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If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homophobe

If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homophobe

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Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Navy Pride said:
We oppose the redefining of marriage...
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We've been redefining it for 5000 years.

Up until 200 years ago, the woman never had a say in it.

Self-marriage was all the rage for a time.

You should read this book.

What does the "tradition of marriage" really look like? In A History of Marriage, Elizabeth Abbott paints an often surprising picture of this most public, yet most intimate, institution. Ritual of romance, or social obligation? Eternal bliss, or cult of domesticity? Abbott reveals a complex tradition that includes same-sex unions, arranged marriages, dowries, self-marriages, and child brides. Marriage—in all its loving, unloving, decadent, and impoverished manifestations—is revealed here through Abbott's infectious curiosity.
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GhostlyJoe said:
Do you remember what happens in next in the Bible? Well, first Lot offers his virgin daughters to the men of Sodom to do with what they want. Then, God turns Lot's wife into a pillar of salt for turning back to look at the burning city. So the newly widowed Lot takes refuge in a cave, where his virginal daughters get him drunk, rape him and have incestuous children by him.

Honestly, I'm not sure what to make of all that.
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Tradition!!

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Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Navy Pride said:
The same old cop out.......Like I said there are experts on both sides of the issue and no one knows for sure...Like a typical liberal you say your right, as a Conservative I don't know but there are documented cases of people who were gay their whole life changing.....
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No, there really aren't. The overwhelming majority of experts have concluded it is definitely not a choice. Most of the remaining few have been discredited and don't even have a license to practice. Conversion therapy is recognized as psychologically harmful, to the extent that it can even cause suicide.

Look, dude. I accept what the facts tell me. If being gay were a choice, it would make no difference to me. They would still deserve equal rights to officialize their relationship in the same manner straight people do.

I don't care if it's a choice or not. I'm just pointing out the fact that it isn't.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Objective-J said:
you are wrong for multiple reasons, the majority are in favor of equal gay rights and Traditional Marriage is a made up subjective term

so you can say it, but its meaningless dishonest and inaccurate

and where you are also wrong, I have seen you called those terms by people on the right also and if I was forced to bet, id bet they were accurate

lets give you a test and please just answer and not deflect

if you could vote tomorrow for equal gay rights would you vote yes or no in favor of it?
if you had a son who was gay what would you do?
if you had neighbors that were gay and you were having a block picnic would they be welcome?
if you had gay neighbors with kids would you kids be allowed to play with theirs and sleep over?
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1. I would always vote for equal rights for all and I believe everyone has them.

2. I would love him and hope and pray he might change as thousands have done and I would support any decision he makes.

3. Of course in fact one of the guys on my Golf Team is gay (best golfer on the team a 3 handicap) His partner sadly died of AIDs and I went to his funeral....He this the marriage issue is mych ado about nothing.

4. Of the gays I know of course...........
 
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Objective-J said:
you are wrong for multiple reasons, the majority are in favor of equal gay rights and Traditional Marriage is a made up subjective term

so you can say it, but its meaningless dishonest and inaccurate

and where you are also wrong, I have seen you called those terms by people on the right also and if I was forced to bet, id bet they were accurate

lets give you a test and please just answer and not deflect

if you could vote tomorrow for equal gay rights would you vote yes or no in favor of it?
if you had a son who was gay what would you do?
if you had neighbors that were gay and you were having a block picnic would they be welcome?
if you had gay neighbors with kids would you kids be allowed to play with theirs and sleep over?
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There are now 6 states and DC in the USA that allow SSM, and there are 3 countries in the entire world that allow SSM, so it is not nearly as "popular" as the loud and proud crew claim. If it is deemed fair, just and popular it will easily be made the law in your state SOON, no need to get worked up over it. It took decades and constitutional amendments for many social changes to take hold in this nation; one must be patient grasshopper. ;-)
 
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It's probably been said before, but until a gay gene is discovered I can't accept that biologically people are born gay. There needs to be factually unshakeable scientific data.
 
