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How many properties (houses) do you think the Romneys own?

How many properties (houses) do you think the Romneys have?

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I would not hesitate to say this president is more successful than the last and done a decent job overall.

People talk about smaller government but it's not realistic every developed nation has a strong central government, and if the the national government literally spent only on military this would be a federation.

Interstates are not free, air ports are not free, schools are not free, safe food and drugs are not free, NASA is not free, the military is not free, social security is not free, talk about money not growing on trees.

What we can do is cut on waste. It's a huge and relatively simple problem when departments intentionally waste resources at the end of the fiscal year when they have surplus so they'd get the same (or a larger) budget next year.

We should reward departments for cutting costs while delivering the same results. We should hold people accountable to intentional waste to inflate the budget.
 
I'd rather him own lots of houses, pay lots of real estate taxes on them, buy lots of stuff to fill them, and hire lots of people to maintain them than send that money to the Cayman Islands or invest in companies overseas or wherever else it would otherwise go.
 
Best rebuttal to your "Oh look at me Im not a mindless partisan" offering...

The economy is what it is because outsourcing all decent paying jobs has not only put millions of working middleclass americans out of work but put many of them with no choice but to get unemployment and food stamps...Yanno bain type outsourcing...all you far righters want to blame ONLY 4 yrs of obama for everything that the rich and corporatists have done to this country in the last 20yrs that created this mess..all the while during the 20 yrs they shafted the rest of america for a buck...they had their federal taxs reduced by a full 50% wheres the trickle down ? there is none....now the far righter of the rich for the rich crowd...want to blame obama...medicare...social security and medicaid for ALL THE WOES and they tell us the way to fix all that is to screw everyone else and give them a tax cut....most of america isnt buying the teaparty nonesense anymore....

Yeah...you.

Very nicely once more...I am for and against policies of both parties...I call it like I see it and I believe it...whether or not you in your infinite rightwingerism likes it or not...so complain about what I believe all you want and its just as meaningless as the rest of your posts :)
 
This is how I make a living these days. I'm getting a little old for regular businesses so I decided to become a landlord.

I didn't mean to give the impression that these were all for my personal use. Of those 8 houses, I occupy one and my ex-wife occupies another. I rent out the other 6. They're all in the sane complex and I've paid every different price for them. The last 5 were irresistibly cheap. I rent them out way below market and my tenants love me (and will never move). I hope to buy a few more but NOTHING is for sale anymore since the banks quit repo-ing anything.


Gee, I thought we were doing well owning 3 homes. We use two and a family membor uses the other. One mortage for about 75% of one at 4%; and we wish we has bought it outright. You might think you're not rich and you might think owning 8 houses means nothing but I bet many would find that you ownership of homes does influence their judgement of you. We are a bit careful about telling people we own 3.
 
Homes are good conservative investments though it doesn't really stimulate the economy as much as investing in ground breaking research such as fusion or the I pad.

The point is people owning 15/8 or anything over 5 needs to realize the average american has only one or zero. You can't implement good policies without understanding the state of the nation and it's people and how they think.

I'm not saying Romney doesn't realize most people have 1 home.

Apple doesn't need anybody to invest in the IPad, their profit margin is ridiculous in comparison to most other multi-billion-a-quarter companies. They have plenty of money of their own to invest.

That said, what do you think happens to all the money the rich make?

Capital gains are based on investments. So a lot of that money Romney isn't spending is sitting in investment portfolios, being utilized in a number of funds and fields.

Aside from that, if he hadn't bought those houses then somebody else would have...or the land would have sat empty, or whatever. But those are multi-million dollar houses for the most part, which means a crap load of money was injected into the market in those 15 purchases. More money than you or I will inject in our lifetimes, I'm guessing. So who cares if the rest of us probably "only have one or zero"? I thought it was all about the economy, so any legitimate endeavor that benefits the economy should be lauded, right? I still think this entire thread is pointless.
 
Who the F#$% cares?

I hope he has a dozen houses... good for him.... we live in a country where each of us can do that... Jealous? Go get some.


Everyone has the opportunity to be the best they are capable of being.
 
