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Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nuclear weapons

Should we bomb Iran to prevent their getting nukes?

  • yes

    Votes: 9 18.8%

  • no

    Votes: 39 81.3%
  • Total voters
    48
  • Poll closed .
Those numbers of nuclear weapons are obscene and insane. There's thousands kept on alert and ready to be launched within minutes.

When you consider that current day thermonuclear weapons are more powerful than the two bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki and knowing the devastation inflicted on them as a nation, why do these Countries have stockpiles in the thousands?

It's a mad world.
 
Dragonfly said:
What do you think the response would be if Iran nuked Israel?

Do you think Iran knows it would be complete suicide to do such a thing?

Do you think Iran is willing to accept complete and total suicide by starting a nuclear war?

Iran would lose any and all support from Russia and China.

However - if we strike first...........
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You do realize that you’re speaking of an area of the world that uses suicide to attack their enemies. Iran nukes Israel; Iran has now committed political suicide but everyone in Israel is now dead. I’d rather Look bad to other nations and save the lives of 7,765,700 people than let 7,765,700 People die so that I look good politically.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)
 
comedy4all said:
You do realize that you’re speaking of an area of the world that uses suicide to attack their enemies. Iran nukes Israel; Iran has now committed political suicide but everyone in Israel is now dead. I’d rather Look bad to other nations and save the lives of 7,765,700 people than let 7,765,700 People die so that I look good politically.

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)
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Iran will never bomb Israel.
 
sharon said:
Iran will never bomb Israel.
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How would you know? Are you privy to some kind of inside information or something? It is wrong and quite arrogant of you to say that with the certainty that you do. :roll:
 
This is an idea that infuriates me every time someone mentions it. This notion that we have to be the world's savior. The United States has to use preventative strikes, or go into preventative wars.

We have no business doing anything like that and it goes against the very principles we were founded on. The best thing that our country could do about the situation with Israel and Iran is allow Israel to make their own choices without our input. We should give them the sovereignty that they rightfully deserve. They should make decisions for their country and either face the consequences or get the rewards.

We have a monumental debt problem to deal with. We have no business interfering with any other country at the present moment.
 
sharon said:
Iran will never bomb Israel.
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The leaders of Iran (the ones that would have the authority to give the order to launch the bomb) have stated that they “WILL” wipe Israel off the face of the map. I would say that that is a good indication that; yes they would.
 
AreteCourage said:
This is an idea that infuriates me every time someone mentions it. This notion that we have to be the world's savior. The United States has to use preventative strikes, or go into preventative wars.

We have no business doing anything like that and it goes against the very principles we were founded on. The best thing that our country could do about the situation with Israel and Iran is allow Israel to make their own choices without our input. We should give them the sovereignty that they rightfully deserve. They should make decisions for their country and either face the consequences or get the rewards.

We have a monumental debt problem to deal with. We have no business interfering with any other country at the present moment.
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I agree with letting them make their own choices. But; Israel is our ally and we should for lack of a better phrase “have their back”.
 
Serenity said:
why do these Countries have stockpiles in the thousands?

It's a mad world.
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Well, you did hit the nail on the head when you said "mad world", as the reason for all these stockpiles of bombs has to do with the fact that at least in the west, we are living in a M.A.D. world. When I was studying political science in the 70s, Kissinger was all the rage, as his doctrine of mutually assured destruction had become the stuff of dogma and was hardly questioned. Well, OF COURSE rational people would refrain from using the bomb that would guarantee their own destruction. I can still remember the absolutely incredulous and dismissive look on the face of one of my profs when I asked that little question that revealed the naked state of the emperor by asking "what if the people controlling the bombs aren't rational?"

In the case of Iran, what many of their unintelligent defenders here in the west fail to notice is that they have laid out their rationalizations for nuking Israel, and these reasons are not rational if one assumes their own survival is a rational act. They have come right out and said that they can nuke Israel thereby eliminating that Zionist menace, but Israel's retaliation could not possibly destroy the Ummah. Why so many people fail to understand that not everybody thinks like westerners is beyond me, but the Mullahs quite simply don't. The failure to understand where THEY are coming from will lead to far more casualties than confronting them at a time when they can actually be dealt with.
 
Gardener said:
and your declaration carries the full weight of one who thinks Iran is Arabic, too.
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Iran is mostly Persian..

I just know the Iranians are not suicidal.

Iran has needed nuclear power to expand their electrical grid since the 1970s.. and were doing so with approval from the US and Europe.

The problem is a false one.. Israel is so afraid that they don't want Iran to be prosperous or stable... And, Israel has a reputation for bombing nuclear facilities in both Iraq nd Syria. So, its a problem that causes itself.

I don't think much of the Iranian government.. but the best way to diminish their power is to let Iran prosper.
 
Das Sozialist said:
I don't think she said anything about giving nuclear weapons to anyone.
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She said ~"no one should have them or everyone should have them". Are you proposing that Syria must develop its own nuke? How is that fair?
 
sharon said:
Well.. then Israel has to give up her nukes..
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Whether anyone likes it or not the facts are India, Pakinstan, Israel and North Korea are not signatories of the NPT. They have chosen not to sign. Iran is a voluntary signatory of the NPT and so they have to abide by its rules. At the end of the day Iran signed up to the NPT voluntarily for the good of the cause to stop the proliferation of nuclear weapons. If Iran is not being upfront with the IAEA and want to build nuclear weapons they could simply pull out of the NPT just as North Korea did. Obviously though that's not an ideal scenario either but to say just let them have them because Israel does just doesn't make any sense.

