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Should Harry Reid Resign?

Should Harry Reid Resign?

  • Of course, you can't lie about stuff like that if you are an elected US official

    Votes: 9 30.0%

  • No, politicians lie all the time.

    Votes: 14 46.7%

  • Nope, still don't believe Romney has ever paid taxes.

    Votes: 7 23.3%
  • Total voters
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Captain America said:
I have always heard that people in glass houses should not throw stones.

If we ousted every lying politician, there would be none left to screw us blind.

Mitt is on record for fibbing time and time again. Should we have him resign the GOP candidacy?
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Yes. They should be licensed to practice politics. And things like this should lead to them losing that license. Including Romney.
 
Hatuey said:
The Romney campaign with a digital letter from PricewaterhouseCoopers says that. :shrug: - so where are the returns?
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It's not a "digital letter"; it's scanned pieces of paper. Are you suggesting it's a forgery? Or that the general counsel of PWC is lying? Or both?
 
Hatuey said:
The Romney campaign with a digital letter from PricewaterhouseCoopers says that. :shrug: - so where are the returns?
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Why should have to show them?

BTW I have never from my first job sweeping floor in a saw mill, to the engineering position I have now paid 35%. And that has covered just about all ranges of middle class.
 
Aberration said:
Why should have to show them?
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For the same reason Obama ended up showing his birth certificate. End of controversy. The longer he takes, the more people will become suspicious. The relevance of Obama's birth certificate was none to most people for the simple reason that all security agencies do background checks on members of congress. Tax returns? Not so much.

Harshaw said:
It's not a "digital letter"; it's scanned pieces of paper. Are you suggesting it's a forgery? Or that the general counsel of PWC is lying? Or both?
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No. I'm suggesting that Romney still hasn't released any evidence to refute the claims being made. Release the return like your father, end of claims. :shrug:

Or was this only relevant when it had to do with a birth certificate?

Harshaw said:
Not that most of you can handle linguistic subtlety, but he didn't "question the authenticity" of Obama's birth certificate. He pointed out that Obama has yet to produce one, which is true.

While this COULD be questioning authenticity, it could also be, as it is for others, offered as an example of the secrecy and untrustworthiness inherent in Obama -- if there's nothing to hide, why can't he just show it? Is there something on the full-out certificate he doesn't want people to know, separate from his place of birth? Questions will linger as long as the actual certificate -- which is much more detailed than the computer-generated version Hawaii produced -- is kept confidential.

In other words, one can accept his place of birth and his natural-born citizenship while at the same time wondering what else it is he might not want people to know. Given the context of of what the man said, and the fact that the Republican club shouted down the audience member who wanted to raise MORE questions about Obama's citizenship, it certainly isn't unreasonable to suspect this was more likely the case. Why is there so much secrecy in an Administration which pledged to be 100% transparent?
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Come on Harshaw, step up and let's see you back up your own words here. Or is this different?
 
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well, despite no evidence to the claims of him paying "no taxes in 12 years".... despite smatterings of evidence to the contrary of those claims.... some folks are just gonna believe what their Democratic party leaders tell them to believe.

maybe it's not so different from the birther thing after all;)
 
Hatuey said:
No. I'm suggesting that Romney still hasn't released any evidence to refute the claims being made. Release the return like your father, end of claims. :shrug:
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No "evidence" other than a summary/certification from the general counsel of the firm which prepared his taxes. This is, by the way, equivalent to a short-form birth certificate, so you're verging on birther territory with this.

I ask again -- do you think this is fraudulent? If so, explain how, and keep in mind, you're accusing someone, perhaps someones, of a felony.

(And where's the accuser's "evidence"? You seem to have little curiosity over that.)
 
Harshaw said:
No "evidence" other than a summary/certification from the general counsel of the firm which prepared his taxes. This is, by the way, equivalent to a short-form birth certificate, so you're verging on birther territory with this.

I ask again -- do you think this is fraudulent? If so, explain how, and keep in mind, you're accusing someone, perhaps someones, of a felony.

(And where's the accuser's "evidence"? You seem to have little curiosity over that.)
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Buddy, read the post again. You yourself argued that Obama SHOULD release his birth certificate if he had nothing to hide even though there was ZERO evidence he wasn't a U.S. citizen born in Hawaii. Now you all the sudden are finding reasons to have Romney not release his tax returns even though the situation is exactly the same? Yer lookin' partisan.
 
Hatuey said:
Come on Harshaw, step up and let's see you back up your own words here. Or is this different?
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What in my words do I have to square?

I didn't question the authenticity of anything, as you appear to be doing with the PWC letter.

The equivalent, in this case, to Reid's accusation that Romney paid no taxes is the accusation that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii. You quoted me as not disputing Obama's place of birth.

