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Who do you believe will win in Nov

Who will win in Nov

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LiberalAvenger said:
I kinda think so. look what the right did about obama's religious affiliations and the church he attended. what goes around comes around.
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As does the hypocracy of the screeching masses who claimed it was immoral and biogoted, until they had a chance to do it themselves.
 
Schutzengel said:
As does the hypocracy of the screeching masses who claimed it was immoral and biogoted, until they had a chance to do it themselves.
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I am not claiming it's right . I am just saying that's just the way it is.
 
LiberalAvenger said:
I am not claiming it's right . I am just saying that's just the way it is.
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That's a fun way to wash your hands of it... instead of being morally consistant, and saying it's wrong... but that's ok... I understand.
 
Schutzengel said:
That's a fun way to wash your hands of it... instead of being morally consistant, and saying it's wrong... but that's ok... I understand.
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I don't believe in putting myself on a high moal pedistol ad judging others' I'll leave that to the likes of pat robertson. "Judge not lest ye be judged"
 
LiberalAvenger said:
I don't believe in putting myself on a high moal pedistol ad judging others' I'll leave that to the likes of pat robertson. "Judge not lest ye be judged"
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Actually it's this

matthew 7:1-6 said:
1"Do not judge, or you too will be judged.2For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.3"Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother's eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye?4How can you say to your brother, 'Let me take the speck out of your eye,' when all the time there is a plank in your own eye?5You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.6"Do not give dogs what is sacred; do not throw your pearls to pigs. If you do, they may trample them under their feet, and then turn and tear you to pieces.
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Directing someone when they are morally out of bounds isn't judgement... condemning them, assigning motives, saying that you know what they think...

Saying that you know what is in the heart of another man, that is judgement...

picking up another brother who has stumbled along the way ... that is guidance, and mercy...

but that's just my take on it.
 
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lpast said:
I agree with this assessment and Ive said for quite awhile the debates will define who the winner will be....theres no ads in debates, no soundbites...the two candidates are blowing in the wind and either answer the question or avoid it...and the people watching will know the difference.
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Meh, I'm not sure how much of an impact the debates ultimately have on elections anyway. Unless a candidate who voters don't know very well (Romney in this case) comes across as completely unpalatable as a president, I doubt they'll matter much.
 
Kandahar said:
Meh, I'm not sure how much of an impact the debates ultimately have on elections anyway. Unless a candidate who voters don't know very well (Romney in this case) comes across as completely unpalatable as a president, I doubt they'll matter much.
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Well I dont agree..romny is no more unpalatable to voters than obama is...they are both split pretty even and when an election is this close Debates in my opinion can mean much.
 
Schutzengel said:
Actually it's this




Directing someone when they are morally out of bounds isn't judgement... condemning them, assigning motives, saying that you know what they think...

Saying that you know what is in the heart of another man, that is judgement...

picking up another brother who has stumbled along the way ... that is guidance, and mercy...

but that's just my take on it.
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A very good one, I must say.:)
 
lpast said:
Seems ryan has given romney a boost. See cpwill I can admit it :) I just read Romney took the lead in Ohio, Fla and Wisconsin all big swing states in a quinnipiac poll which seem to be fair minded pollsters.

Quinnipiac: Obama Leading in Florida, Ohio, Wisconsin

There is also the a famously accurate poll model that predicts Presidential winners having romny as winning in nov...using thier model they have been 100% accurate since 1980 in predicting the winner.

Analysis of election factors points to Romney win, University of Colorado study says | University of Colorado Boulder

Do you believe Obama or Romney will win in Nov....I still believe the debates can turn the tide and firmly place the winner, however, going into the debates Romny/Ryan have a clear edge.
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I do not know who will win. However, I am 100% certain that no matter who wins the election the People will lose.
 
