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How many properties (houses) do you think the Romneys own?

How many properties (houses) do you think the Romneys have?

  • 0

    Votes: 3 15.0%

  • 1

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • 2

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • 3

    Votes: 1 5.0%

  • 4

    Votes: 1 5.0%

  • 5-9

    Votes: 6 30.0%

  • 10-14

    Votes: 1 5.0%

  • 15-19

    Votes: 2 10.0%

  • 20+

    Votes: 1 5.0%

  • "I think — I'll have my staff get to you,"

    Votes: 5 25.0%
  • Total voters
    20
  • Poll closed .
ksu_aviator said:
First, forgive me if I don't address each point directly, but you are all over the place here and I'm trying to connect the dots, but some of the jumps in logic are awfully big.



Did I not say I was against the Medicare/Medicaid debacle? I'm pretty sure I did, so I don't understand why this rant was necessary.



Didn't I make it clear that I think outsourcing is bad? Didn't I say I supported a plan that would bring jobs back home?



Outsourcing became an issue in the 80's and has been an issue through today. So no, unemployment has not risen dramatically as a result of outsourcing. Manufacturing has dropped dramatically, taking with it better paying jobs that would have helped drive up the median wage...thank the first Bush for NAFTA and wish you had support Perot.



Well...ya...it is is a tough one because you seem to expect me to generalize what an entire population will do with regards to work when each individual has a unique set of skills. Further, it is not my job, nor the job of the government to regulate that...so why should I care?



Yes. In 1982 the top rate was 50% and today it is 35%. Historical Top Tax Rate And, since 1982 the tax burden has shifted to the highest tax bracket having been 55% in 1982 and 69% in 2007. http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/attachments/Tax_liability_Shares.pdf



Which corporations are you talking about? American Airlines who is in bankruptcy? GM? Chrysler? To me, this sounds more like a rant against anyone with money rather than a well thought out political/social/economics theory. Further, none of this is related to anything that is being discussed here.



Yes. It is just you. We all blame you and no one else. Are you President Obama?



Well, they are failing and wasting money like no one's business. SS is insolvent and Medicare is blowing up like balloon.




It is? That's news to me.



If you combine Medicare, SS and Welfare, they comprise over 60% of the budget...and lo and behold that's about the same amount of the deficit...huh...go figure.



So you would recommend we keep a failing system?



I prefer Gingrich's idea. You should look into it. Other countries employed it and the need for SS disappeared. People didn't need the government any more.



Since 1982, the top rate has paid higher and higher percentage of the tax burden as a result of their cuts. And, since 1982, the US economy has seen tremendous growth. Had it not been for burdensome taxes on jobs, we would have really had a big boom.



You don't have to, doesn't mean it isn't true.



You'll what?



Umm...increasing tax liability for the same wages is a tax increase, even if you call it a loop hole.



Politico? Really? And what does a pizza place owner hugging the president have to do with anything?
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I should have said 1981 it was 70% now its 35% cut fully in half. The question remains that the more corporations outsource livable wage jobs the more americans are going to need public subsistence to survive.
You didnt address why I as a working american should support Ryans Plan to cut all entitlements and start a voucher opt out program that assures the demise of medicare <by design> and to give ONLY the top 2% and corporations another big tax cut.
 
lpast said:
I should have said 1981 it was 70% now its 35% cut fully in half. The question remains that the more corporations outsource livable wage jobs the more americans are going to need public subsistence to survive.
You didnt address why I as a working american should support Ryans Plan to cut all entitlements and start a voucher opt out program that assures the demise of medicare <by design> and to give ONLY the top 2% and corporations another big tax cut.
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Baiting only works if someone bites
 
iguanaman said:
I believe he was born and raised a Mormon that's really not much of a choice.
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I was born and raised Catholic. I am no longer Catholic. Amazing how choices work. :roll:
 
iguanaman said:
Charity implys choice. All mormon are required to give 10% of their income to the Mormon church evey year in order to remain in the church. It's like God's income tax to Mitters, not charity. The Church takes it seriously too, all the faithful must submit their Federal income tax forms to verify that they aren't cheating the Lord. That doesn't sound like "charity" does it?
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I don't think that's totally factual. I found an article (link below) that says only 79% of Mormons tithe at church. And I can find nothing that speaks of "kicking them out" if they don't tithe.

A recent poll by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life found that 79 percent of Mormons said they tithed to their church, a much higher percentage than in the Catholic and Protestant world.
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Religion News Service | Ethics | Money & Giving | Yes, Mormons tithe, but most others don’t

And this says "are expected to" but not "are required to"....and comes directly from a link via the LDS website.

