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Economy vs. Killing Bin Laden: Which wa/is more important?

Which issue was/is more important for Barack Obama to have tackled first?

  • the Economy

    Votes: 17 81.0%
  • Killing Bin Laden

    Votes: 1 4.8%
  • He did both and did a great job.

    Votes: 3 14.3%
  • I have no idea what's going on. don't care. I jus like the man. 4 more years!.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    21

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IYO, which was more important? and why?


IMO, Barack's failure to tackle the economy FIRST and get that fixed and back running properly. what he did was put a band aid on a bullet wound(stimulus/obamacare,etc..), and spent his chips on killing bin laden, which if you ask me, bin laden been dead since 2007, but that's another topic.

sound off:peace
 
First: I'm glad we killed Bin Laden. It provided closure and vindication for those who felt violated by the incident on 9/11/01.

That said: At that point in time, killing Bin Laden was likely no longer a national security issue. He was largely impotent within U.S. borders and there were other, more active targets who posed a larger risk. So given that, the economy was more important.

Still, I don't fault Obama for making the call and maintaining intelligence actions begun under Bush's administration that led to Bin Laden's death. It isn't as though presidents can't juggle multiple duties simultaneously....that's kind of their job. I don't believe Obama neglected the needs of the economy in his efforts to catch Bin Laden, or that he would have been any more successful in leading actions that spurred the economy if he hadn't focused on him.
 
First: I'm glad we killed Bin Laden. It provided closure and vindication for those who felt violated by the incident on 9/11/01.

That said: At that point in time, killing Bin Laden was likely no longer a national security issue. He was largely impotent within U.S. borders and there were other, more active targets who posed a larger risk. So given that, the economy was more important.

Still, I don't fault Obama for making the call and maintaining intelligence actions begun under Bush's administration that led to Bin Laden's death. It isn't as though presidents can't juggle multiple duties simultaneously....that's kind of their job. I don't believe Obama neglected the needs of the economy in his efforts to catch Bin Laden, or that he would have been any more successful in leading actions that spurred the economy if he hadn't focused on him.

Obama didn't focus on getting osama, the CIA did. Obama did focus on the economy and that is the problem, he has been like a little boy with a magnifying glass focusing on ants to burn them up and he has achieved the same result.
 
The economy is necessary for everything else in government to exist. Without the economy, there is no money for anything else. So, of course the economy is of much greater importance.
 
First: I'm glad we killed Bin Laden. It provided closure and vindication for those who felt violated by the incident on 9/11/01.

That said: At that point in time, killing Bin Laden was likely no longer a national security issue. He was largely impotent within U.S. borders and there were other, more active targets who posed a larger risk. So given that, the economy was more important.

Still, I don't fault Obama for making the call and maintaining intelligence actions begun under Bush's administration that led to Bin Laden's death. It isn't as though presidents can't juggle multiple duties simultaneously....that's kind of their job. I don't believe Obama neglected the needs of the economy in his efforts to catch Bin Laden, or that he would have been any more successful in leading actions that spurred the economy if he hadn't focused on him.

So you are content in your mind that it was BETTER for us to spend millions if not billions tracking down and killing OBL vs. using that same money to kickstart our Economy??

WOW!!!!

Now I can truly understand the Nany State mentality.
 
So you are content in your mind that it was BETTER for us to spend millions if not billions tracking down and killing OBL vs. using that same money to kickstart our Economy??

WOW!!!!

Now I can truly understand the Nany State mentality.

Do you know how much we spent on TARP, the auto bailout, and the stimulus? Did THOSE work? Do you think a couple billion more really would have done the trick?

:roll:
 
The economy is necessary for everything else in government to exist. Without the economy, there is no money for anything else. So, of course the economy is of much greater importance.

Do you also believe that tracking down OBL was necessary, say like, after the economy was back on track?
 
Do you know how much we spent on TARP, the auto bailout, and the stimulus? Did THOSE work? Do you think a couple billion more really would have done the trick?

