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Helping the Needy and the Poor

Where do you draw the line? Who would you help? You can choose more than one


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Welfare state encourages lazyness.
 
Personally, I try to help anyone who asks me no matter their circumstances. I keep dollar bills in my car just to hand them out to panhandlers. My friends think I'm kinda dumb to do that since the money will likely be used for something that's not good. What I choose to do with my money, though, is a very different question from what I believe the government should be doing with other people's money.

So you enjoy buying cigarettes,booze and other drugs for panhandlers and thus encourage those people to harass others for money. Good for you.
 
So you enjoy buying cigarettes,booze and other drugs for panhandlers and thus encourage those people to harass others for money. Good for you.

Don't forget prostitutes, some of the money may go there as well..oh and I also hand out Lowe's gift cards so that they can pick up some burglary tools.
 
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That is precisely correct. The current system punishes people for attempting to do better, making it almost impossible for people to increase their station in life. For those with kids, its' hard to justify harming them in order to maintain ones' pride. We trap people in poverty and then many blame them for remaining there.

which is why I think we need a Negative Income Tax, in order to ensure that you NEVER net lose disposable income by increasing ones' work-related income.

You might find this hard to believe or interesting, but I've read your proposal before and find it having a lot of merit. In the past, I've been a supporter of an extreme regressive tax system (not on food, though). However, I like your system, better.
 
That's not entirely accurate. Once you apply for SSI, you will receive an answer within 6 months. If accepted, not only will you start receiving benefits immediately, but you will receive back benefits from the day that your SSI was approved. If it was NOT accepted, there are 3 levels of appeal you can go through. THAT'S where your "2 year" comment may have come from, since each appeal takes about 6 months apiece.

They always deny to the Hearing stage. And that takes 2 years. The 'appeals" before the ALJ hearing are a joke.
 
They always deny to the Hearing stage. And that takes 2 years. The 'appeals" before the ALJ hearing are a joke.

Not true. My brother was accepted without any appeals as have been 4 out of the 6 clients that I have recommended go through the process. YMMV, of course.
 
I think the poll is badly flawed. Why on Earth would obesity be in the same category as depression? That's like comparing apples to oranges.
 
A friend of mine has an older son 40 something to be exact. He is on SSI. He is too drepressed to deal with a job or to deal with life in general. He is not too depressed to buy a car. He is not too depressed to buy a boat. He is not too depressed too move from Idaho to South Carolina....all by his little 0l' self. He is not too depressed to go fishing all day and water sking all summer. His 73 old mother works to help support him.... This are the ones that drive Republicans crazy.

I will gladly, gladly, gladly give you a helping hand when you are truely needy, help you get on your feet, make sure you are clothed and do not go hungry. I draw the line at helping you when you sit on your butt all day and fish!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WE DO NOT want the needy thrown off welfare, we want the bums like the one above thrown off welfare

You ruined this poll with your partisan comments in the firsty
post.
 
I think we should support the poor no matter what. (Yes even the "lazy" ones who choose not to get a job)
 
So you enjoy buying cigarettes,booze and other drugs for panhandlers and thus encourage those people to harass others for money. Good for you.

That is such a mean spirited thing to say. " "There, but for the grace of God, go I"
 
I chose All poor. But the modifier is that I help as I believe the situation warrants. Some kinds of help are no help at all. I don't just pass dollars to someone who obviously is an alcoholic looking for their next drink.

However, my dollars and time are limited, so I pick and choose where to place them to do the most good.

Government, it will do whatever it does to satisfy a entire set of motives outside of "helping". For everything government gives, it takes. Dealing with the poor is one of those bottom up things, the top can help by staying out of the way. Starts and mostly works at the community level.
 
That is such a mean spirited thing to say. " "There, but for the grace of God, go I"

When you give money to bums that is what you paying for. There are soup kitchen,homeless shelters and many groups who aid the homeless and other less unfortunate.If you truly want to help the homeless then donate to one of those groups.If someone says they are hungry then give them a sandwich,if someone says they need diapers to them take them to buy diapers.Just don't blindly hand money to panhandlers.
 
when you give money to bums that is what you paying for. There are soup kitchen,homeless shelters and many groups who aid the homeless and other less unfortunate.if you truly want to help the homeless then donate to one of those groups.if someone says they are hungry then give them a sandwich,if someone says they need diapers to them take them to buy diapers.just don't blindly hand money to panhandlers.

ok:)........
 
