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How Many Times Should America Rebuild New Orleans?

Rebuild New Orleans?

  • Yes - rebuild it every time it's hit

    Votes: 8 29.6%

  • yes - rebuild it, but make this the last time

    Votes: 2 7.4%

  • no - it's time to end the foolishness

    Votes: 14 51.9%

  • other - please explain

    Votes: 3 11.1%
  • Total voters
    27
Dragonfly said:
"Me and my family revisit there..."

So you moved away from New Orleans?
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We moved because my wife was offered the head surgeon position of a major hospital of the city we are currently living in and I just opened up a restaurant there.It's all about business.
 
Dragonfly said:
A large coastal city that's actually lower than sea level.
A place surrounded by levy's to keep water out under normal conditions.
Prone to hurricane strikes.

Why do we keep trying to rebuild this place?

Is it time to let nature have it back?
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I believe areas like that and other areas prone to natural disaster should not be getting anything. If they do get money it should be under the stipulation that the way people build in those areas should be changed.Houses and businesses should never be built below sea level.Houses and business in areas prone to high winds like tornado and hurricane should be built out of reinforced concrete and other materials and building methods designed to withstand high winds.
 
Verthaine said:
Umm,exactly how does one,from an engineering perspective,move an entire city to higher ground.And more importantly,are you willing to help pay for the billions,and possibly trillions of dollors that it would cost to do so?
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When it gets destroyed, instead of rebuilding it where it was, you rebuild it somewhere else? It costs the same either way. And as a taxpayer, I already helped pay for the rebuilding they've undergone since Katrina.
 
Diogenes said:
Are you seriously trying to blame the predictable miseries of the current population on the area founders from centuries ago? Are you claiming that the current population has no free will? That they have to be herded to safety?
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Not at all.I am pointing out that there are myriad of reasons why people live and stay where they are? Are you saying that a mass exodus/evacuation of over 300,000 people from a major is a simple thing of a matter of free will?Where shall all those people go?What do you suggest oh great and wise ancient philosopher?
 
Verthaine said:
Is there any wonder why I think a lot of sociopaths inhabit this forum?I wonder if Jesus would have endorsed this sentiment?
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What difference does it make what your imaginary friends think? This is the real world.
 
People don't suggest abandoning a city just because it's a potential target for disaster.

You don't hear anyone saying Miami should be bull-dozed into the ground.

Why?

Miami is not BELOW SEA LEVEL.

New Orleans is sinking isn't it?

You can't defeat nature. Water wins every time. The eastern Chinese profits knew this.

Why don't modern Americans?

1) Below sea level
2) On the coast of Gulf Of Mexico
3) In "hurricane alley"
4) surrounded by huge, major bodies of water
5) requires man-made earthen levies and pumps to keep water from flooding it on arid, dry, perfect weather days
 
Cephus said:
What difference does it make what your imaginary friends think?
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I'm not a christian,I'm a taoist.Doesn't mean I don't respect what the man stood for.Like the whole "love thy neighbor" bit.Great stuff in my opinion.You should try it sometime.
Cephus said:
This is the real world.
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And those are real human people living in that part of the real world.People who have friends,family and other people who love them.
In the real world,apparently there are a lot of sociopaths who delight in the thought of or just don't care about humans suffering.
 
Dragonfly said:
People don't suggest abandoning a city just because it's a potential target for disaster.

You don't hear anyone saying Miami should be bull-dozed into the ground.

Why?

Miami is not BELOW SEA LEVEL.

New Orleans is sinking isn't it?

You can't defeat nature. Water wins every time. The eastern Chinese profits knew this.

Why don't modern Americans?

1) Below sea level
2) On the coast of Gulf Of Mexico
3) In "hurricane alley"
4) surrounded by huge, major bodies of water
5) requires man-made earthen levies and pumps to keep water from flooding it on arid, dry, perfect weather days
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As a taoist I also realize that the ancient chinese "prophets" had more respect,compassion and understanding for their fellow human beings and human nature than you yourself are showing.

Do you realize the cost of abandoning New Orleans?What about Grand Isle and the rest of Plaquemines Parish.Or any place else that has frequent disasters?
Miami may not be sinking but it does get hit quite frequently by hurricanes.

Are you willing to help pay for the cost?
Where should all those people go?
 
Verthaine said:
I'm not a christian,I'm a taoist.Doesn't mean I don't respect what the man stood for.Like the whole "love thy neighbor" bit.Great stuff in my opinion.You should try it sometime.
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Too bad he never said anything about taking responsibility for yourself, if indeed Jesus ever existed at all.

And those are real human people living in that part of the real world.People who have friends,family and other people who love them.
In the real world,apparently there are a lot of sociopaths who delight in the thought of or just don't care about humans suffering.
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Or who think people ought to accept the consequences of choices they make. If you keep putting your house in the path of a hurricane and it keeps getting destroyed, whose fault is that?
 
