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Should We Pay for Sandra Fluke's Contraception?

Should we pay for Sandra Fluke's birth control?


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The catholics have no right to tell others what to do about HC.
They can yap all they want. Thats a right.
The jew working at a hospital they own has the right to be a jew AND to get full HC that they want.



Denying others HC is the right of no one. Louis the 16th had the right you think you have, and we know what happened to him.
Just stop. I was an agent, birth control is NOT healthcare unless it is PRESCRIBED by a doctor as MEDICALLY NECESSARY. That was already covered before the mandate, and anything else is an elective, I'm not entertaining your opinions on what people should be paid and what should be covered. I worked the industry, you read a blog.
 
After reading some of the comments over the last several days, I've come to the conclusion that I just don't know what the right thing to do would be. :confused: I want to make access to birth control easier, but I don't want insurance premiums to go through the roof because we're covering this, that and everything else; although I still don't see covering BC under HC insurance plans to be the HUGE problem that some seem to make it out to be.

Cost is irrelivant in this issue. it is about one person haveing CONTROL over anothers HC.
Justl ike employers love CONTROL over peoples HC, if I fire you, your family will die of lack of HC. That is the bat they hold over all USA citizens.
But this will be eliminated by there own greed when the ACA kicks in. They will dump everyone on to exchanges and then they lose all control.

the catholics as owners of hospitals use this employer power for religious reasons to control others.....and deny them birth control.
 
Cost is irrelivant in this issue. it is about one person haveing CONTROL over anothers HC.
Justl ike employers love CONTROL over peoples HC, if I fire you, your family will die of lack of HC. That is the bat they hold over all USA citizens.
But this will be eliminated by there own greed when the ACA kicks in. They will dump everyone on to exchanges and then they lose all control.

the catholics as owners of hospitals use this employer power for religious reasons to control others.....and deny them birth control.
Cost is irrelevent? Cost is NEVER irrelevent in business.
 
Just stop. I was an agent, birth control is NOT healthcare unless it is PRESCRIBED by a doctor as MEDICALLY NECESSARY. That was already covered before the mandate, and anything else is an elective, I'm not entertaining your opinions on what people should be paid and what should be covered. I worked the industry, you read a blog.

Yes it is HC. And the Dr is not involved in the decision to have a kid or not. Only the couple is. He just makes sure the pill will not have adverse effects.

This comment exposes your lack of WHO IS IN CONTROL of their body.......answer is the PERSON is. Not the stupid Dr.......


Your mind is contaminated by the USA HC system. I dont read any blog. I LIVED WITH REAL UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE. No greedy scum Dr's, no extorsion.......
 
$30 month is irrelivant.

(allowing for modest profit, no extorsion)
You truly don't know what you are talking about. Every single penny in an insurance pool makes a difference, it's the definition of a numbers business. I put out one of the more simple formulas earlier, go back and find it.
 
Yes it is HC. And the Dr is not involved in the decision to have a kid or not. Only the couple is. He just makes sure the pill will not have adverse effects.

This comment exposes your lack of WHO IS IN CONTROL of their body.......answer is the PERSON is. Not the stupid Dr.......


Your mind is contaminated by the USA HC system. I dont read any blog. I LIVED WITH REAL UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE. No greedy scum Dr's, no extorsion.......
No, birth control is optional UNLESS a physician signs a prescription for one of two factors 1) Hormonal control for a small percentage of women who have horrendous imbalances during their period and 2) conditions such as endomitriosis which are relieved through use of birth control. They are small percentages of medically necessary, weighted into the risk pool, were already covered, and factored into premium. Optional birth control has none of that.
 
Really, and where did you get your information because that's not what I read? Instead, I read that there was an executive order that made the Hyde amendment apply to Obamacare which means no federal funding for abortions. Maybe you should back up your claim that Obamacare considers pregnancy a "disease" with a link or some credible evidence. Otherwise, I have no reason to take your hyperboli seriously.

Here's mine....

