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How Would Romney Govern?

How Would Romney Govern?

  • He'd side 90% or more with Republican conservatives

    Votes: 16 44.4%
  • He'd challenge conservatives and/or compromise with moderate democrats

    Votes: 7 19.4%
  • He'd take positions based on polling data

    Votes: 13 36.1%

  • Total voters
    36
I am betting that he cuts many govt programs to bare essentials, reducing their budgets, encouraging older govt employees to retire so we can reduce manpower expenses. He will likely eliminate some programs, combine others.
He has had to deal with govt clutter as a businessman, so I am pretty sure he will want to clean up those that impede business. As for environmental issues, I have seen some pretty stupid things done in the name of enviromentalism. Overkill doesn't even begin to describe the stupidity of some govt programs....
I was discussing the business of operating an auto dismantling yard with a guy who was a young silent partner of one, and the older working partner wanted to retire. He says he hates to end the business, but he isn't ready to take it over full time himself, and if he waits till he retires from his existing job, he will have to start a NEW dismantling yard, and the EPA makes it hard to do so, even while existing yards are allowed to make a mess. One in particular that I used to visit has enough spilled oil in the dirt that they would probably have to dig deep, several feet, to get out the oil soaked dirt and then haul in new dirt. They are supposed to drain the fluids, but apparently there is only money to be made in draining the engine oil and transmission fluid. Brake fluid, Power steering fluid, freon, differential oil, antifreeze, etc. are left in the cars..
 
Yeah I guess rising up out of Kenya to get a Harvard law degree with Communist parents makes one crappy:roll:

Actually, I was referring to the two years he had total control of the government.

But of course, in your zeal to put divisive words in my mouth, you didn't understand that.

So it goes.
 
Fine then. Vote for him. And we'll see what he does once in office.

But the record for the GOP to pursue military force when in office doesn't put the chances in your favor.

So...for the record, you take back your claim that he said he wants to go to war with Iran...right?
 
Well, considering that you keep asking for sources on Romney's position of going to war with Iran without congressional approval despite a video of Romney stating outright he wants to go to war with Iran without congressional approval, I'm supposing that this and the other things you see is highly in doubt.



You think he said that and he did not. That makes you delusional. If he did say that, then produce the link that shows he said that.

What you imagine and what actually was said have departed company. I'm thinking that one rarely meets the other in your world.
 
You think he said that and he did not. That makes you delusional. If he did say that, then produce the link that shows he said that.

What you imagine and what actually was said have departed company. I'm thinking that one rarely meets the other in your world.

I've already posted a link detailing his hawkish foreign policy advisers that are endorsing a war with Iran. I've already posted a link saying that he is willing to go to war without the approval of Congress. If you are unwilling to read the writing on the wall, that's your choice.
 
I've already posted a link detailing his hawkish foreign policy advisers that are endorsing a war with Iran. I've already posted a link saying that he is willing to go to war without the approval of Congress. If you are unwilling to read the writing on the wall, that's your choice.



That graffiti is in your handwriting. I was hoping you would produce something that Romney wrote.
 
I wonder if Romney would look at this from a nonideological numbers perspective, like a business person would.

If I come to believe that, I will vote for him, because government could use some streamlining.

The problem though is congress is mostly crazy and I don't know how well he would resist people like the tea partiers to do what is right instead.
 
I've already posted a link detailing his hawkish foreign policy advisers that are endorsing a war with Iran. I've already posted a link saying that he is willing to go to war without the approval of Congress. If you are unwilling to read the writing on the wall, that's your choice.

LOL!!!

So, you've changed your statement from "Romney says he wants to go to war" to "Romney says he'll go to war if he has to".

And yet...you won't even admit this change to yourself.

Go figure.
 
I wonder if Romney would look at this from a nonideological numbers perspective, like a business person would.

If I come to believe that, I will vote for him, because government could use some streamlining.

The problem though is congress is mostly crazy and I don't know how well he would resist people like the tea partiers to do what is right instead.
Romney isnt an ideologue. At best he is a right leaning moderate that will be willing to cobble together deals with the left in order to get things done. He has been running as a conservative in order to win the primary, but he really isnt fooling anyone. He is more the pragmatist willing to do 'what works' rather than what fits into his ideological box. He is a businessman, a dealmaker, so how far he strays to the left or the right will be determined by those he is dealing with.
 
Romney isnt an ideologue. At best he is a right leaning moderate that will be willing to cobble together deals with the left in order to get things done. He has been running as a conservative in order to win the primary, but he really isnt fooling anyone. He is more the pragmatist willing to do 'what works' rather than what fits into his ideological box. He is a businessman, a dealmaker, so how far he strays to the left or the right will be determined by those he is dealing with.

This is what I am hoping for. If I find sufficient evidence of this, I will probably vote for him.

I still worry about pull from his conservative masters though, my hope is that we always have a centrist government (slightly right or left at times sure, but a government that serves the majority)
 
Romney will be far more of a follower than he is a leader. He is little more than a dog on a leash on that leash is held by the likes of Grover Norquist, The Koch Brothers, ALEC, right wing think tanks and their toadies and sycophants, and major corporations and the wealthy.

He will given the keys to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and he will be very happy there as long as he keeps his masters happy and content.

And he will.
 
Romney will be far more of a follower than he is a leader. He is little more than a dog on a leash on that leash is held by the likes of Grover Norquist, The Koch Brothers, ALEC, right wing think tanks and their toadies and sycophants, and major corporations and the wealthy.

