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Chick-fil-A

Should business owners hold opinions/donate towards them without fear of punishment?

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megaprogman said:
I don't. I very clearly stated that the government has a good reason to do this when dealing with protected classes, from a constitutional standpoint.

Another case would be if a business donates towards a terrorist or criminal organization.
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Terrorism and crime are completely different from political ideologies.

Business leaders should not have to worry about being limited by government actions because charitable donations to organizations oppose the political ideologies of whatever current the governmental administration happens to agree with.
 
Caine said:
Terrorism and crime are completely different from political ideologies.

Business leaders should not have to worry about being limited by government actions because charitable donations to organizations oppose the political ideologies of whatever current the governmental administration happens to agree with.
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I don't disagree. However the OP was very loose with the wording in his question. In as such, I felt the need to point out cases, that fall within the scope of the question where the answer would be such that such a thing should be permissible.

Not my problem if you are paranoid and think I am trying to hide something or deflect.
 
megaprogman said:
I don't disagree. However the OP was very loose with the wording in his question. In as such, I felt the need to point out cases, that fall within the scope of the question where the answer would be such that such a thing should be permissible.

Not my problem if you are paranoid and think I am trying to hide something or deflect.
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Your trying to argue some level of semantics and deflect from the topic.

The TITLE of the thread specifically mentions Chick Fil-A. Which means we aren't talking about scenarios of terrorism or criminal activity, we are talking about a business leader having a political opinion, and the business donating to a political/religious interest group.
 
Wake said:
This whole issue about Chick-fil-A has imo boiled down to whether or not business owners have the right to hold an opinion/donate in favor of their beliefs, without being punished. The ACLU has even stepped up to defend Chick-fil-A's rights. I think that so long as the ACLU, which is typically left-leaning, supports the rights of businesses with vastly differing beliefs, America's freedoms are preserved. My simple yes/no question is this:

"Do you think a business owner should be able to hold an opinion and/or donate in favor of certain beliefs, without being punished by politicians/government?"
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I voted 'yes', as the question is directed toward government specifically, but I break my opinion into two categories.

1) There should be no fear of retribution/punishment from the government. Period.

2) Retribution/punishment from individuals in the form of a boycott, or whatever, is fair game.

Having said that, even though I will defend a person's right to hold unpopular (but legal) opinions, I do shake my head when they express them as there is a line where it ceases to be good business sense.
 
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Harry Guerrilla said:
I know this totally, doesn't answer the poll, but I never really saw the appeal of the food Chick-Fil-A serves.
It's always been kinda bland to me.
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I knew you were a demon.
 
Caine said:
Your trying to argue some level of semantics and deflect from the topic.

The TITLE of the thread specifically mentions Chick Fil-A. Which means we aren't talking about scenarios of terrorism or criminal activity, we are talking about a business leader having a political opinion, and the business donating to a political/religious interest group.
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Like I said, your paranoia is not my problem.
 
Wake said:
This whole issue about Chick-fil-A has imo boiled down to whether or not business owners have the right to hold an opinion/donate in favor of their beliefs, without being punished. The ACLU has even stepped up to defend Chick-fil-A's rights. I think that so long as the ACLU, which is typically left-leaning, supports the rights of businesses with vastly differing beliefs, America's freedoms are preserved. My simple yes/no question is this:

"Do you think a business owner should be able to hold an opinion and/or donate in favor of certain beliefs, without being punished by politicians/government?"
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Punished by the government, or punished by the consumers? They shouldn't be punished by the government; that's just freedom of speech. They should be punished by the consumers if they support discrimination though. I'll try to avoid Chick-Fil-A for the same reason I try to avoid golf courses with racist membership rules. That doesn't mean I'll never eat there again, but if I have the choice between Chick-Fil-A and something else, their actions are enough to push me toward the other option.
 
Jetboogieman said:
Punishment is a strong word.

So a couple of mayors said something stupid Wake... no one got "punished".
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It was the fact that they were attempting to do so, and influence the success of a private business, which is the issue. Yeah, they were stupid, but that's not really what the controversy was about.
 
megaprogman said:
Depends on whether these beliefs fall against a protect class or not, for example.
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The belief doesn't matter, unless he/she is using illegal or discriminatory business practices based on these beliefs.
 
lizzie said:
The belief doesn't matter, unless he/she is using illegal or discriminatory business practices based on these beliefs.
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True. I was focusing more on the donating aspect with that comment. But I essentially agree, a business owner can be racist all day and night, so long as his management decisions are not affected by those beliefs.
 