That is such a mean spirited thing to say. " "There, but for the grace of God, go I"

Good point. What ever happened to the 'compassionate' that was suppose to be paired with 'conservative'? It seems that is now a foreign concept which is totally disdained by the right.
 
I know a similar story/ Woman works her adult life but she just cannot go on at 60 because of horrible back problems/arthritis. She applies for disability to get her to retirement and is denied and denied even though she can barely walk. Her grandson wanted to run the streets with his friends so he kept getting in trouble at school, got prescribed meds for ADD, got suspended again and suddenly he had a learning disability and started getting a SSI check and was "released to homeschooling" where he and all his buddies got to run the streets getting a check to do it. It disgusts me and it is perfectly legal.

All applicants who can fog a mirror are refused SSI on first application, and the next and the next and...........

I'm sure the idea is cut down on those who game the system and of course many will try. A cottage industry among lawyers has sprouted just because of this. I suggest you research this on the net. It may be that she really doesn't need a lawyer, just perseverance.
 
Good point. What ever happened to the 'compassionate' that was suppose to be paired with 'conservative'? It seems that is now a foreign concept which is totally disdained by the right.

My compassion is not misplaced nor do I let others use my compassion to take advantage of me.
 
When you give money to bums that is what you paying for. There are soup kitchen,homeless shelters and many groups who aid the homeless and other less unfortunate.If you truly want to help the homeless then donate to one of those groups.If someone says they are hungry then give them a sandwich,if someone says they need diapers to them take them to buy diapers.Just don't blindly hand money to panhandlers.

You truly are a compassionate conservative. assalamu alaikum (Peace be upon you)

Something we all need to know is that we all share one thing. Something made us the way we are. It may be one or a combinations of things including to whom we were born, the way our brains are wired, our body chemistry, trauma, experiences with the police, etc. I am not saying we must not be held accountable for our own actions. I am simply asking for understanding. Understanding would be good not only for us but for future generations. Simply ascribing the actions of others to good or evil is not only too simplistic but ignorant but for some it beats critical thinking because it is much easier.
 
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Good point. What ever happened to the 'compassionate' that was suppose to be paired with 'conservative'? It seems that is now a foreign concept which is totally disdained by the right.

yeah, they conviently forget that in their platforms.

I just hope some day that they might regain their souls which they sold out for
personal greed.

They also try to blame the poor for the deficit when everyone knows that a nations can not keep raiding it's treasury and giving it to the rich via tax cuts, not to mention not paying for a war with taxes. How absurd.
 
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So who made the decision that it was our responsibility to help the poor?
 
yeah, they conviently forget that in their platforms.

I just hope some day that they might regain their souls which they sold out for
personal greed.

They also try to blame the poor for the deficit when everyone knows that a nations can not keep raiding it's treasury and giving it to the rich via tax cuts, not to mention not paying for a war with taxes. How absurd.

The worship of Mammon has replaced their formerly professed Christian values. And that is sad in very many ways.

I never thought I would live long enough to thumb through my old high school bookkeeping text where it shows two sides of a balance sheet and know that a majority in Congress consider that heretical and the work of the devil.
 
You truly are a compassionate conservative.

Yes I am a compassionate conservative. Thank you for acknowledging that.

Something we all need to know is that we all share one thing. Something made us the way we are. It may be one or a combinations of things including to whom we were born, the way our brains are wired, our body chemistry, trauma, experiences with the police, etc. I am not saying we must not be held accountable for our own actions. I am simply asking for understanding. Understanding would be good not only for us but for future generations. Simply ascribing the actions of others to good or evil is not only too simplistic but ignorant but for some it beats critical thinking because it is much easier.

Irrelevant nonsense.
 
All applicants who can fog a mirror are refused SSI on first application, and the next and the next and...........

I'm sure the idea is cut down on those who game the system and of course many will try. A cottage industry among lawyers has sprouted just because of this. I suggest you research this on the net. It may be that she really doesn't need a lawyer, just perseverance.

I don't think you even have to be a lawyer to be a SS advocate. Anyway thanks, but fortunately for her one of her less than self-involved children cashed out part of their IRA and paid off her bills and gave her enough money to get by on until she made it to early retirement. It just sickens me that people like that who worked and contributed get virtually shut out on physical disability and people like her grandson can get by with crap like that by making mental disability claims (I suppose technically her grandson's mother is the one who got by with it since the check came to her as his payee).
 
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