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I have to say I am pleasantly surprised by the results of the poll thus far...........22-4 one anonymous is impressive........Kind of restore your faith a little.............
 
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Navy Pride said:
It seems like a lot of people on the left seem to think so....I am asking you what do you think?
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I'm on the left and I can't jump to that conclusion without knowing the person... I voted 'NO"
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Poorly worded question. I don't favor the Westboro Baptist Church's celebration of dead soldiers, but that doesn't mean I want to make that action illegal.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
There are now 6 states and DC in the USA that allow SSM, and there are 3 countries in the entire world that allow SSM, so it is not nearly as "popular" as the loud and proud crew claim. If it is deemed fair, just and popular it will easily be made the law in your state SOON, no need to get worked up over it. It took decades and constitutional amendments for many social changes to take hold in this nation; one must be patient grasshopper. ;-)
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I might add no state where a vote of the people was taken has approved gay marriage.......It is always activist liberal judges that do it
 
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Navy Pride said:
We oppose the redefining of marriage...
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You support forcing your definition onto others. Guess what? You don't have a right to the definition of a word. Personal liberty trumps your desired dictionary entry.
 
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Navy Pride said:
1. I would always vote for equal rights for all and I believe everyone has them.

2. I would love him and hope and pray he might change as thousands have done and I would support any decision he makes.

3. Of course in fact one of the guys on my Golf Team is gay (best golfer on the team a 3 handicap) His partner sadly died of AIDs and I went to his funeral....He this the marriage issue is mych ado about nothing.

4. Of the gays I know of course...........
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would you now ANSWER question number one and four and do not dodge it.

If you could vote tomorrow for in favor of equal gay rights would you vote in favor of it or against it. ANd NO they currently do not have it.

Yes in favor
No against

I only need a yes or no

now answer question 4, we do not know if you have gays in your neighborhood nor does it matter if you know of any, or even if you have kids so I need a yes or no answer

If you had a little boy and your neighbors were two gay men with a little boy, would they be allowed to play together and cold your little boy sleep over their house.
 
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Wake said:
It's probably been said before, but until a gay gene is discovered I can't accept that biologically people are born gay. There needs to be factually unshakeable scientific data.
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Not everything innate is caused directly by genes. And some are caused by many genes - not just one. Hell, even your hair color is the result of many genes.

If you think a single gene is the only thing that can cause something innate, you don't understand biology.

In the case of homosexuality, we have discovered fetal epigenetic factors that seem to contribute to homosexuality. There may be some combination of genes that also makes it more likely.
 
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Navy Pride said:
I have to say I am pleasantly surprised by the results of the poll thus far...........22-4 one anonymous is impressive........Kind of restore your faith a little.............
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You can add another to the list.
 
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ttwtt78640 said:
There are now 6 states and DC in the USA that allow SSM, and there are 3 countries in the entire world that allow SSM, so it is not nearly as "popular" as the loud and proud crew claim. If it is deemed fair, just and popular it will easily be made the law in your state SOON, no need to get worked up over it. It took decades and constitutional amendments for many social changes to take hold in this nation; one must be patient grasshopper. ;-)
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LMAO

uhm let me know when I got worked up about it LMAO or when I claimed it was so popular, I stated a fact :shrug: I was pointing out his inaccuracy of saying only 25% are in favor of equal gay rights.

thanks for your meaningless post though ;)
 
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Wake said:
It's probably been said before, but until a gay gene is discovered I can't accept that biologically people are born gay. There needs to be factually unshakeable scientific data.
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Hard-wired personality traits are not as simple as a single gene.

There are many complicated genetic factors, prenatal health and other issues where there is no perfect laboratory.

The 'gay gene' has become a conservative christian talking point--a way for them to mock science and spread their ignorance and bigotry.
 
