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If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homophobe

If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homophobe


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Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Gays really need to stop the vicious attacks on heterosexuals that dont agree with same sex marriage...it isnt doing you any good...this chikafil thing has gotten alot of peoples attention...at the Vfw yesterday they were talking about it...guys that were indiffernt to it said they are getting really pissed at constant ramming down your throat by gays...if your not careful your going to turn whatever momentum youve gained against you by being overbearing and obnoxious...now i know gays HATE to hear any criticism of anything they do or want...but hey im already the Villianous poster boy of the gay movement.

Personally I think the overly sensitive and pushy homosexuals should cease their behavior, because they only harm their cause when people have had enough and start mocking them. Not all homosexuals are like this, but there are a very noisy and obnoxious part of the group that are. I dislike it when certain homosexuals get all offended are insufferable because you don't accept their point of view. Whatever happened to acknowledge that there exist different views? I cannot believe this disgusting behavior all as a result of this Dan person answering a question he was asked during an interview. Stop the drama; it helps no one.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Poor homophobes gonna have their views of hatred challenged. Nope, can't have that. The right to defend one's ego is enshrined in the Constitution, right next to its only other two rights--the right to own any gun you want, and the right of states to do anything to the poor and minorities that they want.

They can do what they want...but what they cant do is expect the rest of us to sit back and take their ****...got it and your trying to equate gay marriage to civil rights falls on my deaf ears..
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

So, is anybody going to bother correcting the spelling error in the title?

The grammar nazi inside me is going insane.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Personally I think the slurs "bigot" and "homophobe" are used by a few to slander those they disagree with. If a man or woman believes in traditional marriage, that it ought not be disturbed or manipulated, then I don't see how that person is somehow bad, or worse, evil. Personally I'm not sure where I stand anymore on this issue. While it's true that America isn't a nation that is run by the Church, there are also traditions like marriage that, if truly sacred, shouldn't be distorted. If marriage is between one man and one woman, then it should be that way, imo. A wise man once suggested to me that if you believe in something, you shouldn't cave in and change your mind for the sake of what's "popular," as if "popularity" really means much.

Now, I wouldn't mind honestly discussing this issue meaningfully, from personal experience and opinion. I don't think calling people names will ever be a positive in debate, so it'd probably be wise to refrain from doing so.

traditional marriage is a made up term and totally subjective, in reality it holds no real meaning.

Im fine with people thinkin, beliving teaching etc what htey THINK marriage is but they dont get to stop equal rights.

In reality Equal rights will NEVER distort, disturb or manipulate marriage or impact how sacred one finds it nor will it impact the "tradition" of it in any way.

If "I" have a marriage between "ME" and may "WIFE" what "others" do with "their" marriage has ZERO impact on mine.

so no one is a bigot for simply feeling a certain way on this issue but once you go out and fight against equal rights then yes you are a bigot.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Personally I think the overly sensitive and pushy homosexuals should cease their behavior, because they only harm their cause when people have had enough and start mocking them. Not all homosexuals are like this, but there are a very noisy and obnoxious part of the group that are. I dislike it when certain homosexuals get all offended are insufferable because you don't accept their point of view. Whatever happened to acknowledge that there exist different views? I cannot believe this disgusting behavior all as a result of this Dan person answering a question he was asked during an interview. Stop the drama; it helps no one.


Straights have been mostly silent about it for along time...now they are starting to talk about it...because gays have gotten absolutely out of control with their demanding INSULTING sarcastic vicious non stop attacks and Chikafil has brought alot of it out of them.
One woman said yesterday Im not for gay marriage but I didnt rant and rave about jc penny and target...but how dare any other business have an opposing point of view then all hell breaks loose...she said thats just too much
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Personally I think the overly sensitive and pushy homosexuals should cease their behavior, because they only harm their cause when people have had enough and start mocking them. Not all homosexuals are like this, but there are a very noisy and obnoxious part of the group that are. I dislike it when certain homosexuals get all offended are insufferable because you don't accept their point of view. Whatever happened to acknowledge that there exist different views? I cannot believe this disgusting behavior all as a result of this Dan person answering a question he was asked during an interview. Stop the drama; it helps no one.

Do you like it when anyone acts in an overly sensitive, pushy, noisy, and obnoxious manner? Or is just when a few homosexuals do it that you get irritated? I know a handful of religious nuts who could be considered overly sensitive, pushy, noisy, and obnoxious.

I'm not getting why the whole gay movement has to be judged by a few bad apples. You don't like it when people do it with Christians so why are you and lpast doing it with gays?
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

So is the title correction coming along or.....
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Straights have been mostly silent about it for along time...now they are starting to talk about it...because gays have gotten absolutely out of control with their demanding INSULTING sarcastic vicious non stop attacks and Chikafil has brought alot of it out of them.

One woman said yesterday Im not for gay marriage but I didnt rant and rave about jc penny and target...but how dare any other business have an opposing point of view then all hell breaks loose...she said thats just too much

I would agree with this with the caveat that not all gays have been vicious, unreasonable, insulting, etc.

