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Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime?

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Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

Absolutely not.

That said, there is no constitutional right to speech which incites violence against others. Several other exclusions to "free speech" protections have already been listed... but to make it illegal to criticize a particular religion? Ridiculous.
 
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Klown said:
I do agree with you on this point.

I notice that the state of California has introduced new laws which make any criticism of Israel as anti-Semitic that can result in a jail sentence.

You must be utterly furious at this legal development?
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Completely untrue. HR 35 makes no law whatsoever, and only pertains to anti-semitic activity on California state universities, declaring that certain references to Israel as an Aparthaid or Racist state engaged in Ethnic Cleansing or Crimes Against Humanity are in fact anti-semetic statements.

Pretty much like Martial Law Rules here in DP's Middle East forum.


California law denies free speech rights to those criticizing Israel on campus :: News From Underground
 
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Verthaine said:
Why stop at making certain forms of speech a crime?Why not make certain thoughts illegal also while you are at it?<sarcasm>.
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They have: it's called conspiracy.
 
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DiAnna said:
Completely untrue. HR 35 makes no law whatsoever, and only pertains to anti-semitic activity on California state universities, declaring that certain references to Israel as an Aparthaid or Racist state engaged in Ethnic Cleansing or Crimes Against Humanity are in fact anti-semetic statements.

Pretty much like Martial Law Rules here in DP's Middle East forum.


California law denies free speech rights to those criticizing Israel on campus :: News From Underground
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And you agree with this ruling pertaining to Californi state Universities?

Stange label Anti-semitic - arent Palestinians also Semites
 
Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

No NO NO no no...lol...
 
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DiAnna said:
Completely untrue. HR 35 makes no law whatsoever, and only pertains to anti-semitic activity on California state universities, declaring that certain references to Israel as an Aparthaid or Racist state engaged in Ethnic Cleansing or Crimes Against Humanity are in fact anti-semetic statements.

Pretty much like Martial Law Rules here in DP's Middle East forum.


California law denies free speech rights to those criticizing Israel on campus :: News From Underground
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Trying to ban any reference to anything on a college campus not only won't work, but is short lived as an idea. On private campusus however that's a different story.
 
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Klown said:
And you agree with this ruling pertaining to Californi state Universities?

Stange label Anti-semitic - arent Palestinians also Semites
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Stop putting words in my mouth. I neither agreed nor disagreed. I simply took a completely untrue statement and clarified it with... oddly enough... the truth.

jet57 said:
Trying to ban any reference to anything on a college campus not only won't work, but is short lived as an idea. On private campusus however that's a different story.
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Actually, not true. The State of California has many rules and regulations regarding the kind of speech, activities, etc., are allowed on state campuses. They've chosen to ban military recruitment of any kind, ban anti-semetic activities in the classroom and on campus, ban hate groups and hate speech in the classroom and on campus, etc.
 
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DiAnna said:
Stop putting words in my mouth. I neither agreed nor disagreed. I simply took a completely untrue statement and clarified it with... oddly enough... the truth.



Actually, not true. The State of California has many rules and regulations regarding the kind of speech, activities, etc., are allowed on state campuses. They've chosen to ban military recruitment of any kind, ban anti-semetic activities in the classroom and on campus, ban hate groups and hate speech in the classroom and on campus, etc.
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I don't actually think California could win a court challenge on most of the speech bans. However if the Universities decided to have those parameters depending upon what percentage is private they may have a case. While much of the speech intended to be silenced in those bans (not recruitment for military service) fall under the catagory of disgusting, they should be protected. Of course I have no problem with authorities looking the other way when the hate speakers get "tuned up".
 
Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

I voted no, but I think a few reasonable caveats should apply. For instance, speech that's clearly intended to stir up violence either by muslims or against muslims, when it's also either misleading or downright false, ought to be illegal. Ditto speech that does so to any other group or entity.