Hyde Amendment - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Both sides of abortion issue quick to dismiss order - USATODAY.com

All religious establishments, including the Catholic church are exempt from having insurance coverage for birth control pills. So where are you getting your information, comedy4all? From comic books? lol
The daily caller
Obamacare contraception mandate takes effect
Published: 12:45 AM 08/01/2012
Obamacare contraception mandate takes effect | The Daily Caller

“The new regulations require all insurance companies to cover well-woman visits, gestational diabetes screenings, domestic and interpersonal violence counseling, FDA-approved contraception, breastfeeding supplies, HPV DNA testing, sexually transmitted infection counseling, and HIV testing without additional co-pays.”
Without additional co-pays = free

Wikipedia is not a reliable source of information because it can be changed by anyone. No reputable news organization would use it as a source, and no school professor will accept it as a source for an assignment.
Planned Parenthood receives federal funds (our taxes). Planned Parenthood provides contraception and abortions. Thus the taxes that a catholic person would have to pay if they did not buy insurance would help contribute to things that violate their religious freedoms. There is no way to be certain that tax money that goes to planned parenthood or other such organizations does not make its way to paying for abortions. They just say “we won’t use it for that”. Remember the catholic religion considers contraception the same as abortion because it denies a child the right to life.

Sandra Fluke was trying to get the insurance at a catholic university (not a church) to pay for her contraception. Catholics don’t just live in the church. So where are you getting your information, Moot? From the back of a tampon box? Lol
 
Let her pay for her own contraceptives. It's her responsibility, and nobody else's.

Then every elderly person currently in hospice care should be rolled out into the streets unless they have a credit card to cover the bill.

And we should pull the plug on every premie incubator covered under medicaid.
 
She was speaking for other women who can't afford it. Thats her job.
She is a student; she is not the advocate for slutty broads/dudes that don’t want to use condoms (the $3000 she was referring to was for buying berth control pills).
 
You truly don't know what you are talking about. Every single penny in an insurance pool makes a difference, it's the definition of a numbers business. I put out one of the more simple formulas earlier, go back and find it.

If they can afford a $125 mill CEO and Jets, they can afford to provide a few pills.

Their profits are now limited to 20% anyway........(and we should not have to pay them anything, insurance needs to be banned)
 
No, birth control is optional UNLESS a physician signs a prescription for one of two factors 1) Hormonal control for a small percentage of women who have horrendous imbalances during their period and 2) conditions such as endomitriosis which are relieved through use of birth control. They are small percentages of medically necessary, weighted into the risk pool, were already covered, and factored into premium. Optional birth control has none of that.

Sorry, your fantasy world of controlling others HC is about to endd..........by by pope monkey.

and here is an example of an employer IMPOSING religion on employees ................

"Friday, a District Court in Colorado granted a family business — the Newland family and their company, Hercules Industries — an injunction against the mandate, which conflicts with their Catholic beliefs. "

You Pope supporters were saying somthing about Religious freedom?
Why should a jew working at your HVAC work place have the Pope imposed on them for doing his job?
 
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Then every elderly person currently in hospice care should be rolled out into the streets unless they have a credit card to cover the bill.

And we should pull the plug on every premie incubator covered under medicaid.
If those elderly or preemies want birth control they should have to pay for it themselves to. We are talking about birth control not a respirator or an incubator.
 
Thanks for the Excellent link!
 
What really hits me in this discussion is the abysmal ignorance that white right wing men like Limbaugh and others have about the female body, sex and their reproductive system.

How do they ever expect to carry on the race with the terrible display of ignorance they continually show in this area? I guess thats why they want to disenfranchise so many non-white folks.
 
If they can afford a $125 mill CEO and Jets, they can afford to provide a few pills.

Their profits are now limited to 20% anyway........(and we should not have to pay them anything, insurance needs to be banned)
Do you even know how those salaries are paid out? They are done with a smaller base salary, stock options cover most of the salary, and bonuses. Payouts on claims come from the risk pool, reinvestment, and reinsurance, not from total revenues, IOW they aren't the same money. Now, when the risk pool grows, the cash on hand shrinks(this is a mandatory minimum pool of capitol required to operate) guess what happens when the cash on hand shrinks, that's right it must be replaced.