FAQ | Mormon.org

So are you just unaware of the actual rules, or are your posts dishonest distortions designed to discredit Romney?
 
iguanaman said:
I don't consider his Mormon church tithing obligation charity, take that away and he's pretty much a skinflint for someone with his fortune.
Romney hasn't spent over $250 million of his income so how can you say he spends it ? He spends a small % and socks the rest away. Romney along with the rest of the top 5% have socked away over $40 Trillion and counting. It is unsustainable. We are a consumer economy and we need people to spend more than 10% of their income or it all comes tumbling down.
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Bitch that he spends it and bitch that he doesn't.
 
iguanaman said:
I don't consider his Mormon church tithing obligation charity, take that away and he's pretty much a skinflint for someone with his fortune.
Romney hasn't spent over $250 million of his income so how can you say he spends it ? He spends a small % and socks the rest away. Romney along with the rest of the top 5% have socked away over $40 Trillion and counting. It is unsustainable. We are a consumer economy and we need people to spend more than 10% of their income or it all comes tumbling down.
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Stressing his "Mormon" tithing is a constant religious prejudice Democrats push.

If $40 trillion was dumped into the economy the level if inflate would collapse the economy.
 
iguanaman said:
Charity implys choice. All mormon are required to give 10% of their income to the Mormon church evey year in order to remain in the church. It's like God's income tax to Mitters, not charity. The Church takes it seriously too, all the faithful must submit their Federal income tax forms to verify that they aren't cheating the Lord. That doesn't sound like "charity" does it?
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A Republican strategist I know predicted that Democrats would increasingly attack Romney for being a Mormon and he was correct.
 
There is no allegation that Romney used is political position for an inside deal to by property at a fraction the costs, which is exactly what Obama did.
 
iguanaman said:
You want us to use Soviet Russia with it's President for life Putin and his KGB friends as an example?
No thanks, Romney said Russia was our worst enemy and now I believe him. They have already infiltrated this message board.
And No thanks to another recession too....Comrade
But thanks for agreeing with me that Romney would give us one.
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Romney won't. He's not going to make the cuts deep enough. But Obama will give us a collapse. It is inevitable. I'm not even so sure Romney won't take us to the collapse. I just think Romney will delay it where as Obama will accelerate it.
 
Goshin said:
Oh, if I had the money I'd buy 15 houses just to piss off the haters. :mrgreen:

Nah, not really.... four or five maybe....

;)
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Nah, I like real estate as an investment. If I could get several houses that I could put out to rent... :) I'd be a happy cpwill.
 
joko104 said:
A Republican strategist I know predicted that Democrats would increasingly attack Romney for being a Mormon and he was correct.
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I brought this up months ago and democrats were pissed off at the very notion, and swore up and down it wouldn't happen.
 
lpast said:
I should have said 1981 it was 70% now its 35% cut fully in half.
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Actually, it was 69%...but that isn't important, the important part is that you just ignored the fact that the lower the top end rate gets, the greater their share of the tax burden becomes. So if you want to get more money from the rich, cut their taxes.

The question remains that the more corporations outsource livable wage jobs the more americans are going to need public subsistence to survive.
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Still ignoring why jobs are being outsourced? U.S. Firms Move Abroad to Cut Taxes - WSJ.com If you want jobs to come back, you have to lower taxes. There is just no two ways about it.

You didnt address why I as a working american should support Ryans Plan to cut all entitlements and start a voucher opt out program that assures the demise of medicare <by design> and to give ONLY the top 2% and corporations another big tax cut.
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Why should we fix Medicare? Are you kidding? Grim news on Social Security and Medicare, but who's listening? - Chicago Tribune

I thought everyone knew Medicare and Social Security are on the down and out. Would you rather continue to blast straight ahead into total government failure or fix what we have now (with some pain involved) to insure the governments viability? The biggest problem with our health care system is third party payers (i.e. government and insurance). So, Romney is adopting the bipartisan Ryan-Wyden plan. Medicare | Mitt Romney for President
 
shiang said:
TBH I don't like Nancy Pelosi much either, she tends to yap and complain too much and as speaker thought she was more powerful and liked than she really was. As for Ried he's not that rich, and of all the politicians lets say there's a lot of people I like less than him.
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How rich is "not that rich", exactly?

Harry Reid was born in a shack with no plumbing, spent about 5 minutes in the private sector, and makes a Senate salary of less than $200,000.
He also has a net worth of more than $5 million dollars. The shrieking leftists seem to have a problem with Romney's wealth and the manner in which it was acquired, does anyone wonder where all Reid's money came from? Yeah, I didn't think so. How many houses does Reid own?

Then we have Nancy Pelosi, who made as much as $5 million dollars on outsourcing just last year. If you lefties want to hate on capitalism, investing, and offshoring, you really should look into Pelosi and her husband. LOTS to complain about there. How many houses does she own?

Then we have Debbie Wasserman Schultz, flaming hypocrite and compulsive liar (and therefore a model Democrat), who has money in Swiss bank Accounts and invests overseas!!! GASP!!! How many houses does she own?