Cephus said:
Too bad he never said anything about taking responsibility for yourself,
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Nor did he say anything about reveling in other peoples misery[/quote]
Cephus said:
if indeed Jesus ever existed at all.
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This is not what this discussion is about.

Cephus said:
Or who think people ought to accept the consequences of choices they make.
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Do you think people should delight others getting those consequences of the choices they make?
Are you so perfect that you yourself never made bad choices?
Cephus said:
If you keep putting your house in the path of a hurricane and it keeps getting destroyed, whose fault is that?
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Is New Orleans being destroyed as we of this moment?
If you enjoy watching that hurricane destroy that person's house,what kind of human being does that make you?
 
Verthaine said:
I'm not a christian,I'm a taoist.Doesn't mean I don't respect what the man stood for.Like the whole "love thy neighbor" bit.Great stuff in my opinion.You should try it sometime.

And those are real human people living in that part of the real world.People who have friends,family and other people who love them.
In the real world,apparently there are a lot of sociopaths who delight in the thought of or just don't care about humans suffering.
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I think you are confusing self-induced human suffering with non-voluntary human suffering. Call me a sociopath all you want, but I just don't have sympathy for people who suffer as a result of their own stupidity. Blame my mother if you want, as a kid, if we did something really stupid, her response to it was "if your looking for sympathy, it's in the dictionary between **** and syphilis".
 
waas said:
Am I? I thought it was clear that I suggested relocation. :shrug:
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Where to and what about the poor,the sick and the elderly?Who's going to pay for all that?
 
lizzie said:
We shouldn't rebuild at all. If the residents of the city want to rebuild, then let them, but whoever thought it was a bright idea to build a city below sea level, was unwise, and it shouldn't be the responsibility of the federal taxpayer to keep paying for someone else's mistakes.
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^^^^^ this
 
New Orleans is geographically located at the mouth of the Mississippi River, and is therefore one of the most important ports in the United States. Wherever you have a major port, you're going to have a major city. For this reason, choosing not to rebuild it simply isn't an option.
 
Verthaine said:
Where to and what about the poor,the sick and the elderly?Who's going to pay for all that?
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A.) They can be relocated as well, no?

B.) Probably the same people that pay to rebuild the city. Relocation is a one time expense, but clearly rebuilding is not.
 
I find some of these reply's quite sad to be honest. One would be forgiven for thinking the object for discussion was an 'old bed' or some other inanimate object......

Paul
 
Dragonfly said:
So you wouldn't live there permanently?
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I can think of at least five good reasons why I could not live there

May
June
July
August
Sepember

I absolutely hate hot and humid muggy climates. As a daily long distance runner - it would wreak havoc with me. I think I could live there during the northern winters and be very very happy.

Acme Oyster House was built by God himself. The last time we were there we went to this breakfast place downtown that was rated as one of the best such places by USA today. Nothing fancy just great food. I had etouffee and it was beyond delicious. If I lived there I could see getting that twice weekly.
 
DVSentinel said:
I think you are confusing self-induced human suffering with non-voluntary human suffering. Call me a sociopath all you want, but I just don't have sympathy for people who suffer as a result of their own stupidity. Blame my mother if you want, as a kid, if we did something really stupid, her response to it was "if your looking for sympathy, it's in the dictionary between **** and syphilis".
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New Orleans isn't being destroyed as we speak.The levees are holding out.Why does it seem so many people here seem disappointed at that rather than being thankful that there is no lose of human life?
Just because people are "stupid" as you people put it,does not mean you should delight in their suffering.Since you by your own admittance have done stupid things,should people delight in your suffering?
 
Kandahar said:
New Orleans is geographically located at the mouth of the Mississippi River, and is therefore one of the most important ports in the United States. Wherever you have a major port, you're going to have a major city. For this reason, choosing not to rebuild it simply isn't an option.
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No fair bringing facts that get in the way of people here hating on their fellow human beings.
 
I don't know. Its an amazing city with a lot of history and culture. At the same time I estimated the numbers and if I was right (probably wasn't :), the cost to rebuild it would be about $500,000 per resident. If I lived in NOLA and was offered $500,000 to leave and start over somewhere else or stay while Uncle Sam uses that money to rebuild the city for you and your fellow New Orleanians, I'd take the money and get out of dodge. Mom, Dad and two kids would get $2 million to relocate to wherever they want. Who wouldn't?

Then hand over the city to the a dozen of the top civil engineering universities in America and the US Army Corp of Engineers to bulldoze and smartly rebuild it, if possible permanently fixing the under sea level issues. 10 to 15 years later auction off parcels of it to developers to recoup the costs of buying out former residents and re-engineering costs to the university and the Army.
 
gunner said:
I find some of these reply's quite sad to be honest. One would be forgiven for thinking the object for discussion was an 'old bed' or some other inanimate object......

Paul
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