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Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?

Do you think Obama wants to redistribute wealth?


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As Captain Kaiser used to say," I wouldn't have nothing I could'nt feel sometime."

Money in money out, it's still money regardless of how it winds up in different people's pockets. It's a fact. Read the statistics. It proves the old adage that, " the rich get richer and the poor get poorer."
 
And the companies spend the money to pay their workers. It's called the economy.

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You mean companies spend money on issuing dividends and CEO bonuses
Workers wages and conditions have been pushed towards the sewer
It's a race to the bottom for the average worker
And of course, we know what US corporations mean by paying workers, they mean workers in third world countries were the wages are so low, you can't even see them
 
yes.. no matter how many time I say something factual and accurate... you will believe the opposite.

we know.


tax cuts are never wealth redistribution... please learn the definition of the terms you are attempting to argue.. please.

I can't help it if you are wrong. Wealth is "redistributed" WHENEVER you change the tax rate....whether its a tax increase or a tax cut. Sorry that the facts just don't mesh with your talking points. That's the problem with the right-wing......the facts are rarely if ever on your side.
 
What's to stop a group of people from manipulating things to their advantage and essentially rob people of their hard work. Some CEO's do terrible jobs, lose the company money, and still get payed bonuses care to explain how the "free market" is fair there?

Now you are talking about unions, not the employers.

you have that backward, imho.

You're looking at it in a mirror. Try looking at it straight on.
 
I can't help it if you are wrong. Wealth is "redistributed" WHENEVER you change the tax rate....


that is incorrect. although I like how you label your complete denial of objective reality a "fact". In order to REdistribute something, you first have to take it so that you can distribute it again. Money never taken cannot thus be redistributed.
 
What do you think and why would he want to do that?

Every politician, Republican or Democrat, wants to redistribute wealth. The only thing they disagree on is the method of doing so. Republicans believe it should be accomplished via trickle-down economics which translates into tax deductions and incentives for the rich. Democrats believe in setting minimum wage requirements among other things. Why? Because, according to the Federal Reserve, 98% of the nation's taxable wealth is held by the top 50% of wage earners while the bottom 50% only possesses 2%. This means that upward mobility is virtually null. If the upper echelons of society horde money to the degree that 48% of American income earners have no tax liability then there is a clear need to encourage redistribution of taxable wealth. Of course, Republicans and Democrats have another name for the redistribution of wealth when they aren't using the term to club each other on the campaign trail; job creation.
 
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that is incorrect. although I like how you label your complete denial of objective reality a "fact". In order to REdistribute something, you first have to take it so that you can distribute it again. Money never taken cannot thus be redistributed.
Sure it can....it happens all the time. You couldn't be more wrong.
 
Sure it can....it happens all the time. You couldn't be more wrong.

I will need a bit more evidence for me to give your statement any credibility
 
I haven't followed this thread, but I've done as much redistribution of wealth from others to us as we could without too much risk. This was mostly done with home sales and purchases.
It's clear that all governments are in the business of redistributing of wealth one direction or another. What is difficult to arrive at is fair distribution of wealth. We do it better, i.e. more fairly and more generally productive, in the US that in most other countries.
Redistribution of wealth - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
LOL....did you call it "wealth redistribution when Reagan asked the rich to pay their fair share?"....oops I forgot....probably not....he had a (R) behind his name.

Try as you may I don't think the situation when RR was president is the same as this stumblebum we have today as president...........Even someone as bias as you has to admit that.
 
:lol:.. actually, he's as right as one can possibly be.

bone up on your defintions , mang...


I guess if you don't understand basic math, then you might have a point. However, it doesn't take much more than common sense and an elementary understand of math to understand that increases and/or decreases in tax rates affect wealth distribution.
 
I guess if you don't understand basic math, then you might have a point. However, it doesn't take much more than common sense and an elementary understand of math to understand that increases and/or decreases in tax rates affect wealth distribution.

well, if it's just plain old simple math.. maybe you can show the class how a lower or higher tax rate = wealth redistribution...

go on ahead, 'esplain yoself..
 
let us start with the definition of wealth redistribution.
I haven't found a simple math formula for it.. so we'll have to stick to words.. in English.

Redistribution of wealth is the transfer of income, wealth or property from some individuals to others caused by a social mechanism such as taxation, monetary policies, welfare, nationalization, charity, divorce or tort law.[SUP][1][/SUP]

ok, let's break this down a bit...we'll start with the fist half of the definition.... the part that some here actively ignore.