:roll:

You know what, I would rather spend my money fixing up my classic car, then to go jump into a $85,000 car note.

think about that.

Killing OBL really did nothing for us. we are no safer than we were before he was supposedly killed. do you agree?

Just look at the recent Embassy bombing.

Obama wasted our money.
 
You know what, I would rather spend my money fixing up my classic car, then to go jump into a $85,000 car note.

think about that.

Killing OBL really did nothing for us. we are no safer than we were before he was supposedly killed. do you agree?

Just look at the recent Embassy bombing.

Obama wasted our money.

Obama doing what he does best.
 
You know what, I would rather spend my money fixing up my classic car, then to go jump into a $85,000 car note.

think about that.

Killing OBL really did nothing for us. we are no safer than we were before he was supposedly killed. do you agree?

Just look at the recent Embassy bombing.

Obama wasted our money.

Why don't you ask the survivors of the 9/11 victims if they feel the money was wasted?
 
So you are content in your mind that it was BETTER for us to spend millions if not billions tracking down and killing OBL vs. using that same money to kickstart our Economy??

WOW!!!!

Now I can truly understand the Nany State mentality.

I think tess was pretty clear that accomplishing one had little impact on the other.

Our economic pictures is far more important to me than whether Osama bin Laden is in hiding but it's not like our economy was compromised because our intelligence and military community was doing other stuff too.
 
You know what, I would rather spend my money fixing up my classic car, then to go jump into a $85,000 car note.

think about that.

Killing OBL really did nothing for us. we are no safer than we were before he was supposedly killed. do you agree?

Just look at the recent Embassy bombing.

Obama wasted our money.

I'm not even sure what you're advocating for at this point.

Virtually all of the investment was undertaken by Pres. Bush but it's not like we made the investment to to find Osama bin Laden and only Osama bid Laden. We set up a worldwide intelligence network and that network was able to locate Osama bin Laden. Failing to act would have been irresponsible.
 
Do you also believe that tracking down OBL was necessary, say like, after the economy was back on track?

I think that once he was isolated and his effectiveness to act was removed, that killing him was no longer a priority or should it have been. The War in Afghanistan was never totally about getting OBL, it was about undercutting support and removing bases of operations for Al Queda, and the War on Terror in general was about removing that from other terrorist organizations, not just about AQ. Further, while many consider the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq to have been a waste of money, consider that without them having open bases to train in and that they now expend so much of their resources there instead of attacking us directly, then both were a success in diverting greater danger away from our borders. We all hate to see the reports of dead military members over there, but it is the military's job to be the shield between those that would attack us and our civilians. If anyone is going to attack us, the military should be the target, it's part of their job. Every gun, bomb or suicide bomber that they use there is one less that they could be using in our malls, shopping centers, schools or other civilian targets inside the US.

If we didn't spend money to keep the attacks focused there and on our military, but instead they were freer to attack our civilians and business, what affect would that have had on the economy? People want to constantly bring up the costs of the war, but never consider what the cost to us may be if we didn't have them. This whole concept that if we left them alone, they would leave us alone fails because we did leave them alone before and they attacked and blew up embassies, bombed a US Naval Vessel, and finally carried out the 9/11 attacks.

Also, the government can rarely directly control the economy, efforts to do so will only cause greater economic distress. To affect the economy, the government should focus on making the business environment in America competitive and workable instead of hamstringing it. I did not disagree with Obama's concept of his stimulus, only how he went about it. He would of had much greater success if he had had the government directly hire the unemployed to work on projects. Instead of welfare, put those people to work, use the money currently going to welfare to fund it initially. If properly structured, we could have a almost self sustaining program instead of the burdensome mess that is welfare in America today and our economy would be a hell of a lot better off because of it.
 