You can say "fine, Reid was wrong, but what ELSE could Romney be hiding," which would be equivalent to what I said in the quote (never mind that I was explaining what someone else had said), but that's not what you're doing. You're saying Reid's accusation stands and the PWC letter doesn't do anything to dispute it.
 
Hatuey said:
For the same reason Obama ended up showing his birth certificate. End of controversy. The longer he takes, the more people will become suspicious. The relevance of Obama's birth certificate was none to most people for the simple reason that all security agencies do background checks on members of congress. Tax returns? Not so much.
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Of well if its to end controversy than why hasnt Obama released all of his college transcripts? People want to know... :roll:
 
Hatuey said:
Buddy, read the post again.
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As you edited your post after I quoted you, what you are referring to wasn't there at the time.

You yourself argued that Obama SHOULD release his birth certificate if he had nothing to hide even though there was ZERO evidence he wasn't a U.S. citizen born in Hawaii. Now you all the sudden are finding reasons to have Romney not release his tax returns even though the situation is exactly the same? Yer lookin' partisan.
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And I have now responded to this above. :shrug:

Now, answer the question -- are you saying the PWC letter is a fraud, either being a forgery or being an intentional misrepresentation by PWC?
 
Hatuey said:
Buddy, read the post again. You yourself argued that Obama SHOULD release his birth certificate if he had nothing to hide even though there was ZERO evidence he wasn't a U.S. citizen born in Hawaii. Now you all the sudden are finding reasons to have Romney not release his tax returns even though the situation is exactly the same? Yer lookin' partisan.
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Its not the same if you wish to scrutinize. One pertains to someones eligibility to be President. The other has nothing to do with anything.
 
Harshaw said:
What in my words do I have to square?

I didn't question the authenticity of anything, as you appear to be doing with the PWC letter.
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While this COULD be questioning authenticity, it could also be, as it is for others, offered as an example of the secrecy and untrustworthiness inherent in Obama -- if there's nothing to hide, why can't he just show it? Is there something on the full-out certificate he doesn't want people to know, separate from his place of birth? Questions will linger as long as the actual certificate -- which is much more detailed than the computer-generated version Hawaii produced -- is kept confidential.
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A lot of rosy talk simply to say you didn't believe the short form birth certificate was good enough/real etc.

The equivalent, in this case, to Reid's accusation that Romney paid no taxes is the accusation that Obama wasn't born in Hawaii. You quoted me as not disputing Obama's place of birth.
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Moving the goalposts? How cute.

You can say "fine, Reid was wrong, but what ELSE could Romney be hiding," which would be equivalent to what I said in the quote (never mind that I was explaining what someone else had said), but that's not what you're doing. You're saying Reid's accusation stands and the PWC letter doesn't do anything to dispute it.
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All the mental acrobatics required to write the above are giving you a headache aren't they?
 
Aberration said:
Its not the same if you wish to scrutinize. One pertains to someones eligibility to be President. The other has nothing to do with anything.
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An eligibility to be president who wasn't questioned by anybody in any of our national security agencies. :shrug:
 
friday said:
As far as swiftboating Kerry, what you had was veterans who served with him in Vietnam who, honest or not, didn't like being accused of raping and murdering the vietnamese. But none of them were elected officials.
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John Kerry volunteered to fight in a war and won a sliver star and the purple heart. How does that compare with your own service?
 
friday said:
As far as swiftboating Kerry, what you had was veterans who served with him in Vietnam who, honest or not, didn't like being accused of raping and murdering the vietnamese. But none of them were elected officials.
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You also had people that stated because they were with him he couldnt possibly have been where he said he was or received the war wounds and purple hearts in the manner he said he did. Of course...Kerry could have completely blown ALL of the arguments against him out of the water merely by allowing his DoD records to be completely open. Same with Obama...imagine how the furor over his birth certificates, college admission records etc would have been quickly eliminated if he didnt continue to act like he has something to hide. And SINCE the democrats are all about 'disclosure' when it comes to Romney you would THINK they would be all aboard when it come to their own guys...right? But then...liberals never cared about Kerrys numerous houses, tax rates, proven tax evasion schemes, etc. They never complained about hi being unapproachable or unable to connect with the 'common man'. Mostly because when it comes to their guy...they just dont care.
 
friday said:
What Matters in Romney's Tax Memo - Yahoo! Finance

In an attempt to smear Mitt Romney, about two months ago United States Senator Harry Reid declared that he had inside knowledge that Mitt Romney had not paid any taxes for some of the years over the last decade. This has now been debunked. So the question is, if a United States senator lies about another American's income tax filings in an attempt to smear them, should that trusted member of civilized government be forced to resign?
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How has Reids claim been debunked? Where are Romney's tax forms from 2007,2008, 2009? I'm sure there are some years there that he paid no taxes in.
 
