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How Many Times Should America Rebuild New Orleans?

Rebuild New Orleans?


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Dragonfly

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A large coastal city that's actually lower than sea level.
A place surrounded by levy's to keep water out under normal conditions.
Prone to hurricane strikes.

Why do we keep trying to rebuild this place?

Is it time to let nature have it back?
 
A large coastal city that's actually lower than sea level.
A place surrounded by levy's to keep water out under normal conditions.
Prone to hurricane strikes.

Why do we keep trying to rebuild this place?

Is it time to let nature have it back?

When Katrina hit, I thought it was foolish to rebuild the city. Since the subject wasn't debated, then I was disappointed that our government didn't step up harder and faster to help with the rebuild. Some places still look like a war zone. This hit isn't going to be as bad.

But if it's ever hit again, I hope discussion comes to the table to rebuild the city somewhere else -- with plenty of help from the Federal government.

Here in Chicago, New Orleans' rebuilding was compared with putting a huge bathtub out in Lake Michigan and then being surprised when it filled up.
 
We shouldn't rebuild at all. If the residents of the city want to rebuild, then let them, but whoever thought it was a bright idea to build a city below sea level, was unwise, and it shouldn't be the responsibility of the federal taxpayer to keep paying for someone else's mistakes.
 
We shouldn't rebuild at all. If the residents of the city want to rebuild, then let them, but whoever thought it was a bright idea to build a city below sea level, was unwise, and it shouldn't be the responsibility of the federal taxpayer to keep paying for someone else's mistakes.

I have heard it said that it was a stroke of genius to build a city below sea level in a hurricane zone and then fill it with Democrats. But I do object to having my pocket picked to repeat their poor judgment - not just in New Orleans, but everywhere the federal flood insurance program encourages foolish behavior.
 
I happen to absolutely LOVE the city of New Orleans. I would go there in a heartbeat for a vacation providing we were not in the summertime.

Its a great town with great people, great restaurants, great culture and is like no other place in America. It is a national treasure and we should not be so quick to write it off.
 
When Katrina hit, I thought it was foolish to rebuild the city. Since the subject wasn't debated, then I was disappointed that our government didn't step up harder and faster to help with the rebuild. Some places still look like a war zone. This hit isn't going to be as bad.

But if it's ever hit again, I hope discussion comes to the table to rebuild the city somewhere else -- with plenty of help from the Federal government.

Here in Chicago, New Orleans' rebuilding was compared with putting a huge bathtub out in Lake Michigan and then being surprised when it filled up.
Why should my tax dollars be used to dig out Chicago the next time a big blizzard hits there?
 
Turn all emergency funding obligations over to the State of Louisiana. That way they can decide for themselves what to do.
 
A large coastal city that's actually lower than sea level.
A place surrounded by levy's to keep water out under normal conditions.
Prone to hurricane strikes.

Why do we keep trying to rebuild this place?

Is it time to let nature have it back?
Then shouldn't we do that for anyplace in this country that gets hit with tornadoes,earthquakes,cyclones,floods,wildfires,etc?
 
I know they had to work on the levies, since Katrina. The levies needed to be strengthend prior to Katrina, but weren't. Yes, they will have to work on them after Isaac. But, perhaps this time they can build them up better. My cousins with a place on one of our region's floodplains, built their home up very high, with a garage underneath. Lovely area, but living there is a risk. I live on a hill, we have occasional storms, but no hurricanes.
 
New Orleans is only one of many areas of the US prone to natural disasters. Why do we allow federal aid for California when it's hit by an earthquake or wildfire? Tornados in the Mid-West; hurricanes in the Southeast, etc.

If we use the standard of "it has happened before and is likely to happen again" as the measure for which portions of the US to condemn (aside from the ginormous cost to taxpayers), which areas of the US will be left -- and how will we all cram into them?
 
After Katrina, I thought we should have had like a big public works project.
Dig several million ponds across the mid-west, and raise the low laying areas about 20 feet.
Settle the ground, and build the new houses on the raised ground.
The french quarter is much higher already.
If a person owned a lot, they still have the same lot, just higher.
It does look like they have fixed the problem, shell beach storm surge got to 14', and the tide gates held.
14' may have topped the old flood walls, those flood walls are now behind a flood gate that got closed
as the storm approached.
 
After Katrina, I thought we should have had like a big public works project.
Dig several million ponds across the mid-west, and raise the low laying areas about 20 feet.
Settle the ground, and build the new houses on the raised ground.
The french quarter is much higher already.
If a person owned a lot, they still have the same lot, just higher.
It does look like they have fixed the problem, shell beach storm surge got to 14', and the tide gates held.
14' may have topped the old flood walls, those flood walls are now behind a flood gate that got closed
as the storm approached.
That's good to hear.I opened my first restaurant in New Orleans 20 years ago.I met my late wife there.My children were born there.I have lots of fond memories of that city.Me and my family revisit there for Mardi Gras,French Quarter Fest,and JazzFest.

Sorry all the sociopaths on this forum who delight in human misery and suffering are going to be disappointed that the city wasn't destroyed.
 
Sorry all the sociopaths on this forum who delight in human misery and suffering are going to be disappointed that the city wasn't destroyed.

Nobody delights in human misery, but some of us object to continually having to subsidize the poor judgment of others.
 
Nobody delights in human misery, but some of us object to continually having to subsidize the poor judgment of others.

No "we" don't, and even if I did, the "poor judgment" was more the Army Corps of Engineers than anyone else's.
 
Just let nature take it back. Is it really worth the time and money to rebuild a city that'll eventually be destroyed again anyways?
 
