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Are you for or against vote ID to vote?

Are you for or against vote ID to vote?


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I think the objective should be to make sure that there is no voter/election fraud. Identifying that the person voting is indeed the person they say they are can be done without a special card. When a person applies for a loan, a job, drivers license, food assistance, etc. one does not need a special national card to do so. I think it would be more effective to show two forms of ID. Or perhaps develop a better method of confirming votes then what we are using now. I mean right now we do not have universal methods in vote counting.
 
I think the objective should be to make sure that there is no voter/election fraud. Identifying that the person voting is indeed the person they say they are can be done without a special card. When a person applies for a loan, a job, drivers license, food assistance, etc. one does not need a special national card to do so. I think it would be more effective to show two forms of ID. Or perhaps develop a better method of confirming votes then what we are using now. I mean right now we do not have universal methods in vote counting.

The voter ID law isn't about requiring a new, special, separate ID. Your driver's license or state ID are acceptable to vote under this new law, no other ID required. Just like you have to show your driver's license or state ID to get a loan, now you have to show it to vote. Or if you don't have a driver's license or state ID, you can get a free voter ID card. This law is a great thing.
 
The voter ID law isn't about requiring a new, special, separate ID. Your driver's license or state ID are acceptable to vote under this new law, no other ID required. Just like you have to show your driver's license or state ID to get a loan, now you have to show it to vote. Or if you don't have a driver's license or state ID, you can get a free voter ID card. This law is a great thing.

I wouldnt call it great at all. Again I think it is important to identify a voter as being in the right place and actually being the person they say they are. Both of which can be done without a voter ID card.


Obviously the point is to reduce the possibility of fraud in voting. So goal should be to do what can be done to obtain that goal. The issue of voter ID's has become a dividing political issue. And most likely will remain so for a great deal of time. Yet we still must assure the legitimacy of our voting system and stop any exploits of it. If the goal is what i just said then in an attempt to obtain that goal it may be best to abandon the voter ID card concept and move on to the Paper work needed to register to vote in the first place.

When you sign in to vote you should present the same paper work that you did when you registered to vote. It would be much harder to present fake multiple documents than to fake one voter ID card. More work yes, but the people that show up to government food distribution do it every month. So I see no hardship in presenting the extra documents needed to identify a voter.

As far as absentee ballots go they should be reduced to just people with legitimate reasons. And Again in both types of voting more work should be done to confirm the votes. I believe that is really where the problem is at more so than fraudulent voters. If we do not have a good mechanism to recognize problem than no matter what laws you intact to identify voters you will still see problems with fraud. After all it isnt the individual voter we must watch it is those that want the votes to go a certain way that we must police. Usually that involves politicians and corruption not individual voters per se.
 
I wouldnt call it great at all. Again I think it is important to identify a voter as being in the right place and actually being the person they say they are. Both of which can be done without a voter ID card.

I don't understand this response in the context of the post you cited. The cited post specifically notes that a voter ID card is not needed or required by any currently enacted or proposed law. Yet you turn around and said that identification can be done without a voter ID card. So what were you saying differently?
 
I don't understand this response in the context of the post you cited. The cited post specifically notes that a voter ID card is not needed or required by any currently enacted or proposed law. Yet you turn around and said that identification can be done without a voter ID card. So what were you saying differently?

I specifically stated that I do not think that a law that would provide a voters ID card for those who do not possess the required documents would be a great thing. Logically you would still needs those proofs of identification in order to get a a voters ID card. So why bother wasting tax payers money on voter ID cards that do not serve any real purpose? I mean if you can produce the information needed to acquire a voter ID card then you can also produce the same information while checking in at the place where you are voting and just cut to the chase.

A voters ID card would just be another Government program that wastes tax payers money for no other reason than to satisfy political posturing. There is already a thing called ID that exists and is legally accepted there is no reason to reinvent the wheel here. If one cannot produce the needed information to acquire an state ID card how would they register to vote in the first place?

At one point I was homeless and was able to acquire a sate ID card in order to cash my checks when I started working again. If there is a will there is a way.

The context though being that partisan politics is not really concerned with voter fraud its self. The Republicans are stuck on insisting that voter ID cards is the end all solution to voter fraud. Which ignores the fact that better monitoring of the voting process would go much further than issuing voter cards. On the other hand Democrats are enjoying the fact that they can make the Republicans look like asses for their insistence of voter ID cards. Meanwhile The entire battle seems to be more of a distraction rather than anything productive. Personally I believe that we should make sure that every election no matter how small is completely legit from all angles just to be sure. And I do not believe that just issuing voter ID cards would be effective, but I actually believe that voter ID cards would make it easier for election fraud to exist since the card would be issued by the Government whether Federal or State. Which would give opportunity for corruption to exist.


As it stands now The ID we that we produce for registering to vote isnt based entirely on State IDs but also other types that confirm our address etc. It takes the means of centralized corrupted elections out of play to a certain extent.
 
People get fake IDs all the time. There is nothing wrong with having voter identification. I think it is a great idea. I don't want illegal immigrants voting in our elections, voting for those politicians that will pander to them. If it stops some from casting an illegal ballot, then it's all good and certainly not a waste.
 
yup, he's got us. wanting to limit the realm of government and live within our means is exactly like pouring acid on little girls faces because they learned to read. Good catch, Captain America.