VanceMack said:
You also had people that stated because they were with him he couldnt possibly have been where he said he was or received the war wounds and purple hearts in the manner he said he did. Of course...Kerry could have completely blown ALL of the arguments against him out of the water merely by allowing his DoD records to be completely open. Same with Obama...imagine how the furor over his birth certificates, college admission records etc would have been quickly eliminated if he didnt continue to act like he has something to hide. And SINCE the democrats are all about 'disclosure' when it comes to Romney you would THINK they would be all aboard when it come to their own guys...right? But then...liberals never cared about Kerrys numerous houses, tax rates, proven tax evasion schemes, etc. They never complained about hi being unapproachable or unable to connect with the 'common man'. Mostly because when it comes to their guy...they just dont care.
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Wiggen said:
John Kerry volunteered to fight in a war and won a sliver star and the purple heart. How does that compare with your own service?
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He DID volunteer...and bailed as soon as a democrat lost the election. He was following the Kennedy plan to success in politics. He also nominated himself for those decorations, several of them being 'awarded' after he was an elected official. His record and performance was countered by people he served with. They would be in a much more powerful position to know than someone like...say...me...a guy with 20 years of service, 7 deployments in a combat zone and 6 and 2/3s rows of commendations and awards (none of which were awarded for rice shrapnel in my ass because I was standing too close to a container I tossed a grenade into. But then...I never proudly admitted to shooting an unarmed fleeing enemy combatant in the back either).
 
Hatuey said:
A lot of rosy talk simply to say you didn't believe the short form birth certificate was good enough/real etc.
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No, now you're misrepresenting what I said.

First of all, I was explaining what someone else said. The full context of the thread shows that.

Second of all, the part you highlighted was under the assumption that the short-form certificate was "real."

Also, keeping mind that I was explaining someone else's statement there, it was about something other than his place of birth.

Face it; you didn't even actually understand my post in the first place.

Perhaps the further deflection indicates that you now realize that.


Moving the goalposts? How cute.
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That's completely idiotic. It's the equivalent accusation; I see you didn't even try to explain how it's wrong. When you've got nothing, I guess this is the best you can do.


All the mental acrobatics required to write the above are giving you a headache aren't they?
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No mental acrobatics; it's just the way it is, and your handwaving indicates you can't dispute it.

And continuing to dwell on this also indicates the lack of stones necessary to answer whether or not you think the PWC letter is forged/fraudulent/both, as it would have to be not to dispute Reid.

So, answer up.
 
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And that recent disclosure did...what exactly? I mean...besides proving he paid more in taxes than he had to and gave more in both actually and percentage charitable contributions, what did it prove? Where liberals up in arms about the number of houses Kerry owned? Where they distraught about his wealth, his percentages, his inability to connect with the common folk? Even after it was disclosed he intentionally purchased one of his yachts in a neighboring state and kept it docked there to avoid paying taxes...nothing?

Oh...hey...I get it...EVERYONE does it. The rich dont get and stay rich by giving their wealth away. Hells bells...the richest politicians in congress are democrats...we know that. The blatant hypocrisy comes from those that actually pretend to give a **** about this stuff. Like...say...you? Do you REALLY care and if so...are you clamoring for full disclosure on both sides?
 
VanceMack said:
And that recent disclosure did...what exactly? I mean...besides proving he paid more in taxes than he had to and gave more in both actually and percentage charitable contributions, what did it prove? Where liberals up in arms about the number of houses Kerry owned? Where they distraught about his wealth, his percentages, his inability to connect with the common folk? Even after it was disclosed he intentionally purchased one of his yachts in a neighboring state and kept it docked there to avoid paying taxes...nothing?
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Nothing. That's the point. They're asking for 10 years. He released 1. In the words of Harshaw "what does he have to hide?"
 
Hatuey said:
Nothing. That's the point. They're asking for 10 years. He released 1. In the words of Harshaw "what does he have to hide?"
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He is foolish for releasing ANY of it because all it will do is cause people to spend the next four weeks with one argument after the other talking about his tax returns and NOT the problems this country is facing. And nice continued dodge on the reality that liberals never give a rats ass about this stuff...any of it...when its 'their guy'.
 
Hatuey said:
Nothing. That's the point. They're asking for 10 years. He released 1. In the words of Harshaw "what does he have to hide?"
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He released 2, and you haven't answered my question about the PWC summary going back to 1990. Do you think it's forged or fraudulent? C'mon, Hatuey; it's a simple question.
 
VanceMack said:
He is foolish for releasing ANY of it because all it will do is cause people to spend the next four weeks with one argument after the other talking about his tax returns and NOT the problems this country is facing. And nice continued dodge on the reality that liberals never give a rats ass about this stuff...any of it...when its 'their guy'.
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They're already doing that. First they accuse him of not paying enough taxes, then they tax his tax forms and say that paying TOO MUCH taxes means he shouldn't be President. Who could've predicted? :roll:
 
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