That woman's point is interesting.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Do you like it when anyone acts in an overly sensitive, pushy, noisy, and obnoxious manner? Or is just when a few homosexuals do it that you get irritated? I know a handful of religious nuts who could be considered overly sensitive, pushy, noisy, and obnoxious.

I'm not getting why the whole gay movement has to be judged by a few bad apples. You don't like it when people do it with Christians so why are you and lpast doing it with gays?

I'm not interested in discussing this issue with you if you're going to twist my words, try to passive-aggressively turn this discussion against people, assuming things, etc. If you want a meaningful discussion from me you would have to modify your posts. Until then, no.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Dude. You missed my point, which was dripping in sarcasm. If we're more concerned with some people's egos than we are with oppression of an entire group of people, then we have our priorities seriously mismatched. Free speech belongs to both sides, you know.

It's all good, sarcasm doesn't translate well in text, and because of a lot of attitudes expressed, it's hard to tell sarcasm from srs bsns on these types of topics. Yes, free speech exists, but it's not going to get any results without tact and well thought out arguments. You can insult the opposition all day, but all that will achieve is the creation of an "us v them" attitude, and slow progress more than it needs to be. Right now, the "bigots" hold all the cards, and can decide whether to change the laws or not.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Straights have been mostly silent about it for along time...now they are starting to talk about it...because gays have gotten absolutely out of control with their demanding INSULTING sarcastic vicious non stop attacks and Chikafil has brought alot of it out of them.
One woman said yesterday Im not for gay marriage but I didnt rant and rave about jc penny and target...but how dare any other business have an opposing point of view then all hell breaks loose...she said thats just too much

this post fails because agains you generlize way to much lmao

its not straigh vs gays, its people that want equal rights and people that dont.

Many many straights want equal rights :shrug:

so its not "straights" who have been quiet its those that are against equal rights.

opposing "views" is fine, fighting against equal rights it another.

There are many people out there that still think blacks and women shouldnt be equal, they think blacks are lesser than others and women should be in the kitchen and no where else. Hey they have the right to feel that way but if they are out there trying to accomplish forcing women back into the kitchen or blacks back into lesser people then they are bigots they just dont have an opposing view. The difference is HUGE.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Dude, it's Navy Pride. You should know better.

But...but..but..

Can't we just...

Ya know...
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

1) traditional marriage is a made up term and totally subjective, in reality it holds no real meaning.

2) Im fine with people thinkin, beliving teaching etc what htey THINK marriage is but they dont get to stop equal rights.

3) In reality Equal rights will NEVER distort, disturb or manipulate marriage or impact how sacred one finds it nor will it impact the "tradition" of it in any way.

4) If "I" have a marriage between "ME" and may "WIFE" what "others" do with "their" marriage has ZERO impact on mine.

5) so no one is a bigot for simply feeling a certain way on this issue but once you go out and fight against equal rights then yes you are a bigot.

1) You could say that, but then we could also say that justice, right and wrong, and almost every other conceivable word in our existence are made up terms and are totally subjective, in reality holding no meaning.

2) I think if one believes in the sanctity of traditional marriage, that they can vote based on their beliefs if they wish to and, personally, I don't think that makes said person "bad," etc.

3) Not sure I'm understanding you correctly, but I'd say that from a religious pov the sanctity of marriage, its meaning, is distorted when you try to include other things besides "between one man and one woman."

4) While based on you and your wife, sure, but marriage itself, if sacred, has more to do with marriage itself, rather than individual people.

5) I don't really see it that way, because I think being a bigot entails thinking you're better than others. Since the people voting in favor of traditional marriage are focused on the sanctity/sacredness of marriage itself, it becomes less about people, and more about the concept of marriage and what it is.


We're probably not going to agree on this, but I respect your opinion, as well as your right to one.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

It's all good, sarcasm doesn't translate well in text, and because of a lot of attitudes expressed, it's hard to tell sarcasm from srs bsns on these types of topics. Yes, free speech exists, but it's not going to get any results without tact and well thought out arguments. You can insult the opposition all day, but all that will achieve is the creation of an "us v them" attitude, and slow progress more than it needs to be. Right now, the "bigots" hold all the cards, and can decide whether to change the laws or not.

Ah. Yes. I forgot these things called smileys. :D

Cause with all the insane opinions being accepted as mainstream nowadays, it can be really tough to tell one way or the other.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

opposing "views" is fine, fighting against equal rights it another.

The only bigots here are people like you who say that only YOU have the right to do what YOU want to do, where others don't have the right to do what they want to do.

And if you keep lumping women and minorities into the fight on the side of homosexuals, then by all means, make them enemies of the majority also.
 
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Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

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But...but..but...




NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

To Wake and others wondering why gays and straight allies can come across as so obnoxious:

For you, this is a debate. There are positions, evidence to support or refute those positions, and stances to be taken. There is a sort of code that says that those positions are fair game, but the people behind those positions are off-limits.*

* - except when the debate is actually about them, which it is here.