The economy, but the fact the current economy isn't exactly "good" doesn't mean I will vote for Romney. The question there is who will do a better job? Some believe that's Romney. Some believe that's Obama. I kind of laugh at bumper stickers that say things like "Anyone but Obama 2012!" - always tempted to walk up to them and start up a conversation. "I saw your bumper sticker, I couldn't agree with you more! We have had too much Obama! Have you looked into Jill Stein?" (No, I'm not voting for Stein, just that most people that dislike Obama would really dislike Stein.)
 
First off... which is more important?

The economy, hands down. In terms of management and operation... if you consider the war on terror as a direct result of 9/11, which it is.. then the US spent 4 trils over the course of a decade in killing al qaeda to get to bin laden. This is a one-dimensional view but I will keep it that way to avoid talking about other reasons why the US would go into the ME. For now.. we stick to a simple mentality. Osama spent what? 10.000k $ to take down the twin towers... and the US spent 4tril because of that in trying to kill him. I would think that although he was killed... he accomplished what he wanted. Osama's mission statement was to get the US bogged down in the Middle East, in endless expensive wars and he did it from day 1. the US governments (both bush and obama) mission was to end the war on terror... one of those objectives, is killing Osama. So one objective done... the mission still remains. If Obama would have managed to end the War on Terror (one way or another)... then indeed, that could be considered as important than the economy. Otherwise... its just peanuts that carry a big sentimental value. But peanuts non-the-less.

In terms of the economy. Real unemployment+underemployment+discouraged workers is about 23%.. with unemployment a little under half of that. Where did he start from?

Alternate Unemployment Charts

I know it may seem like a shady site, but I checked some of the data by looking directly at bls.gov and searching... and from what I've seen, it's pretty accurate.
If you look at the chart, Obama in 09 started at about 16%... raised to 21% by 2010 and stayed around that area till today. This is why people think of it as an failure. Obama supporters may consider it a success because of... something. Maybe because in the past few months unemployment went down along with underemployment... but we see a hike in discouraged workers... which can be justified by saying that the reason Obama managed to shave a few points off unemployment is because there are a bunch of people out there who dropped off the charts... stopped receiving unemployment benefits because their terms expired and didn't manage to get any job what so ever. I am not that's the entire reason. I'm sure unemployment dropped also because jobs were created... but also because some people dropped off the charts. This is what the statistic shows.


In other words.. the economy is more important than anything because w/o it you cannot have social programs, abortions, healthcare, wars, gay marriage or anything. If people don't have money and don't have a way to earn money.
 
Obama didn't focus on getting osama, the CIA did. Obama did focus on the economy and that is the problem, he has been like a little boy with a magnifying glass focusing on ants to burn them up and he has achieved the same result.

Actually....Obama TRIED to focus on the economy much more than he was able to....but if you go back and look at his first year, it was the "Party of NO" that rejected and blocked every effort he made to do so. If he hadn't been obstructed at every level, the economy would have rebounded more than it has. That said....we have now had 40 interrupted months of job growth. The stock markets have doubled since Obama took office and we are on the right path. That certainly beats the hundreds of thousands of jobs which we were hemorraghing when Obama took office, at least in my opinion
 
Our economic pictures is far more important to me than whether Osama bin Laden is in hiding but it's not like our economy was compromised because our intelligence and military community was doing other stuff too.

How can you say that? It compromised OUR TAX DOLLARS.
 
I'm not even sure what you're advocating for at this point.

Virtually all of the investment was undertaken by Pres. Bush but it's not like we made the investment to to find Osama bin Laden and only Osama bid Laden. We set up a worldwide intelligence network and that network was able to locate Osama bin Laden. Failing to act would have been irresponsible.

YOu mean all of the investment was untaken by our tax dollars, right? ^that must've been a fruedian slip.
 
How can you say that? It compromised OUR TAX DOLLARS.

I don't even know what that means but you seem to be arguing for the sake of arguing with everyone at this point.

You're not worth my time and I'm adding you to Ignore.
 