In other words: "Mohammed was a big fat doodiehead," while obviously ignorant and absurd, shouldn't be illegal. But, "Mohammed was a big fat doodiehead, and all you Bible-believing Christians ought to get your guns and kill your Muslim neighbors because they're going to blow the planet up with a huge nuclear bomb vest" should be illegal.
 
Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

no, i don't believe we should...I happen to enjoy free speech

.. but i don't think it will be too many more years before we start doing such things.... we are already moving away from freedoms and liberties, so it's just a matter of time.
 
Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

Thrilla said:
no, i don't believe we should...I happen to enjoy free speech

.. but i don't think it will be too many more years before we start doing such things.... we are already moving away from freedoms and liberties, so it's just a matter of time.
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I think so too. Some are giving away their freedoms with the attitude of "I don't have anything to hide, so why should I care if the government...."
 
How about if we change the freedom of religion law and outlaw Islam?
 
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LaMidRighter said:
I hated "Piss Christ" and despise much of the modern art movement, while I'd love to knock a few teeth loose on the PC creator it is protected speech. Protecting speech that is benign is easy, it's when things get tough that we have to still protect the right. Long answer abridged, HELL NO, though I condemn an attack on any religion personally.
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You "condem" the attack on religion but how about the violence it is causing? Do you defend someones right to knowingly cause harm to 1000's? And do nothing while it happens again and again? Is inciting violence a crime?
 
iguanaman said:
You "condem" the attack on religion but how about the violence it is causing? Do you defend someones right to knowingly cause harm to 1000's? And do nothing while it happens again and again? Is inciting violence a crime?
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iguanaman said:
Let's be fair and outlaw all religion. Why do people think they need a religion to pray to God?
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Or, you could stop assuming you have it all figured out and actually protect the philosophy of liberty that the constitution stands for.
 
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iguanaman said:
You "condem" the attack on religion but how about the violence it is causing? Do you defend someones right to knowingly cause harm to 1000's? And do nothing while it happens again and again? Is inciting violence a crime?
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yes, inciting violence is a crime.

however, being offensive is not incitement.
 
iguanaman said:
Let's be fair and outlaw all religion. Why do people think they need a religion to pray to God?
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no outlawing Islam...and outlawing religion... are both barred by the Constitution.

... not that Constitutionality really means anything anymore... but still.
 
I voted no as we are a free speech nation. However, in the event like the crazy ass who is intentionally trying to incite violence (kinda like the crazy ass Westboro Church folks) our leaders need to speak out that we are a nation of free speech and also of religious tolerance and that person does not represent our government or the majority of citizens.

There are crazy ass people in all countries and of all religions. Just like the Islamic fundamentalist that say and teach crazy **** ... we have our fair share.

Unfortunately the previous administration not only vocalized such ... they presided over such sematics. We had a former POTUS yammering about Holy War and Abu Ghraib and they have their crazy terrorists as well.

Yea ... let the crazy ass people like Westboro or the ass that is intentionally displaying hatred and pushing just right buttons have their free speech. Yet the patriotic loving citizens that are part of this beautiful country and have religious tolerance and do not have hateful hearts should also speak out and show we elect leaders who do not hold these nuts as anything other than hateful instigators.

No, we should not legislate any such thing and if that idiot wants to incite hatred and endanger our troops and citizens abroad ... that is his his hateful and ugly mindset.

Let all of us .... condemn the hatemongers on both sides trying to take us off the path of tolerance and making a better world by marginalizing them and let them be condemned by the majority of thoughtful, patriotic and loving people.
 
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X Factor said:
Simple question (I hope it's obvious I mean the Prophet Muhammed, I just couldn't include that in the title due to space limitations)?

Edit: Crap, I hit "go" before I had a chance to post the poll (and it won't let me delete my OP, so I can try again). Can a poll still be added?