Tell you what, you tell ME how that COH is to be replaced since you are telling me how the industry I WORKED IN operates.
 
But I cant pay elsewhere, the monopoly still stands with the ACA. They also collude and rig prices legally. So the 2 choices any person has in a state is meaningless.

With PPACA you don't have to pay... Remember? You were quite proud to remind us how poor you were and how little you would be paying.
 
Sorry, your fantasy world of controlling others HC is about to endd..........by by pope monkey.

and here is an example of an employer IMPOSING religion on employees ................

"Friday, a District Court in Colorado granted a family business — the Newland family and their company, Hercules Industries — an injunction against the mandate, which conflicts with their Catholic beliefs. "

You Pope supporters were saying somthing about Religious freedom?
Why should a jew working at your HVAC work place have the Pope imposed on them for doing his job?
Choice!

He doesn’t have to work there. Under the affordable care act the employer has a choice too. He can provide his employees with health care that violates his religion or he can be penalized (oh sorry taxed) by the federal government.
 
Do you even know how those salaries are paid out? They are done with a smaller base salary, stock options cover most of the salary, and bonuses. Payouts on claims come from the risk pool, reinvestment, and reinsurance, not from total revenues, IOW they aren't the same money. Now, when the risk pool grows, the cash on hand shrinks(this is a mandatory minimum pool of capitol required to operate) guess what happens when the cash on hand shrinks, that's right it must be replaced.

Tell you what, you tell ME how that COH is to be replaced since you are telling me how the industry I WORKED IN operates.

The ideal way to replace that cash is to eliminate the source. The paying health insurance person.

See with single payer, all you know is irrelivant.....as is the $125 mil CEO and his jets.
 
With PPACA you don't have to pay... Remember? You were quite proud to remind us how poor you were and how little you would be paying.

I still pay for it. Gov subsidy was a GOP idea started with HR 3590.

HR 3200, the original real reform, contained price control boards and no subsidies.

Milllions will not quaify for the subsidies, less than $10k income, and will not get medicaid because of SCOTUS. They will have to move
to a state that does ALLOW the Feds to cover them.
 
Choice!

He doesn’t have to work there. Under the affordable care act the employer has a choice too. He can provide his employees with health care that violates his religion or he can be penalized (oh sorry taxed) by the federal government.

And with all the employers imposing religion in a work place. Where will the excluded employee go? Opps. looks like there is NO CHOICE.

only way to do it is ELIMINATE RELIGION in the workplace.

The employer has a right to direct work. And nothing else. the employer has NO RIGHT at all in home issues, and religion and healthcare are it.
 
And with all the employers imposing religion in a work place. Where will the excluded employee go? Opps. looks like there is NO CHOICE.

only way to do it is ELIMINATE RELIGION in the workplace.

The employer has a right to direct work. And nothing else. the employer has NO RIGHT at all in home issues, and religion and healthcare are it.
Start your own business, become a beach bum, buy your own health insurance; all choices that can alleviate the fascism of religious tyranny that having employer based insurance that does not cover contraception imposes (poor you). I think that you can live throw the imposition, as opposed to people that lived through real religious atrocities of the past.

The business owner is god at the job.
It is not your job it’s his/hers.
 
The ideal way to replace that cash is to eliminate the source. The paying health insurance person.

See with single payer, all you know is irrelivant.....as is the $125 mil CEO and his jets.
And the true colors come out. UHC is as much the nightmare as anything else, we're done here.
 
I still pay for it. Gov subsidy was a GOP idea started with HR 3590.

HR 3200, the original real reform, contained price control boards and no subsidies.

Milllions will not quaify for the subsidies, less than $10k income, and will not get medicaid because of SCOTUS. They will have to move
to a state that does ALLOW the Feds to cover them.

No. You only pay for part of it. A very small part.
 
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