Personally speaking, I couldn't possibly care less how many houses any of them own. If they are successful, good for them. Wealth is a GOOD thing, something to work towards, not something to be hated and envied.

In The Real World you don't get a shiny "participant" sticker, there are winners and losers.
The winners are out there busting their humps and getting ahead. The losers are whining and complaining.
 
MaggieD said:
If you're unhappy by the distance between your own self and Romney? Get a better education. Take some risks. Get a second job. Or, more likely? Get a first one.
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You are aware that some of the most successful people ever, are those that did not get a degree? And I am not talking about the likes of Bill Gates. I mean the guy who created Aldi or Vanderbilt or the thousands like them? They don't have degrees and they are earning just as much-if not more-than most peeps with degrees.

What pays off in the end? Taking risks and being competent.
 
VanceMack said:
You are a joke. Before Romney became the candidate you couldnt spell Bain if I spotted you the B and the N. Today Bain is the root of all evil. Meanwhile you completely ignore the GM bailout and reorg and jobs shipped overseas, dealers forced to shut down, non union employees thrown under the bus, or good ol Obamas buddy Jeffrey Imelt and where he is talking a whole butload of GE jobs.

Know whats wrong with the country? People like you. Blind partisan hacks.
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I wanted to give you a like. But I wasn't too sure if you yourself are not a partisan hack. That is the problem with this country. Somehow politics divides us when both sides screw the ENTIRE country. It just makes no sense to me. To an outsider he or she is probably thinking we are all insane cause it makes no sense.
 
Running said:
You are aware that some of the most successful people ever, are those that did not get a degree? And I am not talking about the likes of Bill Gates. I mean the guy who created Aldi or Vanderbilt or the thousands like them? They don't have degrees and they are earning just as much-if not more-than most peeps with degrees.

What pays off in the end? Taking risks and being competent.
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Education does not necessarily equate to a degree. Only those with well developed skills and knowledge are well equipped to succeed. Some will achieve success by dumb luck, but it's hard to argue that Bill Gates didn't have exposure to educational resources in and out of school that aided in his ability to develop, market, and successfully sell millions of computers using his OS.
 
Running said:
I wanted to give you a like. But I wasn't too sure if you yourself are not a partisan hack. That is the problem with this country. Somehow politics divides us when both sides screw the ENTIRE country. It just makes no sense to me. To an outsider he or she is probably thinking we are all insane cause it makes no sense.
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I am...I am conservative and vote Libertarian. I left the GOP because of Bush and the wreckless spending the GOP has engaged in. I fault Bush for his failings post war in both Iraq and Afghanistan. I believe in healthcare reform at the state level, allowing states to set their own laws regarding drug legalization. I expect the states to manage their own fiscal needs and believe all government social spending with the exception of SS should be ended. I believe all foreign financial aid should be terminated and that money should be reinvested in US agro assets, farming, textiles, canning, etc and that biproduct should be used for Americas poor and foreign assistance. I believe immigration reform is a must. I bang on Obama because he has actually BEEN the president for 4 years. I dont go after Romney so much because a-I would never vote for him and b-I cant imagine he will EVER be president. There are a ton of reasons to NOT support the guy but primarily, I dont trust a word that comes out of his mouth. So...yeah...I will vote pretty much straight third party candidates. I reckon that makes me a hack.
 
cpwill said:
I brought this up months ago and democrats were pissed off at the very notion, and swore up and down it wouldn't happen.
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If there is any group balking at Romney's oddball religion it is the evangelists not the Dems. Calling Romney a generous philanthropist for paying his tithe is going too far though.
 
VanceMack said:
I am...I am conservative and vote Libertarian. I left the GOP because of Bush and the wreckless spending the GOP has engaged in. I fault Bush for his failings post war in both Iraq and Afghanistan. I believe in healthcare reform at the state level, allowing states to set their own laws regarding drug legalization. I expect the states to manage their own fiscal needs and believe all government social spending with the exception of SS should be ended. I believe all foreign financial aid should be terminated and that money should be reinvested in US agro assets, farming, textiles, canning, etc and that biproduct should be used for Americas poor and foreign assistance. I believe immigration reform is a must. I bang on Obama because he has actually BEEN the president for 4 years. I dont go after Romney so much because a-I would never vote for him and b-I cant imagine he will EVER be president. There are a ton of reasons to NOT support the guy but primarily, I dont trust a word that comes out of his mouth. So...yeah...I will vote pretty much straight third party candidates. I reckon that makes me a hack.
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You sound more like a "Bircher" than a hack. You are right about Romney though, he's a 2 faced loser.
 
iguanaman said:
You sound more like a "Bircher" than a hack. You are right about Romney though, he's a 2 faced loser.
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He cant even remain constant on his main selling point...the repeal of Obamacare. If he had an ounce of integrity he would simply tout 'Romneycare' as a model for states to pursue, individually, if they choose. Instead, he caves on issues based on nothing but political expediency.
 
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