your position suggest to condemn the man for things he has not done. That's equivalent to accusing a man guilty before he's had a fair trail or as we use to say in the military "guilty before being presumed innocent".

You give him credit for alleged positions that he has never taken, and which are at odds with positions that he has expressed. You called him “pro-life”, when everything he has said on the subject of abortion is contrary to the position generally described by that term; and you called him “pro-gun rights”, when, again, everything that he is known to have said on the subject is contrary to that position as well.

As President, he hasn't directly taken any actions that are relevant to either of these issues. Your only basis for calling him “pro-gun rights” is that he hasn't participated in the enacting of any new gun control laws. Given the positions that he has clearly stated in the past, it's a safe bet that if a new gun control bill were to come across his desk, as President, he'd be more likely than not to sign it into law; and if a bill were to come across his desk to relax existing gun control laws, it is as likely that he would veto it.

Similarly, based on his past expressed opinions, it is likely that he'd sign a bill that removed legal restrictions against killing unborn children, and veto a bill that increased restrictions against doing so.
 
No just noting reality

Well the percentage of blacks who are receiving government help is extremely high compared to other groups and I think a third of black males have criminal records. When certain laws disproportionately help or hurt certain groups members of those groups tend to have higher or lower than favorable views of the laws. Its why many LEGAL hispanics are outraged with say the Arizona immigration laws: even though those laws don't apply to them, they see the laws as targeting people who are LIKE them

You think? It's people who "think" as you do that are the leading cause of racial discord in this country. You THINK bigoted stereotypes and/or racial thoughts and magically your thoughts become reality. :doh: Show current statistics to support your line of thinking and don't bring misdemeanor drugs charges into the equation. We all know the fallacy of Black men being arrested for possession of small amounts of marijuana -vs- crack rock. Blacks could use this same biasness to proport the number of White men arrested for meth and use it as justification to berate Whites.

So again, STOP WITH THE RACE BAITING!
 
You give him credit for alleged positions that he has never taken, and which are at odds with positions that he has expressed. You called him “pro-life”, when everything he has said on the subject of abortion is contrary to the position generally described by that term; and you called him “pro-gun rights”, when, again, everything that he is known to have said on the subject is contrary to that position as well.

As President, he hasn't directly taken any actions that are relevant to either of these issues. Your only basis for calling him “pro-gun rights” is that he hasn't participated in the enacting of any new gun control laws. Given the positions that he has clearly stated in the past, it's a safe bet that if a new gun control bill were to come across his desk, as President, he'd be more likely than not to sign it into law; and if a bill were to come across his desk to relax existing gun control laws, it is as likely that he would veto it.

Similarly, based on his past expressed opinions, it is likely that he'd sign a bill that removed legal restrictions against killing unborn children, and veto a bill that increased restrictions against doing so.

The President's position on gun control has more to do with limited access to semi-automatic weapons, i.e., assault riffles, particularly with people with mental health issues, than a direct ban on such weapons. But let's not let facts get in the way of truth.

As I said on the issue of partial-birth abortions, I'm not in favor of the practise, but I defer to the opinion of medical professionals on women's health to judge the soundness of implementing such practises.
 
what percentage of blacks are net tax payers vs those who are net tax consumers. I never said those suckling on the public teat wanted to do that in all cases or even a majority. But suckle they do and the last thing they care about is those of us who fund the public teat getting tax cuts or the government spending less on filling the teat they suckle from

I don't know....but since you're the one asking the question while proporting that the answer bares some major significants, why don't you spares us the agony and provide the answer and the source to support your claim.

its easily available if you really care

I don't, not because I'm concerned for what the answer might reveal but rather because I don't see the relevance of the question. Regardless of how much taxes Blacks pay or don't pay, it's still would not justify the premise that Blacks by virtue of using entitlement programs are the leading cause of the national debt or the deficit. Anyone who believes such really does not understand what expenditures comprise our national debt and above all are racist in general - PERIOD!
 