He will given the keys to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and he will be very happy there as long as he keeps his masters happy and content.

And he will.

Yeah, Mitt Romney has no interest in his own power and prestige. :roll:
 
Yeah, Mitt Romney has no interest in his own power and prestige.

Yes - I agree with you.

His constant flips flop[s and reversals of his positions certainly indicate he will do anything to get into office.
 
Romney will be far more of a follower than he is a leader. He is little more than a dog on a leash on that leash is held by the likes of Grover Norquist, The Koch Brothers, ALEC, right wing think tanks and their toadies and sycophants, and major corporations and the wealthy.

He will given the keys to 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and he will be very happy there as long as he keeps his masters happy and content.

And he will.

Time will tell, but I think the man will surprise a lot of people...
 
Yes - I agree with you.

His constant flips flop[s and reversals of his positions certainly indicate he will do anything to get into office.

if done with good intent, so be it....not one president elected in the last 60 years hasn't flip-flopped or pandered....what they do once in office is the important thing, not how many ugly babies kissed, corporate butts kissed, ubercon butts kissed, and so on....
 
Can you name which policies are making it better? That is what this election is about.

Yes, The two biggies were the Stimulus, and saving the auto jobs. Solar jobs are also up 10% over other new job starts. If the Republican controlled house had not defeated the jobs bill things would be even better, but at least we are not losing 700,000 jobs a month as we were under Bush.
 
Yes, The two biggies were the Stimulus, and saving the auto jobs. Solar jobs are also up 10% over other new job starts. If the Republican controlled house had not defeated the jobs bill things would be even better, but at least we are not losing 700,000 jobs a month as we were under Bush.



That 700,000 jobs nugget is a ridiculous statement of what was happening. That the improvement has taken so long and been so slow in this country is testimony to the FACT that obama has done everything possible to stop any recovery. He may not know that this is what he's doing, but that in itself says more about his incompetence than anything else that could be said.

Solar jobs are up 10%? what does that bring the total to? 20?

The stimulus was the the most profound waste of money in the history of the incompetent wasting of money by our Congress.

If that's what you're hanging you hat on, better find a new hat.
 
I think he'd be similar to the Romney we saw as governor of Massachusetts, who by all accounts seems to have been relatively successfully at solving significant fiscal issues faced by the state.

Romney, to me, based on what I'm reading of his governorship and what I'm seeing today, seems more inclined to support whatever actions makes the most sense. People call it "flip-flopping" because he seems to change his position so often. I contend that perhaps he doesn't have a conviction regarding one ideology over the other and is only responding to the "with us or against us" mentality of the public in many instances.

So I guess the second option fits, in a sense. I just think he aims to create success and results using whatever practical means exist. Sometimes those results aren't popular, and sometimes they are. But even with all the fixation on the "negatives" of his Bain record, I'm not seeing a lot of financial decisions made by Romney or Romney in conjunction with other managers that didn't make sense.

There is a difference between changing your mind and flip-flopping. Changing your mind is when you are unsure of your convictions. Flip-flopping is when you do a 190 from your conviction. I'm not sure that the way Romney ran Mass as governor was good for the state. He did not raise taxes, that's true. But he raised some 88 public fees some as much as double what they were. That does not seem right to me.
 
There is a difference between changing your mind and flip-flopping. Changing your mind is when you are unsure of your convictions. Flip-flopping is when you do a 190 from your conviction. I'm not sure that the way Romney ran Mass as governor was good for the state. He did not raise taxes, that's true. But he raised some 88 public fees some as much as double what they were. That does not seem right to me.

Why isn't it right? You're not obligated to pay most of those fees unless you utilize the service related to them. Thus, any participation is voluntary. That seems much better to me than mandatory tax obligations. And those fees that WERE "mandatory" (i.e. drivers license renewals or vehicle registration renewals) might be a moderate hit, but they wouldn't be incredibly frequent.
 
Why isn't it right? You're not obligated to pay most of those fees unless you utilize the service related to them. Thus, any participation is voluntary. That seems much better to me than mandatory tax obligations. And those fees that WERE "mandatory" (i.e. drivers license renewals or vehicle registration renewals) might be a moderate hit, but they wouldn't be incredibly frequent.

It says I won't raise your taxes, I'll just raise fees on all of your services. It's just a more sneaky way raising revenues IMO
 
It says I won't raise your taxes, I'll just raise fees on all of your services. It's just a more sneaky way raising revenues IMO

I don't think it's sneaky at all. I think it puts the control in the hands of the citizens, instead of in the hands of legislators.
 
Let's get Romney drunk as **** and then ask him what he believes.

Granted that might be hard on the account of being a Mormon and all. How Romney would govern is based on what he really believes.

And only Mittens knows what Mittens really believes.
 
Let's get Romney drunk as **** and then ask him what he believes.

Granted that might be hard on the account of being a Mormon and all. How Romney would govern is based on what he really believes.

And only Mittens knows what Mittens really believes.

As long as he works with the Republicans in Congress to reduce the size, scope and power of the government...and doesn't do any worse than Obama when dealing with the world (don't think he really CAN do worse), I don't care HOW he governs.
 
As long as he works with the Republicans in Congress to reduce the size, scope and power of the government...and doesn't do any worse than Obama when dealing with the world (don't think he really CAN do worse), I don't care HOW he governs.

You should at least have some type of standard to hold him to, rather than "as long as he doesn't **** up like the last guy, we're good."
 
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