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Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime? [W:636]

Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Muhammed a Crime?

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Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

Short answer, no.

Everyone should have the right to say what they want and pay the consequences. Good or bad.
 
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Ben K. said:
I remember as a wee nipper going to see the Phantom Menace in an Irish cinema. Upon learning that Anakin Skywalker was immaculately conceived, two elderly ladies stormed out in angry protest.

I was genuinely worried they would travel to America and burn Skywalker Ranch to the ground. In hindsight I wish they had.
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Did those ladies not know that Star Wars has a lot of religious themes interwoven into the series? I mean it's not like "the force" wasn't debated as an alegory for god since the '70s.
 
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Palpatine made him anyway, sheesh. Secret dark side power = super powerful force user baby get. "Dark magic" is not strictly immaculate conception.


NOW GRANTED, this plot point doesn't make a lot of sense. Why the Hutting Huttball Palpatine would create a super force user, then not just take the kid, adopt him, train him from birth to crush his enemies... oh well. Lucas must have been high on spice from Kessel at the time. Maybe why it's only stated with a smirk in the film but stated explicitly in the novel. Prequels yay!
 
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Like many others said, Hell no.

And bow down to their butthurt feelings? No, we won't be having any of that.
 
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LaMidRighter said:
Did those ladies not know that Star Wars has a lot of religious themes interwoven into the series? I mean it's not like "the force" wasn't debated as an alegory for god since the '70s.
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I think you're giving a couple of auld dears who grew up in 1950s ireland a tad too much credit. Not as much as given to George Lucas for his subtle as a football to the groin "allegory". Everyone else merely groaned. :2razz:
 
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TheGirlNextDoor said:
Short answer, no.

Everyone should have the right to say what they want and pay the consequences. Good or bad.
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The problem with Islam is person B pays the consequences for the actions of person A. This has much to do with their "collective" mentality. In Middle Eastern culture, group identity is more important than individual identity. They then assume all people embrace a group identity to the same degree as they do, project their way of seeing themselves upon Americans and hence feel justified in holding all Americans collectively responsible any individual American accountable. What we think of as blame-shifting, they see as holding "the collective" accountable.
 
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X Factor said:
At least they had the guts to vote. By my reading of several threads, there should be quite a few more "yes" votes than there currently are.
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Yeah, gotta admit that is true.
 
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Ben K. said:
I think you're giving a couple of auld dears who grew up in 1950s ireland a tad too much credit. Not as much as given to George Lucas for his subtle as a football to the groin "allegory". Everyone else merely groaned. :2razz:
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For a real groan, you should try using an American football instead of one of those round, checkered things you folks call the same. Ours have a hard, pointy end that can cause the sorts of groans the likes of which you may have never heard.
 
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Gardener said:
For a real groan, you should try using an American football instead of one of those round, checkered things you folks call the same. Ours have a hard, pointy end that can cause the sorts of groans the likes of which you may have never heard.
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That was the football to the groin I imagined. I've been the victim of all kind of offensive American cultural imperialism.

The Simpsons - Man Getting Hit By Football - YouTube
 
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Gardener said:
If you do wish to return the favor, just kindly send some nice fiddle music and a bit of whisky, please.
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It's already began. Your supposedly "Kenyan", "Muslim" president has been turned. Along with these, expect your crude football to be replaced by a real sport in hurling each sunday and a broadcast of the angelus at noon and 6pm daily on all networks.

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Ben K. said:
I think you're giving a couple of auld dears who grew up in 1950s ireland a tad too much credit. Not as much as given to George Lucas for his subtle as a football to the groin "allegory". Everyone else merely groaned. :2razz:
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Fair enough. I just would have thought that everybody already knew that, threw me for a loop.
 
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X Factor said:
It's funny, isn't it? He accuses me of being simplistic, yet assumes that your position must make you Christian. Lol. Btw, I really tried to avoid any value judgments in the way I phrased the question, but the responses I'm getting from some are really interesting. Why is this question so hard to answer?
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Short answer; when someone has a bias as to the outcome they want, they will try to twist the facts to accomplish said outcome. When an individual's desire and the proper law don't comply, lots of people want to find a loophole in the law and it's logic(first amendment in this case) whereas one who believes in the principles of that supreme law accept that they may not get the outcome they desire, but that is not as important as upholding the supreme principles of liberty.
 
