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Do you think most Blacks vote for Obama just because he black?

Do you think most Blacks vote for Obama just because he black?


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That is what I actually saw......How many were actually interviewed I do not know but 6 for 6 is 100% by my math.

Like I said in post #118, percentages can be very misleading. Raw numbers do matter and the numbers you just acknowledged as the basis for your poll amount to absolutely nothing. The sample is just too small to be taken seriously.

Six people...I mean, really Navy Pride? :roll:
 
I must agree with Navy to a certain extent. Although I would not include only Black voters in this. Sadly, I believe that MOST (yep, that's right ...... at least 50% + 1) voters today do not truly know the real issues at stake in an election. Most could not pass a detailed exam on their candidate's complete platform. It's unfortunate that most never take the time to do any real research and rely soley on thirty-second sound bytes put out by the drive-by media which are normally taken completely out of context. :shrug:

I definitely agree with that, I just don't think race is the motivating factor for most black Americans.
 
Its like a poll my left wing friend............You sample a cross section to get a figure.....To me it would seem that a few knew where he stood on policies....I guess that is just unbelieveable to you.........

Black Republicans lose the black vote overwhelmingly to white democrats. This tells me that race is not the motivating factor for most black voters. I don't see how you can claim that this survey proves that most black voters only vote for Obama based on his race.
 
Its like a poll my left wing friend............You sample a cross section to get a figure.....To me it would seem that a few knew where he stood on policies....I guess that is just unbelieveable to you.........
A poll is scientific and includes all respondents. What is scientific about questioning say 100 people, but then only releasing the results from half a dozen or so who make the point the reporter is trying to make?
 
A very small number of them that were interviewed voted for him even though they didn't agree with them on the issues. Do you think you can extrapolate that to most black voters?

You have to understand that in NP's racists views, the only intelligent people are the people white men and people that think that GWB was an economic genius.
 
Black Republicans lose the black vote overwhelmingly to white democrats. This tells me that race is not the motivating factor for most black voters. I don't see how you can claim that this survey proves that most black voters only vote for Obama based on his race.

Next...Navy will be claiming that the majority of women vote for Obama because he is black....LOL....
 
I watched a show the other day where where the Moderator went on the street and told Obama voters that Obama is Pro Life, against all abortions, and against equal rights for gays.........90% of them said they knew that already and were still going to vote for him so the question begs to be asked..........

several months ago I was talking to a black dude in the USAF, he said he didn't care how lousy a job Obama had done, he was still going to vote for him again because he is black. don't get it...maybe they blame his white half for the lousy job he is doing. if only his white half wasn't oppressing his black half, he'd be able to do a better job. Obama should pay himself reparations
 
all the people(if they arent already on it) that vote yes "that MOST blacks voted for obama simply because he was black" will very quickly and solidly earn a spot on the troll, hack, biased, dishonest, inane, illogical, uneducated and or bigot poster list.

just to retouch on this it makes me wish all of DP would vote and vote honestly, would make things a little easier
 
I watched a show the other day where where the Moderator went on the street and told Obama voters that Obama is Pro Life, against all abortions, and against equal rights for gays.........90% of them said they knew that already and were still going to vote for him so the question begs to be asked..........

Most blacks vote for Obama because he's a Democrat. Now do more blacks show up at the polls? Sure. Just like more Catholics show up for a Catholic canidate, more evangelicals show up for an evangelical canidate etc.
 
I imagine that just as many blacks will vote for Obama because he is black as there are whites who will not vote for him because he is black :shrug:

bottom line....stupid people should not vote.
 
Gore got 90% of the black vote
Kerry got 88% of the black vote
Obama got 95% of the black vote

So even taking these numbers.....the BEST that you could argue NP was that 5% of black voters voted for Obama because he was black and that you be if THAT were the reason for the extra 5%......it just points out how idiotic the poll question is.
 
No just noting reality

Well the percentage of blacks who are receiving government help is extremely high compared to other groups and I think a third of black males have criminal records. When certain laws disproportionately help or hurt certain groups members of those groups tend to have higher or lower than favorable views of the laws. Its why many LEGAL hispanics are outraged with say the Arizona immigration laws: even though those laws don't apply to them, they see the laws as targeting people who are LIKE them

acknowledging those facts is racist. Rather than pointing it out you have to point it how it is all whitey's fault. It is racist to hold people accountable for their actions.
 
It would be interesting to see an election where all you knew was only the candidates views on the issues. Take away the smear campaigns, negative ads, parties, ignorant biases and everything else. Just list candidate a and his views vs candidate b and his views with an explanation as to why they believe that is in the best interest of our country. And let more than 2 people have a chance. The majority of the people in this country vote for stupid reasons. This election will be no different. America is in a decline because of our voting process.
 
It would be interesting to see an election where all you knew was only the candidates views on the issues. Take away the smear campaigns, negative ads, parties, ignorant biases and everything else. Just list candidate a and his views vs candidate b and his views with an explanation as to why they believe that is in the best interest of our country. And let more than 2 people have a chance. The majority of the people in this country vote for stupid reasons. This election will be no different. America is in a decline because of our voting process.

add voting history, and bill/legislation authoring to the list etc and im in

I agree that the GAME of politics is majorly hurting us
 
why do blacks vote 90% in favor of the party of entitlements?