Apple doesn't need anybody to invest in the IPad, their profit margin is ridiculous in comparison to most other multi-billion-a-quarter companies. They have plenty of money of their own to invest.

That said, what do you think happens to all the money the rich make?

Capital gains are based on investments. So a lot of that money Romney isn't spending is sitting in investment portfolios, being utilized in a number of funds and fields.

Aside from that, if he hadn't bought those houses then somebody else would have...or the land would have sat empty, or whatever. But those are multi-million dollar houses for the most part, which means a crap load of money was injected into the market in those 15 purchases. More money than you or I will inject in our lifetimes, I'm guessing. So who cares if the rest of us probably "only have one or zero"? I thought it was all about the economy, so any legitimate endeavor that benefits the economy should be lauded, right? I still think this entire thread is pointless.

It is not about the economy. It is about control.
 
I'd rather him own lots of houses, pay lots of real estate taxes on them, buy lots of stuff to fill them, and hire lots of people to maintain them than send that money to the Cayman Islands or invest in companies overseas or wherever else it would otherwise go.

well put

have to type at least 10 words to post
 
Under Bush, I was very much against the medicare/medicaid debacle and the No Child Left Behind and the deficit spending. Under Obama I am very much against the tax policies, deficit spending and Obamacare. They all have a singular driving theme...I want a smaller government that fits within the Constitution. But you didn't answer my question...would you define this President as successful?


Look bush created teh huge prescription drug plan to protect big pharma who was under assault by all americans for their price gouging and it became common knowledge they were selling canadians the same drugs that we were paying 200-300-up to 700% more for and there was huge pressure to allow americans to buy drugs from canada....bush passed the drug program to protect them...and conveniently he put in that bill a clause that THE GOVT COULD NOT NEGOTIATE FOR CHEAPER PRICES for all intents had to accept whatever price big pharma demanded...but lets not stop there ok...humor me by answering a couple of questions for me...

1. For every job outsourced where does that american who lost that job work.
2. Has unemployment risen dramatically as outsourcing continued
3. Where do you expect all those americans out of work to find work that pay enough to support the standard of living they had. Or to even make enough to meet their responsibilities.
This last one is going to be the tough one..

Do you deny that the Federal tax rate for the top 2% of the rich and corporations has been cut fully in half since 1982. Do you deny that the capitol gains and inheritance taxs have been cut deeply...

If theres trickle down like all the conservatives keep telling america...why is it that while they were enjoying HUGE tax cuts and huge profits from outsourcing and they got fabulously richer and the middleclass not only got far smaller but their incomes stagnated and they lost pensions and health benefits..Companies said they could no longer afford them while making fabulous profits. The poor and working poor numbers have grown largely during the same period of SUPER prosperity for the top 2% and corporations.

Now..The teaparty conservatives want me to believe...that its all my fault...Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are the VILLAINS that have cause all the malais this country has going on...the economy is in the tank because of medicare...were in debt because of medicare...and the only way to fix it...is to give vouchers which they KNOW WILL KILL MEDICARE and thats the purpose...raise the age and lower the amount of payout for social security...and of course give another HUGE TAX CUT to the top 2% which of course includes romney and ryan and all the corporations..so they can create uhhhh what?? more trickle down...
Sorry Ksu...Im not buying any of it.....When the teaparty far right decides to sit down and work out some real compromises that shares the pain and makes reasonable and realistic cuts to entitlements. I dont want any TAX HIKES even on the rich...cut the loopholes that allow them to pay in many instances NOTHING and near nothing....romney wont show all his tax returns because he CANT...the rich would kill him for showing america just how little the rich really pay in percentages...the tax rate is MEANINGLESS they dont pay anywhere near it....its a big confidence game at working americas expense

Ksu Aviator Scott Van Duzer, the Obama hugger: Shop facing boycott - Kevin Cirilli - POLITICO.com
 
I hope they own a ****-ton of properties. They're wealthy. What's wrong with that?
 
Little fun fact, take a guess.

"I'll get back to you on the real answer"

I'll reveal the answer on page 2.
Hopefully it will be one more in January (the white house).
 
:lamo I'll arbitrarily take away the vast majority of his charitable donations to prove he's cheap.