Analysis of election factors points to Romney win, University of Colorado study says

“For the last eight presidential elections, this model has correctly predicted the winner,” said Berry. “The economy has seen some improvement since President Obama took office. What remains to be seen is whether voters will consider the economy in relative or absolute terms. If it’s the former, the president may receive credit for the economy’s trajectory and win a second term. In the latter case, Romney should pick up a number of states Obama won in 2008.”
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lpast said:
Well I dont agree..romny is no more unpalatable to voters than obama is...they are both split pretty even and when an election is this close Debates in my opinion can mean much.
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Voters already know Obama well; he's been on their TVs for at least four years now. They more or less know what they think of him, and nothing he can say on a debate stage is going to sway their opinion of him very much. Romney is more of a blank slate, at least to some voters. The only way his debate performance could affect his standing is if voters get the feeling that he simply isn't up to the job. And I don't think that's very likely to happen...so I doubt that anything either candidate says during the debate is going to move the needle very much. For the most part, major political moments in debates are mostly a creation of Aaron Sorkin and the media IMO.
 
I probably will not vote in this election because pot heads are still being persecuted under his administration.

ALSO THE WAR RAGES ON.
 
lpast said:
Well I dont agree..romny is no more unpalatable to voters than obama is...they are both split pretty even and when an election is this close Debates in my opinion can mean much.
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Debates have often turned the tide or perhaps even been the deciding factor in many elections. Carter was in deep before the debate against Reagan, but that debate sealed the election for Reagan. Same with Bush/Dukakis. A dlip of a strong debate by Dukakis and a weak one by Bush might have led to a different outcome. Gore was overconfident and a sneaky good GWB got him off his game and he was never able to recover. Had it not been for those debates, we could have very well been looking at a Gore presidency.

This election however, there is so little difference between the two. Romney will be basically saying me too. A huge Obama slip up may turn the tide, but it would have to be monumental. Romney will not on his own be able to draw any significant distinction between Obama and himself. The Debates will likely be a tie, as neither candidate can offer any substantive positive results or plans. Romney will have to knock Obama off the perch, but since Romney doesn't have the strength to do so, Obama will have to fall off the perch for Romney to have a big win and change the tide of the election .
 
00timh said:
Debates have often turned the tide or perhaps even been the deciding factor in many elections. Carter was in deep before the debate against Reagan, but that debate sealed the election for Reagan. Same with Bush/Dukakis. A dlip of a strong debate by Dukakis and a weak one by Bush might have led to a different outcome. Gore was overconfident and a sneaky good GWB got him off his game and he was never able to recover. Had it not been for those debates, we could have very well been looking at a Gore presidency.

This election however, there is so little difference between the two. Romney will be basically saying me too. A huge Obama slip up may turn the tide, but it would have to be monumental. Romney will not on his own be able to draw any significant distinction between Obama and himself. The Debates will likely be a tie, as neither candidate can offer any substantive positive results or plans. Romney will have to knock Obama off the perch, but since Romney doesn't have the strength to do so, Obama will have to fall off the perch for Romney to have a big win and change the tide of the election .
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I hope they put the debates on the comedy channel.
 
Romney will win by outspending Obama three or four to one over the last four to five weeks of the campaign. We will see an onslaught of the nastiest and ugliest commercials every produced and mainly fueled by Citizens United permitted money. It is the beginning of the end of our democratic republic and the start of the onset of corporate fascism.
 
haymarket said:
Romney will win by outspending Obama three or four to one over the last four to five weeks of the campaign. We will see an onslaught of the nastiest and ugliest commercials every produced and mainly fueled by Citizens United permitted money. It is the beginning of the end of our democratic republic and the start of the onset of corporate fascism.
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Oh, come on, Haymarket. Really? The beginning of the end? That's all it takes? Romney in the White House? I don't even think that about Obama and I know he's determined to move us closer to socialism. The odds of Republicans getting a majority in both houses is remote. Thankfully, the same can be said about Democrats.

