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If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homophobe

If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homophobe


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Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Not unless they believed Obama was sincerely opposed to same-sex marriage, and voted for him specifically for that reason.


that's a fair point. they could have been supporting a liar rather than a bigot.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

that's a fair point. they could have been supporting a liar rather than a bigot.

Every politician is a liar.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

I guess billions of people have been misguided for thousands of years. :shrug:

this statement is absolutely so meaningless LMAO I laugh at anybody uneducated enough to think that this type of illogical and misleading opinion matters or holds any rational or objective merit.

you might as well have made a post that said "I like mashed potatoes" it would have been just as meaningful to the topic at hand but actually provided us with true knowledge at the same time, irrelevant but at lease true LMAO
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

"Homophobe" is a created and non-psychiatric slur meant to label someone as "afraird," when in reality the slurrer does not know if the person is or not.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

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Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Your version of Jesus Christ/God certainly are. On the other hand, the Jesus of the New Testament was a pretty chill dude. He certainly never shared your obsession with gay buttsex.

Let me understand you, you would argue that God favors a man laying with another man......Do you know where the word sodomy came from and do you know why God destroyed Sodom?
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

That is your opinion and to be honest no one knows for sure if that is true or not,,,,,,,,

No.

It's the opinion of psychologists, sociologists, pediatricians.

Pediatricians can identify homosexual traits in toddlers.



We do have many cases where people who were gay and changed and are now in marriages and having children so it makes one wonder.........

Again.

No.

There have been no legitimately documented cases of homosexuality being 'prayed' away.

You have self-loathing gays and homosexuals trying to pretend they're heterosexual and living miserable lives.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Let me understand you, you would argue that God favors a man laying with another man......Do you know where the word sodomy came from and do you know why God destroyed Sodom?

I don't really give a crap about the mythology of your god. I'm just pointing out that you spend a lot more time talking about gay buttsex than Jesus did according to the New Testament (i.e. not at all), and probably more than most gay people do. The JC in the gospels was pretty laid back.
 
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Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

That is your opinion and to be honest no one knows for sure if that is true or not,,,,,,,,We do have many cases where people who were gay and changed and are now in marriages and having children so it makes one wonder.........

I'm sorry, but this is settled science. We can predict homosexuality fairly accurately in children by observing certain physical trends. We know that the odds of homosexuality change according to birth order. We've even figured out what conditions in utero tend to lead to a person becoming homosexual.

In terms of "conversion" therapy, many participants are either bisexual or straight, which makes their results invalid. Of the remaining people who actually are gay, the majority of them go back to being gay within a couple of years. The few who don't tend to suffer psychiatric problems.

Being gay is not a choice. This is settled. The only choice here is you choosing not to accept reality.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

while I agree one simply "saying they dont agree" doesnt make them bigots id like to know where do you get 75% from? the majority support equal gay rights

Thank you and I am saying that 75% of the people in this country support traditional marriage and although some may be homophobes or bigots the huge majority are not...I have been called a bigot or a homophobe by the left in DP many times because of my beliefs........Well I am neither............
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

I guess in your mind then Jesus Christ/God are homophobes.
Perhaps. I don't know them and neither wrote the Bible, so it's hard to say for certain.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

"Homophobe" is a created and non-psychiatric slur meant to label someone as "afraird," when in reality the slurrer does not know if the person is or not.

IMO.

Bigotry = fear-based hatred. That's an accepted psychological understanding of bigotry.

Homophobes fear what they can't understand and they misuse the bible to justify these personal fears.

Some homophobes are self-loathing gays. They hate their true feelings and sexual orientation and lash out at gays.

IMO -- which I'm trying to express as civilly as possible.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Non-sequitur.



No. I'm pointing out the logical fallacy American used, in which he assumed that just because lots of people believed something for a long time made it true.




I never discussed his conclusion.

Right, because you labeled it a fallacy to imply that it was accurate? Gotcha. Just because you learned about fallacies this week in your word of the day app, doesn't mean you know how to use them.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

No.

It's the opinion of psychologists, sociologists, pediatricians.

Pediatricians can identify homosexual traits in toddlers.





Again.

No.

There have been no legitimately documented cases of homosexuality being 'prayed' away.

You have self-loathing gays and homosexuals trying to pretend they're heterosexual and living miserable lives.