Harry Guerrilla said:
It's soooo bland.
Zaxby's is good chicken, with the Zak sauce, sublime.
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It's so delicious! There's just something wrong with you :2razz:

On a sidenote, last year when I moved, and we ate nothing but fast food for about 2 days I had some Chick-Fil-A with some left over Zax sauce, now that was sublime.
 
Your Star said:
It's so delicious! There's just something wrong with you :2razz:

On a sidenote, last year when I moved, and we ate nothing but fast food for about 2 days I had some Chick-Fil-A with some left over Zax sauce, now that was sublime.
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Zak sauce improves everything.
Chick-Fil-A should look into it, may improve more than their chicken. :moon:.......:2razz:
 
Kandahar said:
Punished by the government, or punished by the consumers? They shouldn't be punished by the government; that's just freedom of speech. They should be punished by the consumers if they support discrimination though. I'll try to avoid Chick-Fil-A for the same reason I try to avoid golf courses with racist membership rules. That doesn't mean I'll never eat there again, but if I have the choice between Chick-Fil-A and something else, their actions are enough to push me toward the other option.
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Is it hard living in such a politically correct world?
 
No, they shouldn't be allowed to donate at all. And a business can't hold an opinion. Only people can. It is only Chick Fil a's ability to pour its considerable money into the political process that makes its opinion worth getting in a tizzy about. Get the blasted money out of the electoral process and the owner of Chick Fil a can have or advocate any opinion he wants. His opinions will carry exactly the same weight as everyone else's.

Should the city governments block Chick Fil a because they disagree with them? No. Should people boycott the business? Hell yes. Should Chick Fil a or any other business be permitted to spend more money than a private individual in an election? $%^& no!
 
Wake said:
This whole issue about Chick-fil-A has imo boiled down to whether or not business owners have the right to hold an opinion/donate in favor of their beliefs, without being punished. The ACLU has even stepped up to defend Chick-fil-A's rights. I think that so long as the ACLU, which is typically left-leaning, supports the rights of businesses with vastly differing beliefs, America's freedoms are preserved. My simple yes/no question is this:

"Do you think a business owner should be able to hold an opinion and/or donate in favor of certain beliefs, without being punished by politicians/government?"
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Looking at the whole question I say yes.Governments should not be allowed to punished companies based on their beliefs or what they donate to(unless of course they are donating to terrorist organizations/enemy countries). If private individuals want to boycott a company or buy stuff from a company over what its owners have said then that is their business.
 
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Caine said:
Is it hard living in such a politically correct world?
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I see no reason I should give them money to support discrimination, if I have other options available that DON'T support discrimination.
 
Kandahar said:
I see no reason I should give them money to support discrimination, if I have other options available that DON'T support discrimination.
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You should intelligently consume to the best of your abilities.
 
Caine said:
Is it hard living in such a politically correct world?
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Ummm, not to beat a dead horse, but the OP and the post question are worded differently which is the reason for some ambiguity in the answers. Many thought they had to clarify, including me.

Question over the Poll:

View Poll Results: Should business owners hold opinions/donate towards them without fear of punishment?
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Question at the end of the OP:

"Do you think a business owner should be able to hold an opinion and/or donate in favor of certain beliefs, without being punished by politicians/government?"
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Sometimes I just can't help myself. :beatdeadhorse
 
MaggieD said:
Ummm, not to beat a dead horse, but the OP and the post question are worded differently which is the reason for some ambiguity in the answers. Many thought they had to clarify, including me.

Question over the Poll:



Question at the end of the OP:



Sometimes I just can't help myself. :beatdeadhorse
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When was the last time anyone made a poll that matched the post question?
 
MaggieD said:
Ummm, not to beat a dead horse, but the OP and the post question are worded differently which is the reason for some ambiguity in the answers. Many thought they had to clarify, including me.

Question over the Poll:



Question at the end of the OP:



Sometimes I just can't help myself. :beatdeadhorse
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