I think that once he was isolated and his effectiveness to act was removed, that killing him was no longer a priority or should it have been. The War in Afghanistan was never totally about getting OBL, it was about undercutting support and removing bases of operations for Al Queda, and the War on Terror in general was about removing that from other terrorist organizations, not just about AQ. Further, while many consider the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq to have been a waste of money, consider that without them having open bases to train in and that they now expend so much of their resources there instead of attacking us directly, then both were a success in diverting greater danger away from our borders. We all hate to see the reports of dead military members over there, but it is the military's job to be the shield between those that would attack us and our civilians. If anyone is going to attack us, the military should be the target, it's part of their job. Every gun, bomb or suicide bomber that they use there is one less that they could be using in our malls, shopping centers, schools or other civilian targets inside the US.

If we didn't spend money to keep the attacks focused there and on our military, but instead they were freer to attack our civilians and business, what affect would that have had on the economy? People want to constantly bring up the costs of the war, but never consider what the cost to us may be if we didn't have them. This whole concept that if we left them alone, they would leave us alone fails because we did leave them alone before and they attacked and blew up embassies, bombed a US Naval Vessel, and finally carried out the 9/11 attacks.

Also, the government can rarely directly control the economy, efforts to do so will only cause greater economic distress. To affect the economy, the government should focus on making the business environment in America competitive and workable instead of hamstringing it. I did not disagree with Obama's concept of his stimulus, only how he went about it. He would of had much greater success if he had had the government directly hire the unemployed to work on projects. Instead of welfare, put those people to work, use the money currently going to welfare to fund it initially. If properly structured, we could have a almost self sustaining program instead of the burdensome mess that is welfare in America today and our economy would be a hell of a lot better off because of it.

I thought the WOT was all about OIL , not ousting dictators?
 
I don't even know what that means but you seem to be arguing for the sake of arguing with everyone at this point.

You're not worth my time and I'm adding you to Ignore.

Oh ok, you're clueless as to how wars are funded? I get it.

My whole issue is with the poor decisions Obama made with my tax dollars. I think he should've spent our tax dollars on fixing the eeconomy not continuing wars and starting new ones with Syria and Iran.
 
Actually....Obama TRIED to focus on the economy much more than he was able to....but if you go back and look at his first year, it was the "Party of NO" that rejected and blocked every effort he made to do so. If he hadn't been obstructed at every level, the economy would have rebounded more than it has. That said....we have now had 40 interrupted months of job growth. The stock markets have doubled since Obama took office and we are on the right path. That certainly beats the hundreds of thousands of jobs which we were hemorraghing when Obama took office, at least in my opinion

Oh I get it. so the "party of NO" and not Congress, kept Obama from doing his job? I get it.

Sounds like sour grapes though. because Obama could've done more with the economy using his executive Order powers, which he has freely used over 10 times alreaddy signing things and "changing " things.
 
the best thing for the economy would have been to bring back the WPA and to pay for it with taxes, in my opinion. there's plenty of infrastructure to fix, and we need a massively expanded electrical grid. that would have been a bottom-up fix, and everyone would have benefited from it. if we hadn't done the REA the first time around, there might not have been electricity in many rural areas until many decades later, if ever.

instead, we got a stimulus that wasn't big enough. it was far better than nothing, though.
 
Oh I get it. so the "party of NO" and not Congress, kept Obama from doing his job? I get it.

Sounds like sour grapes though. because Obama could've done more with the economy using his executive Order powers, which he has freely used over 10 times alreaddy signing things and "changing " things.

Not sour grapes at all...just the facts. It was the party of NO and a handful of bluedogs that obstructed every effort that Obama raised at trying to help the economy. McConnell himself made no bones about it. He, from day 1 indicated that they would obstruct everything that Obama tried to do. So if kinda falls shallow when people condemn Obama's efforts, when they support the very people who obstructed the efforts.

As for Executive powers, exactly what are you proposing that Obama do? There are very limited things that executive orders can be used for. I'm interested in hearing what you think Obama could have done with them that he didn't.
 
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