Charity implys choice. All mormon are required to give 10% of their income to the Mormon church evey year in order to remain in the church. It's like God's income tax to Mitters, not charity. The Church takes it seriously too, all the faithful must submit their Federal income tax forms to verify that they aren't cheating the Lord. That doesn't sound like "charity" does it?
 
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Look bush created teh huge prescription drug plan to protect big pharma who was under assault by all americans for their price gouging and it became common knowledge they were selling canadians the same drugs that we were paying 200-300-up to 700% more for and there was huge pressure to allow americans to buy drugs from canada....bush passed the drug program to protect them...and conveniently he put in that bill a clause that THE GOVT COULD NOT NEGOTIATE FOR CHEAPER PRICES for all intents had to accept whatever price big pharma demanded...but lets not stop there ok...humor me by answering a couple of questions for me...

1. For every job outsourced where does that american who lost that job work.
2. Has unemployment risen dramatically as outsourcing continued
3. Where do you expect all those americans out of work to find work that pay enough to support the standard of living they had. Or to even make enough to meet their responsibilities.
This last one is going to be the tough one..

Do you deny that the Federal tax rate for the top 2% of the rich and corporations has been cut fully in half since 1982. Do you deny that the capitol gains and inheritance taxs have been cut deeply...

If theres trickle down like all the conservatives keep telling america...why is it that while they were enjoying HUGE tax cuts and huge profits from outsourcing and they got fabulously richer and the middleclass not only got far smaller but their incomes stagnated and they lost pensions and health benefits..Companies said they could no longer afford them while making fabulous profits. The poor and working poor numbers have grown largely during the same period of SUPER prosperity for the top 2% and corporations.

Now..The teaparty conservatives want me to believe...that its all my fault...Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are the VILLAINS that have cause all the malais this country has going on...the economy is in the tank because of medicare...were in debt because of medicare...and the only way to fix it...is to give vouchers which they KNOW WILL KILL MEDICARE and thats the purpose...raise the age and lower the amount of payout for social security...and of course give another HUGE TAX CUT to the top 2% which of course includes romney and ryan and all the corporations..so they can create uhhhh what?? more trickle down...
Sorry Ksu...Im not buying any of it.....When the teaparty far right decides to sit down and work out some real compromises that shares the pain and makes reasonable and realistic cuts to entitlements. I dont want any TAX HIKES even on the rich...cut the loopholes that allow them to pay in many instances NOTHING and near nothing....romney wont show all his tax returns because he CANT...the rich would kill him for showing america just how little the rich really pay in percentages...the tax rate is MEANINGLESS they dont pay anywhere near it....its a big confidence game at working americas expense

Ksu Aviator Scott Van Duzer, the Obama hugger: Shop facing boycott - Kevin Cirilli - POLITICO.com

OH, great!!

And here we go with the big deflection post of the thread.

Someone had to do it, right lpast?
 
seems rather common for unsuccessful people to believe successful people got their money through theft nowadays...and ,sadly, that mindset with be a very large impediment to their own success.

This mindset has become much more widespread since Obama came into office. Given his tactics of class warfare, it's not surprising why.
 
First, forgive me if I don't address each point directly, but you are all over the place here and I'm trying to connect the dots, but some of the jumps in logic are awfully big.

Look bush created teh huge prescription drug plan to protect big pharma who was under assault by all americans for their price gouging and it became common knowledge they were selling canadians the same drugs that we were paying 200-300-up to 700% more for and there was huge pressure to allow americans to buy drugs from canada....bush passed the drug program to protect them...and conveniently he put in that bill a clause that THE GOVT COULD NOT NEGOTIATE FOR CHEAPER PRICES for all intents had to accept whatever price big pharma demanded...but lets not stop there ok...humor me by answering a couple of questions for me...

Did I not say I was against the Medicare/Medicaid debacle? I'm pretty sure I did, so I don't understand why this rant was necessary.

1. For every job outsourced where does that american who lost that job work.

Didn't I make it clear that I think outsourcing is bad? Didn't I say I supported a plan that would bring jobs back home?