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Wake said:
It's probably been said before, but until a gay gene is discovered I can't accept that biologically people are born gay. There needs to be factually unshakeable scientific data.
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if you feel that way then you must also believe theres no proof people are born straight :shrug:
 
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Objective-J said:
would you now ANSWER question number one and four and do not dodge it.

If you could vote tomorrow for in favor of equal gay rights would you vote in favor of it or against it. ANd NO they currently do not have it.

Yes in favor
No against

I only need a yes or no

now answer question 4, we do not know if you have gays in your neighborhood nor does it matter if you know of any, or even if you have kids so I need a yes or no answer

If you had a little boy and your neighbors were two gay men with a little boy, would they be allowed to play together and cold your little boy sleep over their house.
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I answered your questions, you just don't like the answers.............This thread is basicly not about me....Please stay on topic......
 
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Navy Pride said:
I answered your questions, you just don't like the answers.............This thread is basicly not about me....Please stay on topic......
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LMAO thats what I thought!!! lol



no you did not answer them you dodge them, you are scared to answer them because the truth will expose you, BUT like you said, people on the left AND people on the right have already called you out in the past :shrug:

and I am on topic per the post YOU made not me, you cliamed that people call you a bigot and you are not, so I asked you some questions to find out based on YOUR post, if you dont like this topic YOU should have brought it up LMAO

no man up and answer :)
 
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Objective-J said:
if you feel that way then you must also believe theres no proof people are born straight :shrug:
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Like I said before I don't really know and no one does for sure but I believe that when a child is born his environment growing up has a lot to do with his seexul preference........There are probably other reasons for it to....
 
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Objective-J said:
LMAO thats what I thought!!! lol



no you did not answer them you dodge them, you are scared to answer them because the truth will expose you, BUT like you said, people on the left AND people on the right have already called you out in the past :shrug:

and I am on topic per the post YOU made not me, you cliamed that people call you a bigot and you are not, so I asked you some questions to find out based on YOUR post, if you dont like this topic YOU should have brought it up LMAO

no man up and answer :)
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again this thread is not about me...........if you want to participate stay on topic........
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Navy Pride said:
Like I said before I don't really know and no one does for sure but I believe that when a child is born his environment growing up has a lot to do with his seexul preference........There are probably other reasons for it to....
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Your belief is contrary to every modern theory on sexual orientation.

Sexual orientation is hard wired.


Again, I suggest you read up on the subject as well as the history of 'traditional marriage.'
 
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Navy Pride said:
again this thread is not about me...........if you want to participate stay on topic........
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like my post said It was clearly on the topic that you brought up

weird you are afraid to answer, now we all know the truth. You would BIT vote in favor of equal gay rights and you would NOT allow your little boy to sleep over the house of another little boy if he had two male gay parents. Thanks I knew that. Moving on now. Looks like the people you were talking about got it right.
 
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hazlnut said:
Your belief is contrary to every modern theory on sexual orientation.

Sexual orientation is hard wired.


Again, I suggest you read up on the subject as well as the history of 'traditional marriage.'
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Lots of things are "hard wired", doesn't mean we have to engage in that behavior. So the simple fact of it being "hard wired" says nothing.

That said, I know two or three folks who are gay (fully out) and also don't believe gay marriage should be allowed. Oh they're all for a 50 state civil union law, but don't want it called marriage. Are they homophobes? My friend just laughed for 10 minutes when I told him about the question here (he's gay).
 
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clownboy said:
Lots of things are "hard wired", doesn't mean we have to engage in that behavior. So the simple fact of it being "hard wired" says nothing.
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Then I'm not sure you understand the term "hard wired"

Left-handed people can force themselves to write with their right hand, but they will never be really comfortable doing it.

That said, I know two or three folks who are gay (fully out) and also don't believe gay marriage should be allowed. Oh they're all for a 50 state civil union law, but don't want it called marriage. Are they homophobes? My friend just laughed for 10 minutes when I told him about the question here (he's gay).
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Every gay person I know feels different.

Is it two or three?
 
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