It'll be all right, Haymarket, You'll see. ;)
 
haymarket said:
Romney will win by outspending Obama three or four to one over the last four to five weeks of the campaign. We will see an onslaught of the nastiest and ugliest commercials every produced and mainly fueled by Citizens United permitted money. It is the beginning of the end of our democratic republic and the start of the onset of corporate fascism.
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Yes, it will be the "new world oligarchy"
 
MaggieD said:
Oh, come on, Haymarket. Really? The beginning of the end? That's all it takes? Romney in the White House? I don't even think that about Obama and I know he's determined to move us closer to socialism. The odds of Republicans getting a majority in both houses is remote. Thankfully, the same can be said about Democrats.

It'll be all right, Haymarket, You'll see. ;)
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I am assuming that a Romney victory will also allow the GOP to capture the Senate and hold onto the House. I then assume that there will be enough Democrats in the Senate like Manchin of WV who will demonstrate a complete lack of spine and refuse to play hardball against the Republicans.

What we have seen happen in states like Michigan, Wisconsin and Ohio when the GOP right wing captures the entire state govt mechanism will then happen on a federal level. They will repeal much of the political reforms of the 20th century in a drive to take America back to the Gilded Age.

It indeed will be the beginning of the end.
 
haymarket said:
It is the beginning of the end of our democratic republic and the start of the onset of corporate fascism.
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FDR put out the open for business sign on corporate fascism and both major parties have found business booming.
 
haymarket said:
I am assuming that a Romney victory will also allow the GOP to capture the Senate and hold onto the House. I then assume that there will be enough Democrats in the Senate like Manchin of WV who will demonstrate a complete lack of spine and refuse to play hardball against the Republicans.

What we have seen happen in states like Michigan, Wisconsin and Ohio when the GOP right wing captures the entire state govt mechanism will then happen on a federal level. They will repeal much of the political reforms of the 20th century in a drive to take America back to the Gilded Age.

It indeed will be the beginning of the end.
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Then the people will rebel and the rebellion will be squashed by our banana republic military, which was instituted by nixon. It's all part of the master plan to make slavery legal again.
 
This is a hard question to answer. If people on mass vote on the economy plus the fact that Obama was hired to fix it and did not, than I would say that Romney would win. Romney would not win because he is the best man for the job (as in the primaries) he would win because Obama did not do what he was hired to do (fix the economy).

If Obama is successful in convincing people that Romney is a rich fat cat that wants to steal your money, kill your grandma, impregnate you, give you cancer, make black people slaves again, and send your job overseas than Obama will win. And there are a lot of people out there that will believe that.

So it’s a toss-up on whether people are angry that Obama did not fix the economy, or if people are afraid of Romney.
 
ARealConservative said:
FDR put out the open for business sign on corporate fascism and both major parties have found business booming.
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Really now? FDR was the one who stopped fascism from overtaking America. He saved democracy and capitalism.
 
LiberalAvenger said:
Then the people will rebel and the rebellion will be squashed by our banana republic military, which was instituted by nixon. It's all part of the master plan to make slavery legal again.
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The people might rebel..... or reality TV will seduce them to not care too much as long as the cable is working and the drinks are flowing. The right wing wants to repeal most of the 20th century and they have already captured the Republican party as part of their strategy. Right Libertarians realized they were never going to amount to more than a pimple on the ass of the body politic trying to get elected as Libertarians so they have abandoned their party and have taken over the GOP.

Great strategy........... for them. Bad strategy........... for the American people.
 
I'm not sure, recently Romney has been gaining in the polls and I would hope that this trend continues into November. I would much prefer that Romney wins, but for me it's too early to give a prediction.
 
haymarket said:
The people might rebel..... or reality TV will seduce them to not care too much as long as the cable is working and the drinks are flowing. The right wing wants to repeal most of the 20th century and they have already captured the Republican party as part of their strategy. Right Libertarians realized they were never going to amount to more than a pimple on the ass of the body politic trying to get elected as Libertarians so they have abandoned their party and have taken over the GOP.

Great strategy........... for them. Bad strategy........... for the American people.
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I tend to agree with the statement that you have made but I would change one big thing. It is not just the right, libertarians, and the republicans it is the entire political system that has been corrupted. We the people need to pay more attention to what is going on and get more active in the process. The people need to audit the government. A government should always fear the people not the other way around.
 
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