I don't, not because I'm concerned for what the answer might reveal but rather because I don't see the relevance of the question. Regardless of how much taxes Blacks pay or don't pay, it's still would not justify the premise that Blacks by virtue of using entitlement programs are the leading cause of the national debt or the deficit. Anyone who believes such really does not understand what expenditures comprise our national debt and above all are racist in general - PERIOD!


why do blacks vote 90% in favor of the party of entitlements?
 
why do blacks vote 90% in favor of the party of entitlements?

Hmmmm...is it possible that it has everything to do with racial diversity and inclusion as opposed to racial segregation and exclusion? Did you not see the RNC versus the DNC? Talk about an all-White canvass with a few dark specks sprinkled here and there versus the Rainbow Coalition in the 21th Century. Or was your television only capable of capturing the images in pure Black and White much as your eyes seem to?
 
Hmmmm...is it possible that it has everything to do with racial diversity and inclusion as opposed to racial segregation and exclusion? Did you not see the RNC versus the DNC? Talk about an all-White canvass with a few dark specks sprinkled here and there versus the Rainbow Coalition in the 21th Century. Or was your television only capable of capturing the images in pure Black and White much as your eyes seem to?

yes we know the dems have strict quotas as to who can be delegates.
 
What an idiotic, racist question. An overwhelming majority of blacks have voted for every Democratic presidential candidate for a long time, including white folks like John Kerry, Al Gore, and Bill Clinton. In fact, in the rare circumstances when there is a white Democrat and a black Republican on the ballot (e.g. the 2006 Maryland Senate race), most black voters have STILL backed the white Democrat.

Perhaps it's because they agree with the Democrats on the issues more. Or perhaps it's because the Republicans totally alienate them via moronic race-baiting like this thread. :shrug:

It's not a racist question. God's sake.

To answer the OP, yes, I think it is likely that many blacks voted for Obama just because he is black. And perhaps just as many voted against him for the same reason.

Edit: Speaking of the 2008 election . . .

In last year’s presidential election, younger blacks voted in greater proportions than whites for the first time and black women turned out at a higher rate than any other racial, ethnic and gender group, a census analysis released Monday confirmed.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/21/us/politics/21vote.html?_r=0
 
Everyone who disagrees with him is because they are a racist or a homophobe. That said I believe Obama carried every group with the exception of white males and you are right I am sure there are whites from the south who voted against him because he is black.

If you take the word of the media you would think he was loved by all in 2008.
 
It's not a racist question. God's sake.

It most certainly is. The idea that most blacks vote for Obama "just because he's black" is retarded, considering that most black voters are life-long Democrats. It's not like Obama's margin of victory among black voters in 2008 was totally out of line with what one would expect a Democrat to win, who won the electorate as a whole by 7%. The idea that "most blacks" voted for him because he's black has a very nasty, racist subtext to it: The idea that black voters are a hive-mind who can't see anything other than race and can't think critically for themselves. Also note the judgmental "just" in the poll question, which implies that black voters' reasons for voting for Obama are less valid than the OP's reasons for voting for whoever he voted for.

To answer the OP, yes, I think it is likely that many blacks voted for Obama just because he is black. And perhaps just as many voted against him for the same reason.

You have no evidence to support this assertion. Among black voters in 2008, Obama ran 8 points ahead of John Kerry's 2004 vote share. Among ALL voters in 2008, Obama ran 5 points ahead of John Kerry's 2004 vote share. Hardly a wild divergence there.
 
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How you explain about the way blacks answered the questions on Obama's policies? It showed they knew nothing about Obama's stand on these issues and they voted for him any way?

If it was a white guy they would have said exactly the same thing. He is a Democrat, DUH!

What a dumb ass question.
 
Not sure but I saw about a half dozen be interviewed.
can only wonder how many were interviewed but not included in the video because they undermine the message of the video?
 