There's many of us who don't want to see it escalate into full scale war between Israel and Iran because we know the human cost will be significant and that's what makes me pissed at Iranian leaders. There is no doubt about it Sharon, they are not being as co operative as they could be to halt the situation escalating.

I still hope political and diplomatic efforts can be made to settle Iran's nuclear issue to achieve a peaceful settlement. It is looking less likely though.
 
sharon said:
Israel is so afraid that they don't want Iran to be prosperous or stable...
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You really think that is the problem? If so, that's sad. An invasion is the quickest way to a free, prosperous and developing Iran. Who wants "stable" when the country is in the dark ages?

I don't think much of the Iranian government...
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A sideways complement? Are you joking?
 
ecofarm said:
We should give Syria and Somalia nukes; right, sharon? How ludicrous.
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I didn't say anything about giving anyone nukes.. But, after 50 years of demanding that the ME and North Africa be nuke free, its come to this sorry impasse.

Everyone wants a nuke to insure their safety and sovereignty..
 
ecofarm said:
You really think that is the problem? If so, that's sad. An invasion is the quickest way to a free, prosperous and developing Iran. Who wants "stable" when the country is in the dark ages?

A sideways complement? Are you joking?
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I spent a lot of time in Iran.. and they are not in the dark ages.. They have always had fine universities and medical schools as well a a rich culture.

Do you remember about 2 years ago Jordan and Russia announced a joint venture to build nuclear power and desalination facilities? Jordan is desperate for water.

Jordan also has lots and lots of uranium which they could sell... and they are a somewhat impoverished country.

Israel immediately challenged Jordan's right to develop nuclear power even tho' Amman said they would throw open their doors to any and all inspectors.
 
A majority of us are sane and rational, and probably realize that we have a world organization, the UN.
Those others, probably 95% tea-bagging conservatives, believe that the UN has failed (in truth, the UN has not been 100% successful).
I believe that there are better ways to achieve our ends....Given time, all nations "grow up", even ours.
The keyword is time.
The "Arab Spring" will hit North Korea, Iran , Syria, and even give us a nudge or two.
 
Serenity said:
Whether anyone likes it or not the facts are India, Pakinstan, Israel and North Korea are not signatories of the NPT. They have chosen not to sign. Iran is a voluntary signatory of the NPT and so they have to abide by its rules. At the end of the day Iran signed up to the NPT voluntarily for the good of the cause to stop the proliferation of nuclear weapons. If Iran is not being upfront with the IAEA and want to build nuclear weapons they could simply pull out of the NPT just as North Korea did. Obviously though that's not an ideal scenario either but to say just let them have them because Israel does just doesn't make any sense.

There's many of us who don't want to see it escalate into full scale war between Israel and Iran because we know the human cost will be significant and that's what makes me pissed at Iranian leaders. There is no doubt about it Sharon, they are not being as co operative as they could be to halt the situation escalating.

I still hope political and diplomatic efforts can be made to settle Iran's nuclear issue to achieve a peaceful settlement. It is looking less likely though.
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Serenity: this is not one-sided problem.. and its not a new problem. Israel is as much to blame as Iran..

And the Saudi Peace initiative turns to dust.
 
Most interesting.
IMO, ISrael is WRONG for blocking this...
And, I wonder at times, who is really in the "dark ages" ???
 
sharon said:
Quote me EXACTLY or don't.
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First, I can approximate quote when I want. If you don't like it, report me and/or stfu - you're not the boss. Second,

sharon said:
Unfortunately, either no one should have nukes or everyone should have them.
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Does that say "everyone should be allowed to develop them? No, it doesn't. It says "have them", so spare me the "I never said anything about giving anyone nukes" crap. Your position is clear: everyone should have nukes. And that position is stupid.


Now, care to explain how what happened to the Japanese cannot happen to Arabs/Persians? I presume you are droping your absurd "you cannot bomb people into democracy" position with that example glaring at you.
 
earthworm said:
And, I wonder at times, who is really in the "dark ages" ???
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Oh, I know, I know!!

Is it teenagers posting on the internet who call themselves "progressive" while continually defending Islamists?
 
ecofarm said:
First, I can approximate quote when I want. If you don't like it, report me and/or stfu - you're not the boss. Second,

Does that say "everyone should be allowed to develop them? No, it doesn't. It says "have them", so spare me the "I never said anything about giving anyone nukes" crap. Your position is clear: everyone should have nukes. And that position is stupid.


Now, care to explain how what happened to the Japanese cannot happen to Arabs/Persians? I presume you are droping your absurd "you cannot bomb people into democracy" position with that example glaring at you.
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This is what I said:
Unfortunately, either no one should have nukes or everyone should have them.

I never thought it would come to this.. For 50 years the Saudis, Kuwaitis etc have demanded a nuke free ME.. and now this.

(Of course you can misquote anyone if it serves your purposes.)
 
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