2. Has unemployment risen dramatically as outsourcing continued

Outsourcing became an issue in the 80's and has been an issue through today. So no, unemployment has not risen dramatically as a result of outsourcing. Manufacturing has dropped dramatically, taking with it better paying jobs that would have helped drive up the median wage...thank the first Bush for NAFTA and wish you had support Perot.

3. Where do you expect all those americans out of work to find work that pay enough to support the standard of living they had. Or to even make enough to meet their responsibilities.
This last one is going to be the tough one..

Well...ya...it is is a tough one because you seem to expect me to generalize what an entire population will do with regards to work when each individual has a unique set of skills. Further, it is not my job, nor the job of the government to regulate that...so why should I care?

Do you deny that the Federal tax rate for the top 2% of the rich and corporations has been cut fully in half since 1982. Do you deny that the capitol gains and inheritance taxs have been cut deeply...

Yes. In 1982 the top rate was 50% and today it is 35%. Historical Top Tax Rate And, since 1982 the tax burden has shifted to the highest tax bracket having been 55% in 1982 and 69% in 2007. http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/Tax_liability_Shares.pdf

If theres trickle down like all the conservatives keep telling america...why is it that while they were enjoying HUGE tax cuts and huge profits from outsourcing and they got fabulously richer and the middleclass not only got far smaller but their incomes stagnated and they lost pensions and health benefits..Companies said they could no longer afford them while making fabulous profits. The poor and working poor numbers have grown largely during the same period of SUPER prosperity for the top 2% and corporations.

Which corporations are you talking about? American Airlines who is in bankruptcy? GM? Chrysler? To me, this sounds more like a rant against anyone with money rather than a well thought out political/social/economics theory. Further, none of this is related to anything that is being discussed here.

Now..The teaparty conservatives want me to believe...that its all my fault...

Yes. It is just you. We all blame you and no one else. Are you President Obama?

Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid are the VILLAINS that have cause all the malais this country has going on...

Well, they are failing and wasting money like no one's business. SS is insolvent and Medicare is blowing up like balloon.


the economy is in the tank because of medicare...

It is? That's news to me.

were in debt because of medicare...

If you combine Medicare, SS and Welfare, they comprise over 60% of the budget...and lo and behold that's about the same amount of the deficit...huh...go figure.

and the only way to fix it...is to give vouchers which they KNOW WILL KILL MEDICARE and thats the purpose...

So you would recommend we keep a failing system?

raise the age and lower the amount of payout for social security...

I prefer Gingrich's idea. You should look into it. Other countries employed it and the need for SS disappeared. People didn't need the government any more.

and of course give another HUGE TAX CUT to the top 2% which of course includes romney and ryan and all the corporations..so they can create uhhhh what?? more trickle down...

Since 1982, the top rate has paid higher and higher percentage of the tax burden as a result of their cuts. And, since 1982, the US economy has seen tremendous growth. Had it not been for burdensome taxes on jobs, we would have really had a big boom.

Sorry Ksu...Im not buying any of it.....

You don't have to, doesn't mean it isn't true.

When the teaparty far right decides to sit down and work out some real compromises that shares the pain and makes reasonable and realistic cuts to entitlements.

You'll what?

I dont want any TAX HIKES even on the rich...cut the loopholes that allow them to pay in many instances NOTHING and near nothing....romney wont show all his tax returns because he CANT...the rich would kill him for showing america just how little the rich really pay in percentages...the tax rate is MEANINGLESS they dont pay anywhere near it....its a big confidence game at working americas expense

Umm...increasing tax liability for the same wages is a tax increase, even if you call it a loop hole.


Politico? Really? And what does a pizza place owner hugging the president have to do with anything?
 
I'm pretty sure that Romney is not forced to do anything. With his political ambitions, he could have copped out and become some other Christian format.

The only God there is might be the force that created the universe. This force is not watching you and it does not think like you. It neither knows nor cares that one of the quintillions of chunks of matter ended up over here. Smart people know this but they also desire a God-type relationship. It provides something for them. In order to believe in communal form, you pick one fantastical story-line over another and go with it.

