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Are you for or against vote ID to vote?

Are you for or against vote ID to vote?

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The Man said:
A SS card is not an ID card, and is not meant to be used as ID. A driver's license or passport, on the other hand, are IDs, and are meant to identify the person who possesses them. SS cards are not meant to identify anyone.
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at every job that i've accepted, i have been required to bring my birth certificate and a Social Security card. i don't understand why my SS card wouldn't be acceptable identification at my polling place. if republicans aren't satisfied with the current card, then an acceptable compromise would be to raise the SS ceiling and to use some of the additional revenue to fund a social security card which includes a photo.
 
MaggieD said:
That's real easy. The guy should be fired.
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Telling staffers to keep quiet about the IDs will improve the performance of the intent of the new ID. The guy should be rewarded and may have been by his team.
 
Helix said:
at every job that i've accepted, i have been required to bring my birth certificate and a Social Security card. i don't understand why my SS card wouldn't be acceptable identification at my polling place. if republicans aren't satisfied with the current card, then an acceptable compromise would be to raise the SS ceiling and to use some of the additional revenue to fund a social security card which includes a photo.
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You're required to provide your SS card because they have to know what account to credit with the money they withhold. It's not identification, it's tax information.

What's wrong with just having another card with your picture on it? Besides, you don't exactly want to be flashing your SS# to people, it leads to identity theft.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
I agree with you, but there isn't enough demonstrable evidence to make people who are pretending stop pretending. For me, the facts that the voter fraud problem is grossly exaggerated by Republicans, that the main people who will be affected by voter ID requirements are liberal constituents and comments made by some Republican party leaders on the ID is enough to make it clear to me that this is more about disenfranchising voters than it is about anything honorable.
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What is your evidence and reasoning?
 
I really don't care either way. I think a library card should be efficient enough. I never really understood the argument that voter id was keeping people from voting. It happens in all white majority Republican towns also.
 
JohnWOlin said:
I really don't care either way. I think a library card should be efficient enough. I never really understood the argument that voter id was keeping people from voting. It happens in all white majority Republican towns also.
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Assuming that the library card had a picture and the requirements for getting such a card were stringent enough, I could see it being a legal form of identification.
 
JohnWOlin said:
I really don't care either way. I think a library card should be efficient enough. I never really understood the argument that voter id was keeping people from voting. It happens in all white majority Republican towns also.
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John, does your library card have your picture on it, name, and any other identifiable information (address, date of birth, etc.)? Mine does not. It is just a number and a picture of my library.
 
Fiddytree said:
John, does your library card have your picture on it, name, and any other identifiable information (address, date of birth, etc.)? Mine does not. It is just a number and a picture of my library.
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The only identifiable portion on mine is my signature, it doesn't even have a name printed on it. To get it, I only had to produce a piece of mail with my name on it, I don't think I even had to produce a picture ID.
 
Helix said:
at every job that i've accepted, i have been required to bring my birth certificate and a Social Security card. i don't understand why my SS card wouldn't be acceptable identification at my polling place. if republicans aren't satisfied with the current card, then an acceptable compromise would be to raise the SS ceiling and to use some of the additional revenue to fund a social security card which includes a photo.
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Your social security card specifically states on the card that it is not a form of ID. The reason why your utility bill works in some states is because of name, address, and provides some time frame for residency.
 
Cephus said:
You're required to provide your SS card because they have to know what account to credit with the money they withhold. It's not identification, it's tax information.

What's wrong with just having another card with your picture on it? Besides, you don't exactly want to be flashing your SS# to people, it leads to identity theft.
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it would simply be one form of ID accepted at the polls. if one didn't want to use it, they could use any other form of ID.
 
Generally, I'm for a photo ID being required to vote.

However, the scenario below makes me think our country is doomed to being a cluster-phuck of incompetence and idiocy.

If what happens below is common place - I think internet and text voting (like American Idol) might be just as effective.

Hairytic said:
I live in Mississippi. We have a new voter ID law. I have voted every year from the time I turned 18. I am currently disabled, so I do not drive any more and my drivers license expired. I took my birth certificate and marriage licence to the DMV to get my ID so I could vote. They then said I had to provide Documentation of my previous divorces because they had to link my name changes. I had an expired drivers license and an expired military ID. I had never had to provide divorce papers to get those forms of IDs in the past. Once I got my divorce papers together and went back to the DMV, they then requested my previous marriage license to show I had beem married to the person I had divorced. It is not easy for me to get out of the house, and at this point I had already made two trips. I had to get my congressman involved. According to my congressman, my expired military ID and DL should have been all I needed. After many months of arguing my point, I finally got my ID. This is not always an easy process for everyone. My story is not uncommon. I think the new voter ID laws are an attempt to suppress the vote.
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zstep18 said:
Cause it will mainly affect minority voters, and minority voters are usually Democrats?
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Evidence? Can you show what percentage of "majority" voters do and do not have photo id? Can you show the lack of availability of photo ID for minority voters? Note a lack of availability, which can include but is not limited to excessive cost, is NOT the same as not bothering to obtain. To wit, if in PA (was it?), ID's are available for free, then there is no lack of availability. Also note that I do support an alternative method for those rare (comparatively speaking) individuals who are unable to physically reach an ID issuance location or polling place.

