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Paul Ryan, Help Or Hurt Romney

Will Ryan as VP help or hurt Romney win election?

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haymarket said:
The very idea of a Randroid in the White House is something out of a nightmare novel.
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It is only a potential nightmare for the man who believes he has the 'right' to demand that others be forced to carry the burden of his survival for him. So yeah, I can think of a few people who wont be too happy. I guess you could say "it sucks to be them." But that was always true.
 
haymarket said:
The very idea of a Randroid in the White House is something out of a nightmare novel.
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If Romney-Ryan win the election, then we will long for the days of Bush-Cheney. They will be that bad.

All this libertarian theory would be brutally exposed as just that--theory.
 
MarineTpartier said:
Okay, the tax cuts for the rich rhetoric has to stop. It is true that his tax plan took taxes for the "rich" down to 25%. What you ignore is that his plan cut out all of the loopholes that allowed the "rich" to get their average tax rate down to 25% ANYWAY. Don't buy the media hype bro, do your own research.
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We have heard this line every election. Take out the tax loopholes. And just like Lucy holding the football for Charley Brown she pulls it away each time after promising.

I really can't believe the big donators to the candidates would be giving that much money if they were thinking it was going to thwart their long time tradition of having tax loopholes.
It doesn't matter who wins, the tax loopholes will be here 4 years from now.
 
Crosscheck said:
We have heard this line every election. Take out the tax loopholes. And just like Lucy holding the football for Charley Brown she pulls it away each time after promising.

I really can't believe the big donators to the candidates would be giving that much money if they were thinking it was going to thwart their long time tradition of having tax loopholes.
It doesn't matter who wins, the tax loopholes will be here 4 years from now.
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If the Senate had passed Ryans budget, it would have been a reality. I agree that we have heard it all before, however, it hasn't been passed on the House floor. It has just been mentioned as some kind of talking point. Now, it has been legitimately passed through the House. Honestly, I would rather Dems lose the Senate and Romney win. BTW, hilarious Charlie Brown analogy. I like it.
 
haymarket said:
The very idea of a Randroid in the White House is something out of a nightmare novel.
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the only people who dislike Rand are those she called LOOTERS
 
TurtleDude said:
the only people who dislike Rand are those she called LOOTERS
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Oh did she mean all the americans put out of work by outsourcing so the CEOs could get bigger bonus...those looters ? or Jaimie Dimond and JP Morgan and Libor those looters ? which looters we talking about turtle
 
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lpast said:
Oh did she mean all the americans put out of work by outsourcing so the CEOs could get bigger bonus...those looters ?
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have you ever figured out why stuff is outsourced? do you buy anything made overseas? Outsourcing is one of those silly bugaboos that the mindless on the left spew without really understanding things

what is better-a company that buys supplies or commodities from global sources and remains in business in the USA or one that pays too much for commodities and goes out of business meaning everyone in America who worked for that company are out of work
 
TurtleDude said:
have you ever figured out why stuff is outsourced? do you buy anything made overseas? Outsourcing is one of those silly bugaboos that the mindless on the left spew without really understanding things

what is better-a company that buys supplies or commodities from global sources and remains in business in the USA or one that pays too much for commodities and goes out of business meaning everyone in America who worked for that company are out of work
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Turtle dont give me that crap ok...ive been around too long to listen to that garbage anymore
 
Outsourcing has destroyed our economy and the middleclass and has caused nothing but misery for millions of people put out of work...that are either unemployed and cant pay their mortgages or underemployed and cant meet their bills...all the while the RICH JUST GOT RICHER AND RICHER and paid less and less taxs...and here is turtledude still trying to blame all the people put out of work call them looters and hail the rich as the great saviors for outsourcing and screwing everyone....turtle if romney loses it will be precisely for that callous disengenuous rich brat attitude
 
lpast said:
Turtle dont give me that crap ok...ive been around too long to listen to that garbage anymore
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the garbage is the crap that comes from people who squawk like parrots that outsourcing-without understanding the facts about it-is always bad
 