For gays, they feel like they are answering the question, "Why shouldn't I throw you to the lions?" When your persona, when the very desires that make you human are questioned, when you are not allowed to act on those desires, it becomes FAR more difficult to keep cool about it. An ill-timed comment from their side could well spurn an opponent of gay rights to take that much more action. In short, the stakes are extreme, and they are being forced to play this game shorthanded.

I must emphasize that this is NOT simply two sides of one coin debating. The gross imbalance of reality in favor of one of the side's positions greatly frustrates the other side. And I'm sorry, but I'm not sorry. We didn't create the laws of human nature. All we can do is explore, understand, and defend them.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

1) You could say that, but then we could also say that justice, right and wrong, and almost every other conceivable word in our existence are made up terms and are totally subjective, in reality holding no meaning.

2) I think if one believes in the sanctity of traditional marriage, that they can vote based on their beliefs if they wish to and, personally, I don't think that makes said person "bad," etc.

3) Not sure I'm understanding you correctly, but I'd say that from a religious pov the sanctity of marriage, its meaning, is distorted when you try to include other things besides "between one man and one woman."

4) While based on you and your wife, sure, but marriage itself, if sacred, has more to do with marriage itself, rather than individual people.

5) I don't really see it that way, because I think being a bigot entails thinking you're better than others. Since the people voting in favor of traditional marriage are focused on the sanctity/sacredness of marriage itself, it becomes less about people, and more about the concept of marriage and what it is.


We're probably not going to agree on this, but I respect your opinion, as well as your right to one.

1.) nice deflection but no, you cant compare throwing out the constitution, rights, laws, liberties and freedoms to fighting for equal rights.

2.) again thier opinion of what the sanctity of traditional marriage is will not be impacted one single bit by equal rights. They are a bigot, period, If they have the view women are baby factories and nothing more and vote to keep them locked in between the kitchen and bedroom. They are a bigot, dont understand this country or the rights, liberties and freedoms we have.

3.) and you would be 100% wrong because legal marriage has nothing to do with religious marriage and claiming other wise is dishonest. You cant get religiously married without the law, and their are religions that marry gays with and without the law. I can get legally married without religion, They are separate entities unless the person getting married wants them to be joined.

I dont see anybody in large groups crying that OTHER religions are greeting married in a way that doesnt fit their "traditions and scantity" or about judges and magistrates and people with licenses marrying people with NO religion involved or the divorce rate etc etc. It mostly only comes up when discussing the equal rights of gays. Weird huh? Thats because its BS. My marriage has no impact on yours.

4.) no it doesnt it is only between me and who I marry and nobody else unless WE want it to. Those are the facts. If my neighbor beats his wife does that make my marriage less? of course not. Just like Gay marriage as had no REALITY impact on my marriage.

5.) SOrry but again their sanctity and concept cant be impacted in reality, Its complete BS. They do think they are better because they wont allow others to have equal rights. They are bigots if they fight to deny equal rights.

we are not going to agree because im using reality and you are not. But you are welcome to any opinion you want, just dont force it on others.

and you respect my right to be one? be one what?
 
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Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

To Wake and others wondering why gays and straight allies can come across as so obnoxious:

It's not just homosexuality that's at issue, and their straight allies, it's also the entire leftist alliance and a whole bunch of other issues that are...obnoxious.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

It's not just homosexuality that's at issue, and their straight allies, it's also the entire leftist alliance and a whole bunch of other issues that are...obnoxious.

Did you even read the rest of the post?
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Did you happen to notice the results of this poll....Kind of make you shoveling **** against the tide.......

I voted no.. It doesn't make you bigoted to favor traditional marriage. It only makes you a bigot if you seperate homosexuals and take their rights away.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

I'm not interested in discussing this issue with you if you're going to twist my words, try to passive-aggressively turn this discussion against people, assuming things, etc. If you want a meaningful discussion from me you would have to modify your posts. Until then, no.

Meh. Saying the extreme elements of any group should cease their extreme behavior because it hurts what the majority of their group is hoping to achieve, has nothing to do with sexual orientation. It is part of the human condition no matter to which group one belongs. You are angry because I pointed out your bias so obviously that you were embarrassed by it. Next time, ask yourself if there are members of your own group that are any different.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

To Wake and others wondering why gays and straight allies can come across as so obnoxious:

For you, this is a debate. There are positions, evidence to support or refute those positions, and stances to be taken. There is a sort of code that says that those positions are fair game, but the people behind those positions are off-limits.*

* - except when the debate is actually about them, which it is here.

For gays, they feel like they are answering the question, "Why shouldn't I throw you to the lions?" When your persona, when the very desires that make you human are questioned, when you are not allowed to act on those desires, it becomes FAR more difficult to keep cool about it. An ill-timed comment from their side could well spurn an opponent of gay rights to take that much more action. In short, the stakes are extreme, and they are being forced to play this game shorthanded.

I must emphasize that this is NOT simply two sides of one coin debating. The gross imbalance of reality in favor of one of the side's positions greatly frustrates the other side. And I'm sorry, but I'm not sorry. We didn't create the laws of human nature. All we can do is explore, understand, and defend them.

Bold: There is no evidence that those against SSM have that actually support them.
 
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