Dragonfly said:
Generally, I'm for a photo ID being required to vote.
However, the scenario below makes me think our country is doomed to being a cluster-phuck of incompetence and idiocy.
If what happens below is common place - I think internet and text voting (like American Idol) might be just as effective.
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My only response to this is do not mistake general bureaucratic bullcrap red tape with an active attempt to suppress voting. I know some states are not as bad as the story given. For that matter the bullcrap you have to deal with for any given agency can vary from office to office within a given state.
 
maquiscat said:
Evidence? Can you show what percentage of "majority" voters do and do not have photo id? Can you show the lack of availability of photo ID for minority voters? Note a lack of availability, which can include but is not limited to excessive cost, is NOT the same as not bothering to obtain. To wit, if in PA (was it?), ID's are available for free, then there is no lack of availability. Also note that I do support an alternative method for those rare (comparatively speaking) individuals who are unable to physically reach an ID issuance location or polling place.



My only response to this is do not mistake general bureaucratic bullcrap red tape with an active attempt to suppress voting. I know some states are not as bad as the story given. For that matter the bullcrap you have to deal with for any given agency can vary from office to office within a given state.
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Mississippi ain't the leader in all things brilliant that's for damn sure....
 
maquiscat said:
What is your evidence and reasoning?
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Reasoning:
Minorities are less likely to have or need a photo ID. Minorities are more likely to be liberal. Therefore, the main people who will be affected by voter ID requirements are liberals.

Evidence:
Voter ID laws: Why do minorities lack ID to show at the polls? - Slate Magazine
Study: Minorities more likely to be disenfranchised by Voter ID laws | Texas on the Potomac | a Chron.com blog
http://www.brennancenter.org/page/-/d/download_file_39242.pdf
 
Cephus said:
You already have a national ID, your social security number. What's the big deal?
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Older people may remember when Social Security cards said "Not for identification purposes". :lol:
 
maquiscat said:
Evidence? Can you show what percentage of "majority" voters do and do not have photo id?
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I can. http://www.brennancenter.org/page/-/d/download_file_39242.pdf

Can you show the lack of availability of photo ID for minority voters? Note a lack of availability, which can include but is not limited to excessive cost, is NOT the same as not bothering to obtain.
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Ah, you're covering your bases. If you can argue that minorities just aren't "bothering" to get IDs, then the voter ID requirements are totally not affecting them more. Unfortunately, that standard is dishonest and bogus. Minorities are affected more because they are less likely to have photo IDs and less like to have a reason to get them.

That said, your bogus standard is still met since minorities are less likely to have driver's licenses to drive themselves to centers that provide voter IDs and tend to be farther away from such centers.

To wit, if in PA (was it?), ID's are available for free, then there is no lack of availability.
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It's too bad that some Republicans don't want people to know about those free IDs.
 
specklebang said:
It's a Social Security card, not valid as ID. ID has description and photos. The SS card is just a number, anybody could show you my SS card and you wouldn't have a clue it wasn't me.
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We have a driver's license or state ID Card. Those are enough. Anything beyond that is overkill.
 
ThePlayDrive said:
I can. http://www.brennancenter.org/page/-/d/download_file_39242.pdf


Ah, you're covering your bases. If you can argue that minorities just aren't "bothering" to get IDs, then the voter ID requirements are totally not affecting them more. Unfortunately, that standard is dishonest and bogus. Minorities are affected more because they are less likely to have photo IDs and less like to have a reason to get them.

That said, your bogus standard is still met since minorities are less likely to have driver's licenses to drive themselves to centers that provide voter IDs and tend to be farther away from such centers.


It's too bad that some Republicans don't want people to know about those free IDs.
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It's a simple fix. The government need only designate one minority in each district to arrive at the voting booths in a government issue vehicle.
 
Dear Mr. Box,

Of course a State ID or DL is enough. A SS card is not ID. So, are we agreeing or disagreeing here.

IMHO every state should make ID available to all citizens. I think it should be free or very nominal cost.



lunchbox said:
We have a driver's license or state ID Card. Those are enough. Anything beyond that is overkill.
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Thorgasm said:
Older people may remember when Social Security cards said "Not for identification purposes". :lol:
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They still do, actually. So what does that have to do with the question I actually asked?
 
Helix said:
it would simply be one form of ID accepted at the polls. if one didn't want to use it, they could use any other form of ID.
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So long as they have one form of legitimate ID, that's fine. They ought to have one.
 
I've said this before but here it goes again:

IF there was an actual problem with people committing voter fraud I would be for this, however the fraud isn't with the voters its with those either counting the votes or those they are voting for.

IF just ONE eligible voter is turned away and unable to vote because of this, it is far worse than one voter voting twice.

Why in the hell would someone risk the penalty of committing fraud all for the purpose of voting a second time, or third..? On a large scale these votes do not matter whatsoever.





Show me ONE election where they have determined that voter fraud was the cause of the elected official.

I can show you ONE election where fraud on the other end was the cause of the elected official: George W. Bush.
 
Navy Pride said:
To me its just common sense, how about you?
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I think its common sense too.Ballots are anonymous. How do you prove the person who showed up is really who they say they are?After all majority of registered voters do not vote in every single election,so it would be easy for a group to compile a list of voters who don't show up for various elections and have people pose as those voters at those elections those voters do not regularly show up to. Voter registration fraud might be a little more easier to catch. Since ballots are anonymous how do you separate the legitimate voters ballots from the posers ballots,How do you separate the micky mouses and dead people's ballots from actual voters ballots? You can't because ballots are anonymous. Since ballots are anonymous this also means that any voter fraud is almost impossible to prove when it does happen. The polling places do not send thank you for voting post cards and the polling places do not call up every single voter on their voting rolls to see if they actually voted. So requiring a voter to show a state issued ID or state issued driver's license makes perfect sense. Driver's licenses and IDs are cheap,so the idea that the poor or minorities will disenfranchised is idiotic.
 
Bad poll. It really, really needs an "other" option.
 
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