lpast said:
Outsourcing has destroyed our economy and the middleclass and has caused nothing but misery for millions of people put out of work...that are either unemployed and cant pay their mortgages or underemployed and cant meet their bills...all the while the RICH JUST GOT RICHER AND RICHER and paid less and less taxs...and here is turtledude still trying to blame all the people put out of work call them looters and hail the rich as the great saviors for outsourcing and screwing everyone....turtle if romney loses it will be precisely for that callous disengenuous rich brat attitude
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a bright and shining bit of BS. its simplistic nonsense to make such and idiotic claim

globalism is with us whether you like it or not and you cannot undue the fact that some countries now have laborers that are as skilled as our blue collar workers and who are willing to work for far less. Nothing will change that fact and those who want to remain semi skilled and expect to get paid top dollar despite the competition worldwide are idiots. the way to maintain good wages is to be SKILLED. and your moronic rants about the rich are just that-populist psychobabble of someone who is ignorant about how the world labor market works.

your posts are the product of a public sector union worker who has no clue that most jobs have to compete with foreign labor.
 
TurtleDude said:
a bright and shining bit of BS. its simplistic nonsense to make such and idiotic claim

globalism is with us whether you like it or not and you cannot undue the fact that some countries now have laborers that are as skilled as our blue collar workers and who are willing to work for far less. Nothing will change that fact and those who want to remain semi skilled and expect to get paid top dollar despite the competition worldwide are idiots. the way to maintain good wages is to be SKILLED. and your moronic rants about the rich are just that-populist psychobabble of someone who is ignorant about how the world labor market works.

your posts are the product of a public sector union worker who has no clue that most jobs have to compete with foreign labor.
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Your posts are full of rich guy privledged BS and every post denigrates people that work for a living and blames them for all the debt and woes...every day another big pig bank is caught criminally and get away with it...you blow that off....you never acknowledge all the people your pigs put out of work and you never ever mention the full 50% cut in taxs and the fact the divide between have NOTHINGS and HAVE IT ALL h as grown in leaps and bounds since Mittzy and the boys started screwing the working class

Turtle one thing is for certain...there is no more decent jobs left for all americans...you can cut entitlements all you want...and trust this...the tearparty is on a high...it wont stay that way...the far right will not win in the end...because the people are not going to stop hurting anymore...and it will all turn around....I made far more money in business my wife and I ...my police salary was an allowance...so dont give me your pompous bs ok..im not impressed one iota
 
lpast said:
Outsourcing has destroyed our economy and the middleclass and has caused nothing but misery for millions of people put out of work...that are either unemployed and cant pay their mortgages or underemployed and cant meet their bills...
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Then US citizens are going to have to pony up, and stop demanding cheap Chinese sh*t. People in this country want to get cheap stuff, and they are not willing to pay for Americans to produce them, at American wages. It's just as much the fault of Joe and Jane Blow, as it is anyone's.
 
lpast said:
Your posts are full of rich guy privledged BS and every post denigrates people that work for a living and blames them for all the debt and woes...every day another big pig bank is caught criminally and get away with it...you blow that off....you never acknowledge all the people your pigs put out of work and you never ever mention the full 50% cut in taxs and the fact the divide between have NOTHINGS and HAVE IT ALL h as grown in leaps and bounds since Mittzy and the boys started screwing the working class

Turtle one thing is for certain...there is no more decent jobs left for all americans...you can cut entitlements all you want...and trust this...the tearparty is on a high...it wont stay that way...the far right will not win in the end...because the people are not going to stop hurting anymore...and it will all turn around....I made far more money in business my wife and I ...my police salary was an allowance...so dont give me your pompous bs ok..im not impressed one iota
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economic reality bitch slaps those who think that someone doing menial labor in a manufacturing plant ought to get 40 dollars an hour

how are they going to keep such jobs when people in India, Taiwan, or Cambodia can do that same job for 5 dollars an hour

you hate reality and you think that me telling you what the score is makes me some sort of fat cat robber baron

the fact is, if I own a company and my competition pays 5 dollars an hour for unskilled labor, I cannot remain in business paying 25 dollars an hour for the same quality labor.


tell me why do unskilled Americans deserve to be paid 5X what unskilled laborers in other countries get?
 
