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Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime?

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Henrin said:
The Obama truth team wants to tell you that Obama didn't do that. I laughed my ass off at the tweet by the Obama administration correcting one of his supporters on that issue.

Obama supporter: Obama gave me a phone!

Obama administration: Obama didn't give you that.

Lol...
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That "Obamaphone" meme is about the only catchy phrase the Romney campaign has come up with.
 
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ecofarm said:
We have ~6 public channels (national). They are regulated by vote. Seems fair enough to me. There's virtually no regulation on cable, sat, net, etc. It's like regulating public radio.

Euros wanna cry about the no nudity, but they ban Michael Savage from entering the UK.
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Euros cry about no nudity? I have seen some oddball show that has clips of Swedish tv, Italian tv, etc.

The actors sure looked nude to me.
 
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Pinkie said:
That "Obamaphone" meme is about the only catchy phrase the Romney campaign has come up with.
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The funny thing about it is that it all got started by Obama supporters that couldn't help but look like absolute imbeciles in the street talking about their Obama phone. XD
 
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Romney's catchphrase seems to be: "O, no. That isn't what I meant by what I said."
 
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Pinkie said:
Euros cry about no nudity?
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About no nude on US public airwaves. Ima go sleep too. Night.
 
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Pinkie said:
Romney's catchphrase seems to be: "O, no. That isn't what I meant by what I said."
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Romney suffers from an extreme case of assholishness and at the same time foot in mouth disease. Obama suffers from both as well so its a competition on who shows it less. XD
 
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This is probably the most one sided poll with over 150 votes in site history.

I applaud you guys for being sensible.

:peace
 
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ecofarm said:
About no nude on US public airwaves. Ima go sleep too. Night.
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Well as long as people are free to incite violence in the middle east, I guess you will sleep soundly, without a care of all OTHER censorship which you are fine with.

You draw some weird lines.
 
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Guy Incognito said:
Well as long as people are free to incite violence in the middle east, I guess you will sleep soundly, without a care of all OTHER censorship which you are fine with.

You draw some weird lines.
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It is not "weird" to feel the First Amendment is a bedrock of this country. It is "weird" to be an American with at least a HS education, but never comprehend why the Bill of Rights is important.
 
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Pinkie said:
It is not "weird" to feel the First Amendment is a bedrock of this country. It is "weird" to be an American with at least a HS education, but never comprehend why the Bill of Rights is important.
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heck Im not even american and I know how important it is
 
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Pinkie said:
It is not "weird" to feel the First Amendment is a bedrock of this country. It is "weird" to be an American with at least a HS education, but never comprehend why the Bill of Rights is important.
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Not that weird, given the disastrous state of public education these days.

What I find more weird is the idea that one of my countrymen would rather give power to subhuman savages on the other side of the world with regard to what rights we should enjoy in this country, rather than allowing that determination to be made based on our own Constitution, and upon the orderly process that we have established in this country for this purpose.
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
Not that weird, given the disastrous state of public education these days.

What I find more weird is the idea that one of my countrymen would rather give power to subhuman savages on the other side of the world with regard to what rights we should enjoy in this country, rather than allowing that determination to be made based on our own Constitution, and upon the orderly process that we have established in this country for this purpose.
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True, that.
 
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Quag said:
heck Im not even american and I know how important it is
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Perhaps you don't understand what is at issue then. The first amendment was written by a bunch of white slaveholding aristocrats to protect, among other things, the right of white slaveholding aristocrats to speak their mind about politics. Its original intent has nothing to do with true freedom of expression, which necessitates that people be allowed to freely curse and expose nudity. True freedoms of expression ends when the speech directly causes harm.
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
Not that weird, given the disastrous state of public education these days.

What I find more weird is the idea that one of my countrymen would rather give power to subhuman savages on the other side of the world with regard to what rights we should enjoy in this country, rather than allowing that determination to be made based on our own Constitution, and upon the orderly process that we have established in this country for this purpose.
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I am a libertarian first and foremost, my concern is getting the government to respect all fundamental human right, not respect the wishes of a bunch of slaveholders.
 
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I think its ludicrous people would even consider this.

To those that say yes to this topic what makes you think appeasement will work?
I would venture to say that most moderate muslims are mature enough to not riot and kill people when someone is critical of their religion. I experience this on a regular basis in America and someone how can manage to control myself.

Its the fanatics people are so willing to appease. As if no longer being critical of Islam will simply allow them to go back in their hole and behave. Not likely.
 
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A breakdown of the "yes" answers:

- 4 trolls
- 1 muslim
 
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Paratrooper said:
I think its ludicrous people would even consider this.

To those that say yes to this topic what makes you think appeasement will work?
I would venture to say that most moderate muslims are mature enough to not riot and kill people when someone is critical of their religion. I experience this on a regular basis in America and someone how can manage to control myself.

Its the fanatics people are so willing to appease. As if no longer being critical of Islam will simply allow them to go back in their hole and behave. Not likely.
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You seem to have some prejudice against Islam. Why is that?
 