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No way in f'ing hell.
 
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Ben K. said:
It's already began. Your supposedly "Kenyan", "Muslim" president has been turned. Along with these, expect your crude football to be replaced by a real sport in hurling each sunday and a broadcast of the angelus at noon and 6pm daily on all networks.

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If you ply me with enough Irish stout, I might just hurl, too,
 
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rocket88 said:
I'm not saying it's legally incitement. But to say that nobody knew this would happen...I mean, come on...

South Park and Family Guy routinely offend all religions. Nice try to make this about the horrible persecution you are under as a white Christian male.
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Sure, we know Muslims are idiots and can't control themselves, right? We all knew what would happen. :roll:
 
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Klown said:
I do agree with you on this point.

I notice that the state of California has introduced new laws which make any criticism of Israel as anti-Semitic that can result in a jail sentence.

You must be utterly furious at this legal development?
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I'm in California. Screw Israel.
 
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Gardener said:
Your basing your understanding of the word "incitement" upon the primitive reactions rather than anything actually qualifiable indicates you really do not understand what the word means - -especially from a legal standpoint.

Good grief -- South Park, Family Guy and other MAINSTREAM media here routinely offend Christians. I would suggest you call for the arrest of the writers and producers and see how far you get.
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So are the Religious Sunni Clerics to be held responsible?
 
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MMC said:
So are the Religious Sunni Clerics to be held responsible?
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We cannot do anything about the incitement overseas, but if you want to find some actual incitement, that's where you should look.
 
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Immortal Technique on Freedom of Speech. ;)
 
Re: Should The US Make Speech That's Critical or Disparaging of Mohammed a Crime?

Saw this posted on Facebook a few days ago…

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I don't know that the quote is genuine, but it is certainly true, and it is certainly relevant to this controversy. There is no safety in trying to appease evil savages who barely qualify as “human”; and no reason why the rights of civilized people should be abridged in even the least way in a futile attempt to do so.
 
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:2razz:.....;)
 
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Paschendale said:
Let me comment on the hate speech bit that was brought up earlier. The point about hate speech or fighting words is that they are calculated to bring about a violent reaction. That was the intent. From what I understand, this film was not meant as real academic critique. It was instead an insult, founded mainly in the religious bigotry of the creator. If he created a benign film, and the reaction was surprising and not at all what he intended to happen, then he has done nothing wrong. If instead he intentionally crafted an inflammatory and insulting piece, with no purpose other than to degrade and hurt people, then he is responsible for the current situation, and should be held accountable. Intent matters. No extra laws are necessary in this situation. We already hold people accountable for their calculated acts (including speech) that were intended to provoke a violent reaction.
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The problem here is what makes Islam special? No religion is free from ridicule, and the criticisms of every religion has been cruel and extremely harsh. Why should Islam get a pass? Because they have oversensitive murderers willing to cut the heads off of anyone who says an unkind word about their prophet? **** them. The majority of the human population has to deal with bigotry and prejudice in one form or another, radical Islam isn't special, and appeasing them by suppressing the freedom of speech is simply not an option.
 
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I'm coming off the fence and voting a resounding "no".

As the internet gets bigger and bigger, with billions of people from all over the world posting all kinds of things 24/7/365, if the ignorant a-holes in certain countries can't get over their own petty issues with what others do, they're never going to have enough time to kill all the people they hate.

I just wish we could bring all American diplomats and soldiers home so they are not the targets of such stupidity and ignorance.

We really do need to shut off all aide and remove all people in service to America from countries that have groups that behave that way.


It's a cryin shame that phuck-sticks in America can put the lives of other Americans at risk for such frivolous trash.
 
X Factor said:
Simple question (I hope it's obvious I mean the Prophet Muhammed, I just couldn't include that in the title due to space limitations)?
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Ummm, no. People need to grow up and accept that not everyone agrees with them, or perceives God as the same entity they envision it to be, or *not to be*, and that there is nothing wrong with disagreement in belief systems. One's god is a very personal thing, and if you're not secure enough with it, to keep from feeling offended or insecure when someone ridicules your beliefs, then your belief and/or faith should probably be questioned by you, yourself.
 
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