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Conscription- Would you serve?

Would you Serve if you were conscripted?

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Jerry said:
The last thing the military is going to do in the event of an invasion is wait 3-12 months to respond so that they can take conscripts such as your self and go train them.

No. The response would be immediate. If we're talking a domestic invasion the existing military on US soil (to include the National Guard) couldn't handle, the government would not draft.

The government would activate the unorganized militia; a general call-to-arms for all able bodied citizens. Rally points announced, hasty leadership set up, and immediate action taken.

So it's kind of silly to say you would join if we were invaded. Once the foreign army is on our soil, it's to late to ship off to boot.

If you don't want to join the service, that's fine. No one will think less of you. But if you want to be ready to defend your country from invasion without joining the service today, then prepare yourself for the roll of militiaman. You don't have to become a survivalist or anything like that, just stay in shape. If you have a medical problem, no problem, just do what can do. Certify in first aid and have a basic kit in your house (IMO you should do this anyway). Be ready to go a few days without utilities. And of course, own a firearm; shoot it, know it, love it.
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RED DAWN!!!! Wolverines!:ranton::2usflag::boom
 
Stewart said:
I recently discovered that the USA maintains a roll of potential conscripts. This got me thinking.

For the purpose of this thought experiment let us assume the USA and it's allies has gotten involved in a long, messy and very bloody battle with China over Tawian's independence. This has involved fighting on mainly Chinese soil and China are clearly on the defensive.

If there was a clear mechanism to opt out of service, not necessarily conscientious objector but other excuses as well.

My Question is thus, would you serve if you are conscripted?

Explain your answer.

Note: I'm not nessecarily focusing on fighting china, more of an external threat. Also, for the purposes of this thought exercises, females are on the SSR as well.
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Since it says China is defending then, I assume that we have initiated the offense for that worthless Taiwan. We attacked Iraq. We attacked Libya. We attacked Vietnam. Very profitable wars and all offensive in more ways than one. I'm a Vietnam vet and would gladly defend my country. Defense, not a profitable corporate war for resources.
 
I honestly don't know. I'm not built for the battle field, either emotionally or physically. If I could serve in some other way (morale, troop services, supply lines, etc) I'd seriously considered it. But if I'm being called up to take my gun and charge the front lines....I don't think I'd be able to do it. I'd be the asshole cowering at the back of the ranks in a ditch, crying for mommy.
 
DaveFagan said:
Since it says China is defending then, I assume that we have initiated the offense for that worthless Taiwan. We attacked Iraq. We attacked Libya. We attacked Vietnam. Very profitable wars and all offensive in more ways than one. I'm a Vietnam vet and would gladly defend my country. Defense, not a profitable corporate war for resources.
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Thank you for your service for our country
 
Surtr said:
Or the Mk 19. Go for the Mk 19.
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Nah, the mk 19 makes a good boat anchor and that is about all. With the way ROE are these days they won't let you fire it for fear of collateral damage.
 
LiberalAvenger said:
I know what you mean. I was disappointed about a lot of things when I first joined the army. One thing was that no sergeant tried to bounce a quarter off of my freshly made bunk. I was disappointed that thet kept my m14 loced on the armory and I had no bullets for it except for guard duty.
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With the way the Army was when I was in, I wouldn't be surprised if Soldiers just lived in giant rats nests with a bunch of gay communist propaganda on their walls, with E-5's through E-8's letting them do it. I didn't even get rounds for guard duty in Korea. When I asked what do I do if the enemy gets in, they said "figure it out"

Will they let me take it with me while I am on leave?
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You can, but I wouldn't recommend it.
 
Surtr said:
All I care is that somebody else has it. I hate that ****ing thing.
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I once got a conselling statement for killing a coyote with a mk 19 at Ft McClellan during weapons qual. Coyote wandered onto the range and the tower nazi yelled "cease fire"......oops, i guess my ear plugs were in too tight.
 
Stewart said:
I would only defend my country on home turf, pretty simple. Although it's doubtful wether I would be medically fit. I don't believe serving overseas is the best way to use conscripts.
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That's about it for me. I doubt they'd want to conscript somebody who's 38 at any rate (unless things got really desperate).
 
OscarB63 said:
I once got a conselling statement for killing a coyote with a mk 19 at Ft McClellan during weapons qual. Coyote wandered onto the range and the tower nazi yelled "cease fire"......oops, i guess my ear plugs were in too tight.
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I killed a turkey during Basic. The all day smoke session that followed it was worth it, just to nail that smug bastard of a bird.
 
Stewart said:
I recently discovered that the USA maintains a roll of potential conscripts. This got me thinking.

For the purpose of this thought experiment let us assume the USA and it's allies has gotten involved in a long, messy and very bloody battle with China over Tawian's independence. This has involved fighting on mainly Chinese soil and China are clearly on the defensive.

If there was a clear mechanism to opt out of service, not necessarily conscientious objector but other excuses as well.

My Question is thus, would you serve if you are conscripted?

Explain your answer.