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Guy Incognito said:
Perhaps you don't understand what is at issue then. The first amendment was written by a bunch of white slaveholding aristocrats to protect, among other things, the right of white slaveholding aristocrats to speak their mind about politics. Its original intent has nothing to do with true freedom of expression, which necessitates that people be allowed to freely curse and expose nudity. True freedoms of expression ends when the speech directly causes harm.
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No you dont seem to understand the movie was not an incitement to violence the people who used the movie to whip up a mob to attack others were the ones inciting violence. To bow down to violence in a democracy is to lose freedom.
Yes true freedom of expression ends when you incite violence, Insulting someone is not inciting violence, to think so is to ask to be abused and led by others who have no problem in using violence. Untill you learn the difference between what the maker of this film did and those who used it as an excuse to actually incite violence you will never ever ever be able to comprehend what freedom of speech is all about.
 
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Quag said:
No you dont seem to understand the movie was not an incitement to violence the people who used the movie to whip up a mob to attack others were the ones inciting violence. To bow down to violence in a democracy is to lose freedom.
Yes true freedom of expression ends when you incite violence, Insulting someone is not inciting violence, to think so is to ask to be abused and led by others who have no problem in using violence. Untill you learn the difference between what the maker of this film did and those who used it as an excuse to actually incite violence you will never ever ever be able to comprehend what freedom of speech is all about.
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You are making me into a Strawman. I was talking about direct incitements to violence. The movie is an indirect incitement and therefore should be protected speech. My heart doesn't exactly bleed for the scumbag who made the film, but he had a right to do it and he is not who I was referring to in the post you quoted.

You seem like a nice guy. A lot of people in this thread appear to be working out anger against me for unrelated vendettas, and are purposefully contorting my words. I would like to ask you, as a favor, to read my posts carefully because my words are chosen very carefully, and you seem to be inadvertently Misinterpreting me.
 
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Guy Incognito said:
You seem to have some prejudice against Islam. Why is that?
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I spent several years in the middle east, living among and working with Muslims. I simply dislike that their fanatics are able to thrive because people are so willing to give them a free pass. Insert any other religion in the title and tell me who would vote yes?

Terrorist thrive on fear and that is what is driving this, not tolerance. If it was simply tolerance why has this question not been asked about other religions?
 
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Paratrooper said:
I spent several years in the middle east, living among and working with Muslims. I simply dislike that their fanatics are able to thrive because people are so willing to give them a free pass. Insert any other religion in the title and tell me who would vote yes?

Terrorist thrive on fear and that is what is driving this, not tolerance. If it was simply tolerance why has this question not been asked about other religions?
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I wouldn't vote yes for any religion. I have abstained since the question is too simplistic. My vote would be something like "no, unless it is direct incitement to violence."
 
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Paratrooper said:
I spent several years in the middle east, living among and working with Muslims. I simply dislike that their fanatics are able to thrive because people are so willing to give them a free pass. Insert any other religion in the title and tell me who would vote yes?

Terrorist thrive on fear and that is what is driving this, not tolerance. If it was simply tolerance why has this question not been asked about other religions?
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By the way, thank you for your service, sir.
 
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Guy Incognito said:
You are making me into a Strawman. I was talking about direct incitements to violence. The movie is an indirect incitement and therefore should be protected speech. My heart doesn't exactly bleed for the scumbag who made the film, but he had a right to do it and he is not who I was referring to in the post you quoted.

You seem like a nice guy. A lot of people in this thread appear to be working out anger against me for unrelated vendettas, and are purposefully contorting my words. I would like to ask you, as a favor, to read my posts carefully because my words are chosen very carefully, and you seem to be inadvertently Misinterpreting me.
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This thread is about:
Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime?
The answer has to be a categoric NO A resoundibg unwavering absolute NO.
Incitement to violence is another topic. Go back and read my posts, and ask yourself why you you responded as you did to my post, If you agree with me then your reply makes no sense, if you disagree with me explain why.
 
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Quag said:
This thread is about:
Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime?
The answer has to be a categoric NO A resoundibg unwavering absolute NO.
Incitement to violence is another topic. Go back and read my posts, and ask yourself why you you responded as you did to my post, If you agree with me then your reply makes no sense, if you disagree with me explain why.
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The topic of incitement to violence absolutely bears on this topic because that is what the film is. No one can doubt that and maintain any credibility. The question is, is it a protected form of incitement (indirect) or not(direct). It barely makes it. Hell, perhaps we need to reconsider our law on what constitutes direct incitement in he Internet age.

Should any disparaging remark about a religious figure be a crime? I agree it is a resounding no. Should a deliberate attempt to incite violence be against the law? Maybe, it depends on the circumstances.

Anybody who passionately defends this scumbag on free speech grounds, but is unwilling to stand up to everyday forms of censorship, has got their priorities totally out of whack.
 
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Guy Incognito said:
I am a libertarian first and foremost, my concern is getting the government to respect all fundamental human right, not respect the wishes of a bunch of slaveholders.
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So you would rather respect the wishes of subhuman savages who are not members of this society, and who have no standing herein, over the wishes of the “slaveholders” who established this society, and over the wishes of those of us who are now members in standing of this society? That's a rather bizarre representation of Libertarianism, I must say.
 
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