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Is Obama a Socialist or a Communist?

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Frankly, Jet, I don't even know anymore myself. I am so confused about this election cycle, I'm fuddled. I'm starting to question every thought I've ever had about both of these guys, frankly.

You can thank both parties for that. Not the normal "both parties are bad" thought but it's this "team" mentality has really gone over the edge, and it's quite detrimental to the health of the country as a whole. It's honestly the #1 threat to this country, and everyone is buying into it more and more :(. The more the team mentality is advanced, the less actual honest debatable material comes out and the more hyperbolic statements come out of each side wanting to kill your grandma etc...
 
You can thank both parties for that. Not the normal "both parties are bad" thought but it's this "team" mentality has really gone over the edge, and it's quite detrimental to the health of the country as a whole. It's honestly the #1 threat to this country, and everyone is buying into it more and more :(. The more the team mentality is advanced, the less actual honest debatable material comes out and the more hyperbolic statements come out of each side wanting to kill your grandma etc...

Agreed.

Now I must tell you that today, for the first time, I took the time to figure out your user name: Copacetic. All this time, as I glanced at it, I thought it was Kaopectate. Just an odd rambling....glad I finally figured it out.
 
Agreed.

Now I must tell you that today, for the first time, I took the time to figure out your user name: Copacetic. All this time, as I glanced at it, I thought it was Kaopectate. Just an odd rambling....glad I finally figured it out.

If he is full of catharsis, the other name might be useful actually.

Its a neat name I think, but of the way its spelled, it has multiple meanings.
 
Agreed.

Now I must tell you that today, for the first time, I took the time to figure out your user name: Copacetic. All this time, as I glanced at it, I thought it was Kaopectate. Just an odd rambling....glad I finally figured it out.

Hehe, good catch :). I thought the avatar went quite well with it and gave it context :).
 
Frankly, Jet, I don't even know anymore myself. I am so confused about this election cycle, I'm fuddled. I'm starting to question every thought I've ever had about both of these guys, frankly.

Ahh; you're cute. Yeah, I get so disgusted that I can hardly stand it anymore. I think that the Republican platform is too business minded: it's all business school profit stuff run amok as you say. The Dems are so weak that FDR would spin in his grave if saw what was going on. Hell, Elenore used to pack heat!!

There's just so much negative rhetoric that that's all we hear anymore: someone gets elected and then it's back to the sos: we either take a bath or we don't.

I can't wait for the day when both sides of voters start to band together. That's what they don't want.
 
You can thank both parties for that. Not the normal "both parties are bad" thought but it's this "team" mentality has really gone over the edge, and it's quite detrimental to the health of the country as a whole. It's honestly the #1 threat to this country, and everyone is buying into it more and more :(. The more the team mentality is advanced, the less actual honest debatable material comes out and the more hyperbolic statements come out of each side wanting to kill your grandma etc...

The truth is there is no possible way someone like myself can compromise with someone like Obama. Its also not in the interest any more for the republicans to comprimise as they have had to give up more and more of what they believe in over many decades of time and like always it gets to the point where you have to stop and stand your ground. Its no wonder they are there really.
 
Are you saying you believe the one term Marxist flexible president Barrack Hussein Obama lied to us in his ghost-written books?

wow more fantasy, again does this ever work on educated, rational, honest, objective, people?

nope Im saying the conclusions you draw are your opinions and nothing more, pretty simple to understand :shrug:
 
The poll question is one of those like, "when did you stop beating your wife?".
 
The poll question is one of those like, "when did you stop beating your wife?".

Pointing out how dumb it is was kind of spud's point.
 
That's an uninformed opinion.
Really? Do you think overturning bankruptcy laws so unions could be protected while bondholders were raped is embracing capitalism?
Do you think funneling billions of dollars into green businesses owned by supporters is not corrupt? Crony capitalism is not capitalism. It is political corruption.
Do you believe using the NLRB to prevent Boeing from opening a plant where it wants to is embracing capitalism? Of course it isn't. It too is political corruption.
 
wow more fantasy, again does this ever work on educated, rational, honest, objective, people?

nope Im saying the conclusions you draw are your opinions and nothing more, pretty simple to understand :shrug:
Okay. You are hardly objective. Time to move on to more fruitful endeavors.
 
Well, from the point of view of a socialist or communist, the two terms are intimately related. All capitalists are conservative because they seek to conserve inequality, exploitation and injustice. Of course there are different flavours of capitalist and of conservative, but neither Obama nor his right-wing opponents can claim that he is anything other than a capitalist, and hence a conservative too. He clearly wishes to retain and preserve traditional institutions such as the clearly corrupted and unrepresentative system of 'liberal democracy'. He also wishes to ensure that social change proceed along very incremental, gradualist lines. He has neither attempted nor even advocated anything remotely radical or revolutionary during his political career.

Okaaayyy...

Seeing as how I'm not a socialist or a communist...and I'm a conservative who has never contended that he is anything other than a capitalist...your whole screed applies to me not one bit. Perhaps you should be having this conversation with someone else?
 
He did win the first election didn't he? So shouldn't he be allowed to at least put forward his agenda? I mean when Bush was in there, he ran things far more like a dictator than Obama has.