"the transfer of income, wealth, or property from some individual to others."

do we all understand what "transfer" means?.. here, I can help with that too.

[h=2]trans·fer[/h]   [v. trans-fur, trans-fer; n., adj. trans-fer] verb, trans·ferred, trans·fer·ring, noun, adjective

verb (used with object) 1.to convey or remove from one place, person, etc., to another: He transferred the package from one hand to the other.


2.to cause to pass from one person to another, as thought, qualities, or power; transmit.


3.Law. to make over the possession or control of: to transfer a title to land.

4.to imprint, impress, or otherwise convey (a drawing, design, pattern, etc.) from one surface to another.

ok..with me so far.... redistribution is the taking of something ( wealth, we'll call it) from one individual in order to give it to another... but how do we get the wealth in order to give it to someone else?... well, that's explain in the 2nd half of the defintion

the second half :

"caused by a social mechanism such as taxation, monetary policies, welfare, nationalization, charity, divorce or tort law"

there, that's is how we get our hands on the wealth in order to give it to someone else.... money is taken from an individual.. through taxation, welfare, etc...then transferred to another person.



ok... that it.. simple english.

when a person argues that wealth redistribution is simply adjusting the tax rates... they are wrong.... more accurately, they are half wrong.
the got the mechanism correct, but complete ignored the "transfer from one individual to another" part.

when we speak of manipulating tax rates.. that's called.. "TAXING".. it doesn't matter if you raise of lower the rates... it's still simply a mechanism for confiscating wealth.
when we take the wealth of one person ( usually through "TAXING") and give it to another person( we call that the "TRANSFER").. that's what we call "wealth redistribution"

lowering taxes =/= wealth redistribution
raising taxes =/= wealth redistribution

in order to fit the definition of wealth redistribution.. a "TRANSFER" is necessary.... it's not optional, it's not suggested.... it is REQUIRED



sorry I wasn't able to explain this in terms of simple math.. I hope simple English suffices.
 
well, if it's just plain old simple math.. maybe you can show the class how a lower or higher tax rate = wealth redistribution...

go on ahead, 'esplain yoself..


Do you agree that 2+2=4?

If you tax someone at a higher rate then more money is taken in
If you tax someone at a lower rate less money is taken in.

Are you with me so far
Now...lets talk about tax cuts for the weathy. If you cut their tax rate it means that less money is taken in and thus the wealthy retain more = wealth redistribution in favor of the weathy.
If you in crease taxes on the wealthy....it means more money is taken in, they retain less = wealth redistribution against the wealthy.

See. It really isn't that difficult. Either case results in wealth redistribution. Its just that right-wings like to apply their talking points to one but not the other.
 
in order to fit the definition of wealth redistribution.. a "TRANSFER" is necessary.... it's not optional, it's not suggested.... it is REQUIRED

That's about as plain as it is possible to make it. However I predict your argument will not convince the authors of the defiantly vacuous arguments you are up against.
 
Those of you who waited until just this year to learn about how Politics works, and not while you were in Highschool, should not reply to this thread because if you don't know How wealth re-distribution works by now, you never will.
 
What do you think and why would he want to do that?

Well as wealth disparity has continued to grow under Obama as it has with previous Presidents. I would say measurably no, he does not want to redistribute wealth. Unless we're talking the status quo here where "wealth redistribution" means that we are taking more money out of the poor and middle class and aggregating it into the upper tiers of the upper class. Then yes, he does seem to support that form of "redistribution".
 
I voted Yes.

But not in the way most of his voters believe he does.
 
Do you agree that 2+2=4?

If you tax someone at a higher rate then more money is taken in
If you tax someone at a lower rate less money is taken in.

Are you with me so far
Now...lets talk about tax cuts for the weathy. If you cut their tax rate it means that less money is taken in and thus the wealthy retain more = wealth redistribution in favor of the weathy.
If you in crease taxes on the wealthy....it means more money is taken in, they retain less = wealth redistribution against the wealthy.

See. It really isn't that difficult. Either case results in wealth redistribution. Its just that right-wings like to apply their talking points to one but not the other.

you are incorrect yet again.

keeping more of your own money is not a transfer payment... no how, no way.
having more money taken from you is no a transfer payment either.
 
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