MarineTpartier said:
Okay, the tax cuts for the rich rhetoric has to stop. It is true that his tax plan took taxes for the "rich" down to 25%. What you ignore is that his plan cut out all of the loopholes that allowed the "rich" to get their average tax rate down to 25% ANYWAY. Don't buy the media hype bro, do your own research.
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So the capital gains preferential rate goes by the boards in the Ryan plan and is then taxed as normal income? Is that correct?

And the $5 million dollar exemption on the inheritance tax gets removed also in the Ryan plan? Is that also correct?
 
haymarket said:
So the capital gains preferential rate goes by the boards in the Ryan plan and is then taxed as normal income? Is that correct?

And the $5 million dollar exemption on the inheritance tax gets removed also in the Ryan plan? Is that also correct?
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what does the death tax have to do with income tax other than being a SURCHARGE on the rich?
 
TurtleDude said:
what does the death tax have to do with income tax other than being a SURCHARGE on the rich?
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Here was the statement from Marine

What you ignore is that his plan cut out all of the loopholes that allowed the "rich" to get their average tax rate down to 25% ANYWAY.
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I listed two of the largest loopholes that allow the rich to get their tax bite lower than many working people who are taxed only on income for their labor.

Again - does the Ryan plan get rid of these preferential discriminatory advantages for the rich or are these still allowed or even made worse under the Ryan plan?

Lets see it.
 
haymarket said:
Here was the statement from Marine



I listed two of the largest loopholes that allow the rich to get their tax bite lower than many working people who are taxed only on income for their labor.

Again - does the Ryan plan get rid of these preferential discriminatory advantages for the rich or are these still allowed or even made worse under the Ryan plan?

Lets see it.
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the only discrimination is that wealthy people pay higher rates on earned income than others

and that the wealthy face the surcharge known as the death tax
 
If Romney seriously wanted Obama out of the Whitehouse he should trade spots with Ryan and make Ryan the presidential candidate and Romney take the VP helm.
 
TurtleDude said:
have you ever figured out why stuff is outsourced? do you buy anything made overseas? Outsourcing is one of those silly bugaboos that the mindless on the left spew without really understanding things

what is better-a company that buys supplies or commodities from global sources and remains in business in the USA or one that pays too much for commodities and goes out of business meaning everyone in America who worked for that company are out of work
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Do you know why people outsource TD? Did you not take any Global Economics courses in college? I mean, there are many different arguments as to why it occurs, and then there is the theoretical reason and what outsourcing and free trade should accomplish in theory. Exactly what position are you arguing?
 
SheWolf said:
Do you know why people outsource TD? Did you not take any Global Economics courses in college? I mean, there are many different arguments as to why it occurs, and then there is the theoretical reason and what outsourcing and free trade should accomplish in theory. Exactly what position are you arguing?
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gee you figured it out
there are MANY DIFFERENT REASONS which is EXACTLY WHAT I WAS SAYING TO Ipast who seems to think its all about greed.

I am arguing that economic reality is something he doesn't understand

he instead spews populist garbage.

I suspect I know far more about this subject than you think I know based on that idiotic question
 
TurtleDude said:
gee you figured it out
there are MANY DIFFERENT REASONS which is EXACTLY WHAT I WAS SAYING TO Ipast who seems to think its all about greed.

I am arguing that economic reality is something he doesn't understand

he instead spews populist garbage.

I suspect I know far more about this subject than you think I know based on that idiotic question
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Yeah, like the time you told me you knew more about taxes and then went on to prove that you don't understand taxes and how tax credits and refunds work. Your misunderstanding of basic tax law should have been an embarrassment to you. There are high school drop outs that know better than to say "you only get a refund based on the taxes you overpaid," and you're always bragging about your education and even tax law classes you have taken.

I am sure you think you know more about global economics than you actually do. That's my bet.
 
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SheWolf said:
Why the hell did he pick Ryan then, and oh yes, Romney did support the Ryan plan once before... :doh:
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Yep. I imagine he still supported it at 9 am.... But by 1 pm he decided he was against the signature legislative act of the person he just picked as VP... Apparently he realized his mistake... The Romney campaign is a complete disaster.
 
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