Note: I'm not nessecarily focusing on fighting china, more of an external threat. Also, for the purposes of this thought exercises, females are on the SSR as well.
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I would come if called, but that's an easy answer for me as I am well beyond the age to be called. If they're calling up folks my age the **** has really hit the fan, so yes.
 
What? What are you gonna do sterilize women to fight a war or have pregnant women in different stages being put down in some terrain area that is not suitable for a rat. Come on we have come a long way, but back then no one in their right mind would have taken that leap. And really, women in combat, that is still a highly controversal issue, even if you are GI Jane.
 
Margie said:
What? What are you gonna do sterilize women to fight a war or have pregnant women in different stages being put down in some terrain area that is not suitable for a rat. Come on we have come a long way, but back then no one in their right mind would have taken that leap. And really, women in combat, that is still a highly controversal issue, even if you are GI Jane.
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Who said anything about putting a pregnant woman in combat and/or sterilizing them? Women serve everyday in the military right now without being sterilized. If they happen to become pregnant they're moved to a "safer" position. If mommy and daddy are both military they'll often discharge one of them.

But seriously, that's an extreme post.
 
cpwill said:
that part hasn't changed. Even now after 10 years we have folks who have been in the entire time and have gone to lengths to see no combat tours. disgusting.
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What is wrong with not wanting to face combat? I, personally, would not want those people fighting next to me anyway. They could get scared at the wrong time and put my life in greater jeopardy. Besides, not everybody is a fighter.
 
Margie said:
What? What are you gonna do sterilize women to fight a war or have pregnant women in different stages being put down in some terrain area that is not suitable for a rat. Come on we have come a long way, but back then no one in their right mind would have taken that leap. And really, women in combat, that is still a highly controversal issue, even if you are GI Jane.
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What in the Hell are you talking about?
 
Surtr said:
With the way the Army was when I was in, I wouldn't be surprised if Soldiers just lived in giant rats nests with a bunch of gay communist propaganda on their walls, with E-5's through E-8's letting them do it. I didn't even get rounds for guard duty in Korea. When I asked what do I do if the enemy gets in, they said "figure it out"


You can, but I wouldn't recommend it.
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When a person was convicted in a court martial he would be held in the orderly room to await shipment to the stockade.

It was my job as battery clerk to guard them in the orderly room so I was issued a 45 with ammo.

T here was a legend at the time that if you shot and killed a prisoner who was escaping that you would immediately be sent back to the states. It was tempting. Nobody ever tried to escape.
 
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LiberalAvenger said:
When a person was convicted in a court martial he would be held in the orderly room to await shipment to the stockade.

It was my job as battery clerk to guard them in the orderly room so I was issued a 45 with ammo.

T here was a legend at the time that if you shot and killed a prisoner who was escaping that you would immediately be sent back to the states. It was tempting. Nobody ever tried to escape.
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Lucky you. I had an M9 Beretta in my last months enlisted, only got rounds for it when I had to shoot it at the range. I hated that godamned thing.
 
Surtr said:
Lucky you. I had an M9 Beretta in my last months enlisted, only got rounds for it when I had to shoot it at the range. I hated that godamned thing.
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One of the biggest mistakes the army has made, dropping the 45 for the M9. A much inferior weapon by far
 
For the purpose you proposed in the OP, definitely NOT. There is no direct threat to the United States, therefore I don't believe we should be involved at all. I'm definitely not fighting or dying for some other group of people.
 
Tigger said:
For the purpose you proposed in the OP, definitely NOT. There is no direct threat to the United States, therefore I don't believe we should be involved at all. I'm definitely not fighting or dying for some other group of people.
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I'm willing to die for Israel.
 
Jerry said:
I'm willing to die for Israel.
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I'm not. Hell, I'm not even willing to die for Germany, England, Scotland, Norway, Ireland, or Sweden (where my ancestors come from); nevermind anywhere else.
 
OscarB63 said:
One of the biggest mistakes the army has made, dropping the 45 for the M9. A much inferior weapon by far
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I can understand switching to a NATO round (9x19), but there are far better pistols out there. Glock, Sig Sauer, Springfield Armory, H&K, hell, I'd even take a CZ over the damned Beretta.
 
Stewart said:
I recently discovered that the USA maintains a roll of potential conscripts. This got me thinking.

For the purpose of this thought experiment let us assume the USA and it's allies has gotten involved in a long, messy and very bloody battle with China over Tawian's independence. This has involved fighting on mainly Chinese soil and China are clearly on the defensive.

If there was a clear mechanism to opt out of service, not necessarily conscientious objector but other excuses as well.

My Question is thus, would you serve if you are conscripted?

Explain your answer.

Note: I'm not nessecarily focusing on fighting china, more of an external threat. Also, for the purposes of this thought exercises, females are on the SSR as well.
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No. Why the hell would I want to go out and kill someone on the other side of the world (IE not in this country) that I don't even know? Now if China or some other country invaded then yes I would fight. But fighting in some other country? No way.
 
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