New Orleans is only one of many areas of the US prone to natural disasters. Why do we allow federal aid for California when it's hit by an earthquake or wildfire? Tornados in the Mid-West; hurricanes in the Southeast, etc.

If we use the standard of "it has happened before and is likely to happen again" as the measure for which portions of the US to condemn (aside from the ginormous cost to taxpayers), which areas of the US will be left -- and how will we all cram into them?

Because in California, we have earthquake-resistant building codes and if we have to rebuild a building, it will likely stand up to the next earthquake. With New Orleans, they put the city right back below sea level, the same problem it had before! You simply do not put a city prone to flooding below sea level! It's idiotic. If they had moved it elsewhere, where failed levies aren't going to result in widespread destruction, fine. That is, however, not what they did.
 
considering that much of the US is vulnerable to earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, and even volcanoes, i wouldn't cut off federal aid to NO. however, i think there should be some pretty serious public works projects. if it were possible to raise parts of the city at least to the level of the French Quarter, that would be a good idea. however, that would most likely be an unfathomably expensive undertaking.
 
Nobody delights in human misery,
Speak for yourself.From the some of the comments posted on this and other forums,you could of fooled me.

but some of us object to continually having to subsidize the poor judgment of others.

You mean Iberville?The guy who founded New Orleans?So are you saying the people of New Orleans should suffer for it?How about the people of Plaquemines Parish and the Mississipi Gulf Coast?Should they be made to suffer because of the actions of their areas founders.So you live in some Utopia that has never had anything bad happen there?
 
Speak for yourself.From the some of the comments posted on this and other forums,you could of fooled me.



You mean Iberville?The guy who founded New Orleans?So are you saying the people of New Orleans should suffer for it?How about the people of Plaquemines Parish and the Mississipi Gulf Coast?Should they be made to suffer because of the actions of their areas founders.So you live in some Utopia that has never had anything bad happen there?

Oh silly, ethics don't exist on the internet.
 
Because in California, we have earthquake-resistant building codes and if we have to rebuild a building, it will likely stand up to the next earthquake. With New Orleans, they put the city right back below sea level, the same problem it had before! You simply do not put a city prone to flooding below sea level! It's idiotic. If they had moved it elsewhere, where failed levies aren't going to result in widespread destruction, fine. That is, however, not what they did.

Umm,exactly how does one,from an engineering perspective,move an entire city to higher ground.And more importantly,are you willing to help pay for the billions,and possibly trillions of dollors that it would cost to do so?
 
Oh silly, ethics don't exist on the internet.

My bad,I forgot.But from some of the comments I've seen here on this forum,sociopathology does exist.
 
What happens to New Orleans is the business of New Orleans, not the rest of us. Franly, I have never liked that town. More welfare slum per square acre than anyplace I have ever seen in the US (I've never been to DC, but hear it is bad also). If they want levies so they can live below sea level, fine, let them pay for them, not the rest of us. Other places that are prone to natural disaster do receive some disaster relief but nothing like a government funded attempt to prevent those disasters. Tornado shelters, earthquake code building, etc, etc are funded by individuals not the government. Recovery in these areas are mostly done on insurance money, not federal aid.

After Katrina, I always thought the first step in rebuilding the area should of been blowing the levies and then telling the poeple to now build where there is dry land. Of course, since a Hurricane can be seen coming for days on end and is not a "suprise attack by Nature" like tornados, earthquakes, etc and the people were told ahead of time to evacuate, the state even had lots of unused busses it provided for evacutation, then I didn't really support the rescue efforts either. Those people made their choice, they should of had to live (or not) with that choice. Stupidity breeds stupidity, allowing stupid people to eliminate themselves from the gene pool is a good thing, the sooner the better.
 
What happens to New Orleans is the business of New Orleans, not the rest of us. Franly, I have never liked that town. More welfare slum per square acre than anyplace I have ever seen in the US (I've never been to DC, but hear it is bad also). If they want levies so they can live below sea level, fine, let them pay for them, not the rest of us. Other places that are prone to natural disaster do receive some disaster relief but nothing like a government funded attempt to prevent those disasters. Tornado shelters, earthquake code building, etc, etc are funded by individuals not the government. Recovery in these areas are mostly done on insurance money, not federal aid.

After Katrina, I always thought the first step in rebuilding the area should of been blowing the levies and then telling the poeple to now build where there is dry land. Of course, since a Hurricane can be seen coming for days on end and is not a "suprise attack by Nature" like tornados, earthquakes, etc and the people were told ahead of time to evacuate, the state even had lots of unused busses it provided for evacutation, then I didn't really support the rescue efforts either. Those people made their choice, they should of had to live (or not) with that choice. Stupidity breeds stupidity, allowing stupid people to eliminate themselves from the gene pool is a good thing, the sooner the better.

Is there any wonder why I think a lot of sociopaths inhabit this forum?I wonder if Jesus would have endorsed this sentiment?
 
You mean Iberville?The guy who founded New Orleans?So are you saying the people of New Orleans should suffer for it?How about the people of Plaquemines Parish and the Mississipi Gulf Coast?Should they be made to suffer because of the actions of their areas founders.So you live in some Utopia that has never had anything bad happen there?

Are you seriously trying to blame the predictable miseries of the current population on the area founders from centuries ago? Are you claiming that the current population has no free will? That they have to be herded to safety?
 
That's good to hear.I opened my first restaurant in New Orleans 20 years ago.I met my late wife there.My children were born there.I have lots of fond memories of that city.Me and my family revisit there for Mardi Gras,French Quarter Fest,and JazzFest.

Sorry all the sociopaths on this forum who delight in human misery and suffering are going to be disappointed that the city wasn't destroyed.

"Me and my family revisit there..."

So you moved away from New Orleans?
 
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