Coincidental. Why do blacks vote 90% in favor of the party that favors gay marriage? Most blacks actually oppose gay marriage. Why do blacks vote 90% in favor of the party that favors not reforming Social Security when the average life expectancy of black men means many will never live long enough to benefit from the program they've paid into all their lives? Why do blacks vote 90% in favor of the party that favors the public school system over school choice when black children would benefit from it more than anyone?
 
acknowledging those facts is racist. Rather than pointing it out you have to point it how it is all whitey's fault. It is racist to hold people accountable for their actions.

which facts are you referring too, i see lots of his opinion and or guessing.

again its not even i disagree or agree with those assumptions or think they are drastically far off one way or another but he didnt state "facts" nor did his statement answer what i asked him (per me and his conversation), he actually never answered it. even though i asked multiple times
 
Hold your water my left wing friend....I called no one stupid.....My point is the blacks voted for him even though they agreed on zero issues..........I wonder why that was?

Do the non-black Democrats seem to base their decisions on more sensible things? Take your memory pill, NP, I'm hardly left-wing.
 
I disagree, entitlements is a major reason. that and the fact that the dems push stuff like affirmative action and easier sentencing of criminals

What it is NP, is that the Dems have been more successfully linked to Civil Rights than the GOP in recent years. Civil Rights are of particular concern to minorities.
 
What it is NP, is that the Dems have been more successfully linked to Civil Rights than the GOP in recent years. Civil Rights are of particular concern to minorities.

BINGO! Then what followed was the Civil Rights leadership who have understandably come to be idolized segued into new careers as Democrat politicians. Today its at a place where for blacks voting democrat is an act of patriotism.

FYI: For those interested in seeing more blacks identify with the GOP there are two paths, as I see it. Most of my black friends who are republican have had one or both of these two factors play an important role in their lives.

1. Being involved in a Church where nothing mattered more than figuring out what God wants as communicated in the Bible and pursuing that agenda, which spills over into political ideology chiefly on the social issues.

2. Being involved in the US Military. I'm not in the military so I cannot offer an explanation as to why but from what I've seen blacks who join the military have a greatly likelihood of eventually switching to the GOP than other black Americans especially those who stay in longer. Not a guarantee, simply a greater likelihood.

What doesn't work IMHO and actually drives black support in the direction of the Democrats even more are:

-Dismissing or even defining as a negative thing, black history and heritage instead of celebrating it.
-Pandering messages to black constituents that are obviously not in line with the mainstream GOP agenda/ideology. Obvious efforts to manipulate through deceit.
-Showing insensitivity toward hard working accomplished blacks by insinuating any black who has achieved success got there due to racial preferences.
-Insulting hard working blacks by insinuating blacks are addicted to the welfare state ignoring facts like black women more than any other female group in America as more likely to own their own business and rank among some of the highest percentages in the country of people with college degrees.
-Saying dumb things on the campaign stump like the days of slavery were better times in America for blacks because everybody had a job, etc.
-Failure to understand that for many black Americans, Obama's administration represents something far more important than policy disagreements, that in most cases were done by Republicans first anyway where few complained: Bush bailouts, Romneycare, Reagan's and Bush's deficit spending, etc. Because of this its often seen as just an unexplained double-standard driven by a passionate movement to see him fail and not based in principle or Romneycare and Reagan's push to raise the debt ceiling should have been opposed too. Because of the special importance Obama represents to blacks it might be a good idea to wait until he's out of office before intense outreach efforts are undertaken to win blacks over to the GOP.
 
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I watched a show the other day where where the Moderator went on the street and told Obama voters that Obama is Pro Life, against all abortions, and against equal rights for gays.........90% of them said they knew that already and were still going to vote for him so the question begs to be asked..........

Simple.

For a large variety of reasons I've gone into elsewhere...some practical in nature some marketing in nature...blacks tend to overwhelmingly vote Democratic

Obama is Democratic

Therefore they'd vote for Obama.

Even if you told them Obama held "x, y, z" views the general electorate don't actually have a huge grasp of specific issues or policies but a generalized stereotype of "democrat" and "republican" and what would matter is he's got a (D) next to his name. While there is undoubtably some that voted for him simply because he's black (and vise versa), the majority likely voted for him for the same reason they'd cast their vote for a old crusty white guy with the (D) next to their name.
 
Nope, especially given the equally disproportionate margin by which Gore, Kerry, Clinton and others have won the black vote in recent memory.

Don't forget that Clinton was our first black president.

Clinton as the First Black President

African-American men seemed to understand it right away. Years ago, in the middle of the Whitewater investigation, one heard the first murmurs: white skin notwithstanding, this is our first black President. Blacker than any actual black person who could ever be elected in our children's lifetime. After all, Clinton displays almost every trope of blackness: single-parent household, born poor, working-class, saxophone-playing, McDonald's-and-junk-food-loving boy from Arkansas.
 
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