No, I've got it right. With 85% of blacks voting Democrat for white candidates, one can say with certainty that *most* blacks vote for the party, not the color of the skin of the candidates. Now if less than 50% of blacks typically voted Democrat but then 95% of blacks voted for Obama, then the OP might have a valid point. But alas, that is not the case.
No, you are wrong. You are assuming that the 35% out of the 85% of black people that voted democrat last time did so for the same reasons this time. You can't make that assumption, you don't know.
 
No, you are wrong. You are assuming that the 35% out of the 85% of black people that voted democrat last time did so for the same reasons this time. You can't make that assumption, you don't know.

yes he can because there are logical facts based on history and reality to make that assumption.

the opposite cant be said for anybody that falsely thinks most black people voted for obama only because he was black.
 
yes he can because there are logical facts based on history and reality to make that assumption.

the opposite cant be said for anybody that falsely thinks most black people voted for obama only because he was black.
You can't make that assumption... you don't know what their main reason was... even if they would of voted democrat anyway, you don't know if their main reason was because he was black or not.
 
You can't make that assumption... you don't know what their main reason was... even if they would of voted democrat anyway, you don't know if their main reason was because he was black or not.

LOL
like I said yes you most certainly can because there are logical facts supported by history and reality to support the assumption

now I admit its still an assumption but its a very logical one.

on the other hand however assuming differently is illogical

not sure what part you dont get
 
No, you are wrong. You are assuming that the 35% out of the 85% of black people that voted democrat last time did so for the same reasons this time. You can't make that assumption, you don't know.
Last post on this nonsense (argue with yourself if you don't like it) ...

Percentage of blacks who vote for Democrat presidential candidates:


1972: 82%
1976: 83%
1980: 85%
1984: 90%
1988: 86%
1992: 83%
1996: 84%
2000: 90%
2004: 88%
2008: 95%

Exit Polls - Election Results 2008 - The New York Times

Blacks vote Democrat in big numbers no matter what the skin color of the presidential candidate is. There is nothing to even suggest that trend, which dates back at least 40 years and possibly more but I could only find exit polls going back to 1972, would have been any different in 2008 had Obama not been nominated to run for president.
 
Last post on this nonsense (argue with yourself if you don't like it) ...

Percentage of blacks who vote for Democrat presidential candidates:


1972: 82%
1976: 83%
1980: 85%
1984: 90%
1988: 86%
1992: 83%
1996: 84%
2000: 90%
2004: 88%
2008: 95%

Exit Polls - Election Results 2008 - The New York Times

Blacks vote Democrat in big numbers no matter what the skin color of the presidential candidate is. There is nothing to even suggest that trend, which dates back at least 40 years and possibly more but I could only find exit polls going back to 1972, would have been any different in 2008 had Obama not been nominated to run for president.

I would like to point a few things out.

First off... black voter turnout increased when Obama ran for office. So the percentages remained in the same area of 90% pro democrat, but the number of people who voted pro-democrat increased when Obama ran for office. So.. yes... race has to play a factor. But in necessarily in how they vote, but rather, in how many vote.

In 2008: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/21/us/politics/21vote.html?_r=0

Just thought I would add this new dimension to the topic.
 
now I admit its still an assumption but its a very logical one.

My point is, you can't derive any viable information about this topic from the voting numbers except that race was at least a factor.
 
I would like to point a few things out.

First off... black voter turnout increased when Obama ran for office. So the percentages remained in the same area of 90% pro democrat, but the number of people who voted pro-democrat increased when Obama ran for office. So.. yes... race has to play a factor. But in necessarily in how they vote, but rather, in how many vote.

In 2008: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/21/us/politics/21vote.html?_r=0

Just thought I would add this new dimension to the topic.

that changes nothing LOL

it shows now evidence to support that MOST blacks voted for obama only because he was black :shrug:

only shows that he rallied the base of his party and independents

did you know that 41 percent of white men voted for obama?

Before Obama, no Democrat since Jimmy Carter had earned more than 38 percent of the white male vote. whats that mean? logically nothing besides he rallied his base and independents and americans period.
 
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