Read 'em and weep.



And people wonder why I, an avowed pro-lifer, pro-gun, anti-government cheese person turned my back on the Republican party?


Well, let's take a looksy....

Taliban:
Ideological Purity
Compromise as weakness
A fundalmentalist belief in scriptual literalism
Denying Science
Unmoved by facts
Undeterred by new information
A hostile fear of progress
Demonization of education
A need to control women's bodies
Severe Xenophobia
Tribal mentality
Intolerance of dissent
Pathological hatred for the US government


Tea Party:

Same as above.

But don't take my word for it, I was just a "RINO." I don't seem to measure up to today's "republicans," by definition.

And I thank God for that.
 
yup, he's got us. wanting to limit the realm of government and live within our means is exactly like pouring acid on little girls faces because they learned to read. Good catch, Captain America.
I can't make you see the similarities. Classic case of choosing to view it only in extreme comparisons, though. It's easier to hide one's own head in the sand that way.
 
Read 'em and weep.

really? you are demonstrating a show by liberals explaining how they think conservatives are bad through the mouthpiece of a nominal "moderate republican" as your great evidence for comparing the Tea Party to the Taliban?

Well, let's take a looksy....

Taliban:
Ideological Purity

:roll: Yes, because running a primary campaign in which one offers ones' self up to the public for their choice is exactly like throwing acid in little girls faces.

Compromise as weakness

interesting. so the left which is upset that Obama dropped the public option, or didn't go for single payer, is also like the taliban?

A fundalmentalist belief in scriptual literalism

is not a part of the Tea Party, although there probably is some overlap.

Nor is that really technically a unique part of the Taliban - all the main Muslim schools of thought believe in the scriptural literalism of the Koran. Are you saying that all Muslims are like the Taliban?

Denying Science

Is neither an ideological thrust of the Taliban nor part of the Tea Party

Unmoved by facts

see above. Although this is really just a way of trying to call ones' opposition stupid, and thus detracts from the accuser rather than the accused.

Undeterred by new information

see unmoved by facts.

A hostile fear of progress

is definitely not part of the Tea Party, as they are very interested in improving America's position.

Demonization of education

:) Tea Party supporters actually tend to be better educated than the general populace.

A need to control women's bodies

Part of the Taliban but not part of the Tea Party.

Severe Xenophobia

Part of the Taliban but not part of the Tea Party.

Tribal mentality

Is a part of every single political movement in the world.

Intolerance of dissent

Please list for me the people the Tea Party have executed lately?

Pathological hatred for the US government

is definitely not a part of the Tea Party, whose membership often rededicate themselves to reading the founding documents and celebrating the brilliance of the form of government we here in the US have.

Oh, and you forgot some things

Totalitarian movement
Support for terrorism
Support for political violence




You are smarter than this, Cap. I realized it probably sounded trite and cute when you heard it, but it's bull****, and you know better than to try to compare a bunch of people who wear funny tricorner hats and demand less government with a group dedicated to totalitarian government and kills children.
 
You are smarter than this, Cap. I realized it probably sounded trite and cute when you heard it, but it's bull****, and you know better than to try to compare a bunch of people who wear funny tricorner hats and demand less government with a group dedicated to totalitarian government and kills children.
Similarities, not lock-step unwavering duplication.
 
I can't make you see the similarities.

Oh, there are similarities. Made up of people. (originally, at least, for the Taliban) a populist movement. Organized (originally, at least) around education. etc.

But to claim any kind of parity between the movements demonstrates a facile understanding of either. I have actually studied the Taliban, I have seen what the Taliban do. CA's post is just another form of the Godwin Fallacy.
 
Similarities, not lock-step unwavering duplication.

Certainly, there are similarities between all organized groups of humans.


You know who else would have opposed the Tea Party, radcen?


Hitler.
 
Are the people who say that they can't afford an ID card the same people who are some how able to afford Michael Jordan sneakers, Playstation 3 and/or X Box, the latest Madden video game every year and full-boat cable or satellite TV package?
 
Are the people who say that they can't afford an ID card the same people who are some how able to afford Michael Jordan sneakers, Playstation 3 and/or X Box, the latest Madden video game every year and full-boat cable or satellite TV package?

Is that evidence or proof:NO, it's just a stereotype
 
Oh, there are similarities. Made up of people. (originally, at least, for the Taliban) a populist movement. Organized (originally, at least) around education. etc.

But to claim any kind of parity between the movements demonstrates a facile understanding of either. I have actually studied the Taliban, I have seen what the Taliban do. CA's post is just another form of the Godwin Fallacy.
Certainly, there are similarities between all organized groups of humans.

You know who else would have opposed the Tea Party, radcen?

Hitler.
This made me chuckle. :lol:
 
:) well then, now you get it.
 
really? you are demonstrating a show by liberals explaining how they think conservatives are bad through the mouthpiece of a nominal "moderate republican" as your great evidence for comparing the Tea Party to the Taliban?