When you win an election you get to run things the way you see fit. The people put you in there for a reason, not to pander to the other side and ask them like a big softy "what do you think we should do"
Sort of the way you Wisconsin lefties gave Scott Walker the space 'to run things the way he saw fit.' Please. You only want leaders to do things the way YOU see fit.
 
So in your world, people should solely be judged by the company they keep. Quick, someone tell Jesus...
If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, and grew up in the presence of many, many ducks, making the judgment that it is, in fact a duck, should not come so hard to you.

I know many people like you believe that the one term Marxist is the Messiah. he isn't. He is flexible if you happen to be V. Putin.
 
If it quacks like a duck, walks like a duck, and grew up in the presence of many, many ducks, making the judgment that it is, in fact a duck, should not come so hard to you.

No, because I am smart enough to realize that circumstantial evidence still needs traditional evidence to support it or else it becomes unfounded suspicion.

I know many people like you believe that the one term Marxist is the Messiah. he isn't. He is flexible if you happen to be V. Putin.

Actually I still haven't decided which person I am voting for, but this actually gives me a case to make a point about your paranoia.

You assume things that you don't necessarily know, as evidenced by your assumption that you know who I am voting for or who I support. Because you substitute opinion and assumption for fact, your paranoia seems reasonable to you and everyone else makes fun of you (yes, even many of the conservatives here).

In conclusion:

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Okaaayyy...

Seeing as how I'm not a socialist or a communist...and I'm a conservative who has never contended that he is anything other than a capitalist...your whole screed applies to me not one bit. Perhaps you should be having this conversation with someone else?

Since we are discussing Barack Obama, not Mycroft, what are you blathering about? I'm not remotely interested in your political identity.
 
No, because I am smart enough to realize that circumstantial evidence still needs traditional evidence to support it or else it becomes unfounded suspicion.
Okay. There is no shame in your inability to connect the obvious dots. Let's move on.
 
Really? Do you think overturning bankruptcy laws so unions could be protected while bondholders were raped is embracing capitalism?
Do you think funneling billions of dollars into green businesses owned by supporters is not corrupt? Crony capitalism is not capitalism. It is political corruption.
Do you believe using the NLRB to prevent Boeing from opening a plant where it wants to is embracing capitalism? Of course it isn't. It too is political corruption.

You have three things there.

Unions are made up of employees. Employees are not responsible for the sins of the companies. They also have contracts that are to be honored as well the way any contract is honored to best of teh ability at the time.

As for Boeing; they weren't getting what they wanted in negotiations so they used a threat which is illegal.

Nothing in your argument has anything to do with capitalism.
 
Wow! Someone here is ripe for the picking.
We, like the Former Soviet Union, have a written Constitution. I am sorry we decided to stop using it.

The one term Marxist flexible president Barrack Hussein Obama heads the Executive branch of the Federal government. He is a steward. He does not own us nor does he own the US. We are not his. He works for us.

And he needs to be sent along to play with the Great Prevaricator, the impeached president, BJ "Slick Willie" Clinton.

Good luck with that...
 
The truth is there is no possible way someone like myself can compromise with someone like Obama. Its also not in the interest any more for the republicans to comprimise as they have had to give up more and more of what they believe in over many decades of time and like always it gets to the point where you have to stop and stand your ground. Its no wonder they are there really.

That's pretty much the point of my post, the democrats feel the same way, because their politicians are telling them that they have been doing the same. That is the exact team mentality I'm talking about, "I'm obviously not a bad person, and I believe this, the other party is on the other side so obviously they're the bad ones and I've had to give up my good ideas to give into their bad ones."

This isn't a team sport, or at least it shouldn't be.
 
You have three things there.

Unions are made up of employees. Employees are not responsible for the sins of the companies. They also have contracts that are to be honored as well the way any contract is honored to best of teh ability at the time.

As for Boeing; they weren't getting what they wanted in negotiations so they used a threat which is illegal.

Nothing in your argument has anything to do with capitalism.
In other words you have nothing.

My arguments were about corruption. Some here mistakenly believe the one term Marxist embraces capitalism. He doesn't. The actions of his administration, including the three examples above illustrate my point.

This also shows me a great deal about you. Thanks for the insights.
 
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Okay. There is no shame in your inability to connect the obvious dots. Let's move on.

When I was a child, I was surrounded by people on drugs, failures at life, rejects, and other similar people in a very poor part of the country. For a time, my parents did drugs (all the way up until I was 21 or so, based on stories from my brother), they split up twice and got back together, my dad was abusive up until the second split up, and our home culture wasn't exactly the best as you can imagine.

Who am I today?
1. I am quite well off (so are my parents actually, but it came to them very late in life and I had to help them with it) and am above the top 20 percent of households (I made 8 an hour about 10 years ago for comparison) while still being in my early 30s.
2. I still live in a poor part of the country (rural georgia)
3. I do not do drugs, I don't even drink or smoke.
4. My wife and I have had a very solid marriage with only one time it being so bad that we even considered not sleeping in the same bedroom
5. My child is special needs child with autism and somehow I resist my frustration from being overwhelming enough to act out (and trust me, some days are worse than others)
6. My kids don't even cuss and our home culture is quite good despite challenges from point 5.

What you are growing up may or may not have anything to do with who you are as an adult, this is the perspective on which I look at your paranoia.
 
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