For whatever reason, our laws say that donating to a religion is an act of charity and can not be taxed. I think all religions are businesses and should pay tax but my opinion is besides the point. For now, so it is.


Charity implys choice. All mormon are required to give 10% of their income to the Mormon church evey year in order to remain in the church. It's like God's income tax to Mitters, not charity. The Church takes it seriously too, all the faithful must submit their Federal income tax forms to verify that they aren't cheating the Lord. That doesn't sound like "charity" does it?
 
We have what we have and he is by far the better choice. There is no question that the last four years could not have gone much worse, nor could a president have done much more to sabotage an economy. He raised taxes on the middle class, drove up business costs and increased the cost of health care while reducing accessibility through the unAffordable Health Care Act. He drove up inflation through QE1 and QE2. He created uncertainty in energy markets by threatening cap and trade and not approving off shore drilling. He killed jobs by not approving the pipeline from Canada to Texas. He has never once proposed a budget that got one single vote. He never addressed the deficit. Obama has been the definition of failure.

LOL Ask the Europeans who were recovering from the Bush Recession also. They WERE recovering until their politicians imposed austerity budgets and they fell back into recession 6 months ago.
That's what Romney plans to do also. Put us back in recession, then cut taxes, increase the defense budget and balloon the deficit. It like clockwork, every Republican ever elected has a recession in his 1st term. Not this time, he won't get the chance.
Obama's policies have kept us growing the fastest of any Western nation against a uncooperative Congress and a recession in Europe, our largest export goods market
 
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This mindset has become much more widespread since Obama came into office. Given his tactics of class warfare, it's not surprising why.

Hmm, Let's think about something else that happened in the last 4 years that might have given some the impression that the rich get their money through theft?
Could this have something to do with it?

 
LOL Ask the Europeans who were recovering from the Bush Recession also. They WERE recovering until their politicians imposed austerity budgets and they fell back into recession 6 months ago.
That's what Romney plans to do also. Put us back in recession, then cut taxes, increase the defense budget and balloon the deficit. It like clockwork, every Republican ever elected has a recession in his 1st term. Not this time, he won't get the chance.
Obama's policies have kept us growing the fastest of any Western nation against a uncooperative Congress and a recession in Europe, our largest export goods market

We never left the recession. Yes there has been "growth", but that growth has been outpaced by population increase leaving the reality of the recession in its wake. Fortunately we have a real life study to show us just what will happen: Russia - Economic Reform in the 1990s We are not as bad off as Russia was, so we won't see the same problems. Inflation, for one, won't occur because the government doesn't have strict price controls. In the end, our economy will be better off with out the government's interference. It works. It was proven.

By the way, which do you think is worse? Total government collapse or a short term recession followed by long term recovery.
 
We never left the recession. Yes there has been "growth", but that growth has been outpaced by population increase leaving the reality of the recession in its wake. Fortunately we have a real life study to show us just what will happen: Russia - Economic Reform in the 1990s We are not as bad off as Russia was, so we won't see the same problems. Inflation, for one, won't occur because the government doesn't have strict price controls. In the end, our economy will be better off with out the government's interference. It works. It was proven.

By the way, which do you think is worse? Total government collapse or a short term recession followed by long term recovery.


You want us to use Soviet Russia with it's President for life Putin and his KGB friends as an example?
No thanks, Romney said Russia was our worst enemy and now I believe him. They have already infiltrated this message board.
And No thanks to another recession too....Comrade
But thanks for agreeing with me that Romney would give us one.
 
Charity implys choice. All mormon are required to give 10% of their income to the Mormon church evey year in order to remain in the church. It's like God's income tax to Mitters, not charity. The Church takes it seriously too, all the faithful must submit their Federal income tax forms to verify that they aren't cheating the Lord. That doesn't sound like "charity" does it?

He has a choice to be a Mormon :roll:
 
Hmm, Let's think about something else that happened in the last 4 years that might have given some the impression that the rich get their money through theft?
Could this have something to do with it?



What does this video have to do with the rich?
 
Where was the TARP money going, the poor?

It was helping everyone...from the poor to the rich.

But, hey...I know you only focus on the rich for your class envy. You are a liberal, after all.
 
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