:roll: Yes, because running a primary campaign in which one offers ones' self up to the public for their choice is exactly like throwing acid in little girls faces.



interesting. so the left which is upset that Obama dropped the public option, or didn't go for single payer, is also like the taliban?



is not a part of the Tea Party, although there probably is some overlap.

Nor is that really technically a unique part of the Taliban - all the main Muslim schools of thought believe in the scriptural literalism of the Koran. Are you saying that all Muslims are like the Taliban?



Is neither an ideological thrust of the Taliban nor part of the Tea Party



see above. Although this is really just a way of trying to call ones' opposition stupid, and thus detracts from the accuser rather than the accused.



see unmoved by facts.



is definitely not part of the Tea Party, as they are very interested in improving America's position.



:) Tea Party supporters actually tend to be better educated than the general populace.



Part of the Taliban but not part of the Tea Party.



Part of the Taliban but not part of the Tea Party.



Is a part of every single political movement in the world.



Please list for me the people the Tea Party have executed lately?



is definitely not a part of the Tea Party, whose membership often rededicate themselves to reading the founding documents and celebrating the brilliance of the form of government we here in the US have.

Oh, and you forgot some things

Totalitarian movement
Support for terrorism
Support for political violence




You are smarter than this, Cap. I realized it probably sounded trite and cute when you heard it, but it's bull****, and you know better than to try to compare a bunch of people who wear funny tricorner hats and demand less government with a group dedicated to totalitarian government and kills children.

I will agree that the American Taliban, aka, Tea Party, are not the barbaric scum the Afghan Taliban have shown theirselves to be. How could they be? They are, after all, American. The point I am driving home is the tea party is much like the Taliban in the sense that they cannot help themselves from treading on fellow Americans and demanding their ideology be instituted on people, such as myself, that want to have nothing to do with them.

The irony is, at first, I was very excited about the tea party. But sadly it turned out to be what I consider a curse on our national politics as the most offensive and intolerant of people jumped on the train.

The clip, no doubt has a liberal lean as the whole show does. I love the series. I could have been the writer. It's as if they have read my mind.
 
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I will agree that the American Taliban, aka, Tea Party, are not the barbaric scum the Afghan Taliban have shown theirselves to be. How could they be? They are, after all, American. The point I am driving home is the tea party is much like the Taliban in the sense that they cannot help themselves from treading on fellow Americans and demanding their ideology be instituted on people, such as myself, that want to have nothing to do with them.

and the point I am trying to bring home to you is that

A) this is a hyperbolic and ridiculous comparison of two things that are not of the same type. you could make the exact same comparison (that both wish to put their ideology into governance) between Democrats and Nazis.

and

B) you make yourself look like a fool by defending it. you are smarter and better than this, cap.
 
and Jesus.

Don't forget about Him.

Nah. Jesus went to lengths to be deliberately apolitical; probably so that in the future, people wouldn't try to use him for affirmation of their own or the degradation of another.
 
and the point I am trying to bring home to you is that

A) this is a hyperbolic and ridiculous comparison of two things that are not of the same type. you could make the exact same comparison (that both wish to put their ideology into governance) between Democrats and Nazis.

and

B) you make yourself look like a fool by defending it. you are smarter and better than this, cap.

Personally I do not like either side so your concept really does not mean anything other than two wrongs do not make a right.
 
To me its just common sense, how about you?


It is only common sense to require ID if we require that all citizens have a national ID. That is the foundation of the discussion ... if citizens are not required to have a national ID card then to abruptly require such before an election to cast a ballot is inherently wrong.

Voter fraud is amplified by either side when politically convenient.
 
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Read 'em and weep.



And people wonder why I, an avowed pro-lifer, pro-gun, anti-government cheese person turned my back on the Republican party?


Well, let's take a looksy....

Taliban:
Ideological Purity
Compromise as weakness
A fundalmentalist belief in scriptual literalism
Denying Science
Unmoved by facts
Undeterred by new information
A hostile fear of progress
Demonization of education
A need to control women's bodies
Severe Xenophobia
Tribal mentality
Intolerance of dissent
Pathological hatred for the US government


Tea Party:

Same as above.

But don't take my word for it, I was just a "RINO." I don't seem to measure up to today's "republicans," by definition.

And I thank God for that.


I am only gona comment on the compromise as a weakness.

In todays Republican party it is a weakness. A severe one. Compromise requires BOTH sides to come together for MUTUAL benifit. That has not been happening for some time. The Republicans for the past few DECADES have compromised over and over again on various issues and have been pushed to the point that compromise is no longer an acceptable action to me and others. Each time an issue has come up the Republicans have for the most part compromised. The Democrates take the new position and use it to make the Republicans compromise again this time between the old new position and the Democrates new position. This has happened over and over again, each time the benifit of compromise becoming less and less. Compromise now results in NO benifit to me. I and those like me, are not interested in compromise on any basic issues such as the Second admendment, taxes and regulations. My cohorts and I are drawing a line in the sand. No Mas. No More. As we see things our backs are against the wall its crunch time, all or nothing. I wish we could, but unfortunately there is no more room. I hope this claifies things a bit.
 
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