Edit2: Ok, I figured it out.
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I have a better idea. anyone who engages in riots or violence because someone made fun of their Prophet ought to be terminated with extreme prejudice. If you think its proper to kill others or destroy property because someone called some guy who supposedly existed 1400 or so years ago a "pimp" you need to be extinct yesterday
 
iguanaman said:
Let's be fair and outlaw all religion. Why do people think they need a religion to pray to God?
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does that include the worship of big brother and his vicar on earth FDR or Obama?
 
LaMidRighter said:
Or, you could stop assuming you have it all figured out and actually protect the philosophy of liberty that the constitution stands for.
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Come down off the pedestal for a moment and tell me what will we do if one of these films or cartoons or whatever start coming out every month? Nothing?
 
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DiAnna said:
Stop putting words in my mouth. I neither agreed nor disagreed. I simply took a completely untrue statement and clarified it with... oddly enough... the truth.



Actually, not true. The State of California has many rules and regulations regarding the kind of speech, activities, etc., are allowed on state campuses. They've chosen to ban military recruitment of any kind, ban anti-semetic activities in the classroom and on campus, ban hate groups and hate speech in the classroom and on campus, etc.
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How is asking you whether you agree with something putting words in your mouth?

Did you notice the question mark at the end?

For someone who neither agrees and disagrees with the draconian Law in california, you do seem to be very interested in the outcome of such a law

I am little confused how criticism of Israel foerign policy and occupation of Palestinian territory is deamed to be anti-semitic?

Is ciriticism of Russia also prohibited and anti-Russian?

What if I criticise China's actions in Tibet and label them as aprtheid and racist or fascist? Am I anti-sinotic?



(another question with a question mark at the end - I hope you dont missinterpret this question as me putting words in your mouth)
 
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Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

Klown said:
How is asking you whether you agree with something putting words in your mouth?

Did you notice the question mark at the end?

For someone who neither agrees and disagrees with the draconian Law in california, you do seem to be very interested in the outcome of such a law

Are you in the USA?

(another question with a question mark at the end - I hope you dont missinterpret this question as me putting words in your mouth)
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Maybe you should look at the location she has listed under her avatar.
 
Dion said:
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There are crazy ass people in all countries and of all religions. Just like the Islamic fundamentalist that say and teach crazy **** ... we have our fair share.

Unfortunately the previous administration not only vocalized such ... they presided over such sematics. We had a former POTUS yammering about Holy War and Abu Ghraib and they have their crazy terrorists as well.

Yea ... let the crazy ass people like Westboro or the ass that is intentionally displaying hatred and pushing just right buttons have their free speech. Yet the patriotic loving citizens that are part of this beautiful country and have religious tolerance and do not have hateful hearts should also speak out and show we elect leaders who do not hold these nuts as anything other than hateful instigators.

No, we should not legislate any such thing and if that idiot wants to incite hatred and endanger our troops and citizens abroad ... that is his his hateful and ugly mindset.

Let all of us .... condemn the hatemongers on both sides trying to take us off the path of tolerance and making a better world by marginalizing them and let them be condemned by the majority of thoughtful, patriotic and loving people.
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This is the most common PC Mantra and Fallacy.
"We all have a few bad apples"...
and probably the biggest lie of the decade. (or 3)

Islam has Exponentially More bad apples, so many more in fact, Inherent in their religion.
This was just an extra bad week, but people die EVERY DAY in the name of Islam. That is, not just crimes committed by Muslims, but Crimes committed in the Name of Islam against other religions or other sects.

Someone is counting, at least the ones we even know about:
30 days only.
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks

There simply is nothing even close by any other religion. We do NOT all have a similar problem.
Not remotely.
Islam is a majority Literalist religion, (Unlike others) and literalist to a Holy Book Not Compatible with Western culture.

A Christian Fundamentalist is a Missionary, a Muslim Fundamentalist Kills him.
 
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nota bene said:
Maybe you should look at the location she has listed under her avatar.
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excellent suggestion

I hope that if I look up her location that I would not be putting words in her mouth

I would not want to make that critical error again - there could be an international incident that spirals out of control
 
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