Nice try but it won't wash, there are just as many experts who say they are not born that way and how do you explain the thousands who hve changed...........are you calling them all liars?
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

what an interesting claim. can you point to a single state where, when put before the people, they have supported redefining marriage to include homosexual relationships?

dont know and dont care not to mention its irrelevant :shrug: because just like in California they had lots of people that were in favor of it or werent against it that didnt vote but there were people against it that spent milions of dollars to rally people to thier cause and to buy votes, they won but that doesnt mean the majority of California are anti-gay LMAO

Im going off of polls of people that are asked if hey support equal gay rights or think being gay is immoral, right now and for the last two years I believe its been the majority support it and do not think its immoral, recently its been as high as 54%

so its not a claim, its a fact and even if the number isnt super accurate more people support equal gay rights than 25% which was falsely claimed and what my post was in response to :)

thanks for the meaningless deflection though
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Yes, I think the stance against gay marriage stems from a tradition of bigotry. I don't mean that as a personal attack on those who oppose it, but I think they're misguided. However, there's no denying that the defense of "traditional marriage" is an exclusionary political stance targeting a small subset of the population.

And that's the question. If the oppose equality for homosexuals, that is different than what the prefer for themselves.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Nice try but it won't wash, there are just as many experts who say they are not born that way and how do you explain the thousands who hve changed...........are you calling them all liars?

Expert = someone who has published findings in a peer-reviewed journal.

Please post one peer-reviewed study in a related field that backs up your position.

I can post hundreds that back up what I'm saying.

Yes, a homosexual trying to live a life as heterosexual is lying to himself and those around him/her. He will never be truly happy.

Thousands of broken marriages and suicides.

You can't change people from the way God made them.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

I'm sorry, but this is settled science. We can predict homosexuality fairly accurately in children by observing certain physical trends. We know that the odds of homosexuality change according to birth order. We've even figured out what conditions in utero tend to lead to a person becoming homosexual.

In terms of "conversion" therapy, many participants are either bisexual or straight, which makes their results invalid. Of the remaining people who actually are gay, the majority of them go back to being gay within a couple of years. The few who don't tend to suffer psychiatric problems.

Being gay is not a choice. This is settled. The only choice here is you choosing not to accept reality.

The same old cop out.......Like I said there are experts on both sides of the issue and no one knows for sure...Like a typical liberal you say your right, as a Conservative I don't know but there are documented cases of people who were gay their whole life changing.....
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

I want to point out that being homophobic doesn't necessarily mean you are anti-gay. Just like being arachnophobic doesn't mean you are anti-spiders. It just means you have an irrational fear or distaste of something.

A bigot, by contrast, has a serious hatred for people who are different. That's a significant difference.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Not necessarily. I prefer traditional marriage too -- for myself.

But the moment you start telling other people how they are supposed to live, even support discrimination against them, then it is bigotry.

Would you say it is bigotry for an environmental vegan or animal rights activist to throw paint on someone wearing fur or leather?
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

And that's the question. If the oppose equality for homosexuals, that is different than what the prefer for themselves.

We oppose the redefining of marriage...
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Thank you and I am saying that 75% of the people in this country support traditional marriage and although some may be homophobes or bigots the huge majority are not...I have been called a bigot or a homophobe by the left in DP many times because of my beliefs........Well I am neither............

you are wrong for multiple reasons, the majority are in favor of equal gay rights and Traditional Marriage is a made up subjective term

so you can say it, but its meaningless dishonest and inaccurate

and where you are also wrong, I have seen you called those terms by people on the right also and if I was forced to bet, id bet they were accurate

lets give you a test and please just answer and not deflect

if you could vote tomorrow for equal gay rights would you vote yes or no in favor of it?
if you had a son who was gay what would you do?
if you had neighbors that were gay and you were having a block picnic would they be welcome?
if you had gay neighbors with kids would you kids be allowed to play with theirs and sleep over?
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

The same old cop out.......Like I said there are experts on both sides of the issue and no one knows for sure...Like a typical liberal you say your right, as a Conservative I don't know but there are documented cases of people who were gay their whole life changing.....

Again, Expert = someone respected in their field who has published in a peer-reviewed journal.

There are no real experts on your side.

Homosexuality is thought to be something triggered in our DNA (all our DNA) after a women has several children. A switch is thrown that makes the later children less likely to reproduce.

All the science doesn't mean they are lesser people or 'broken'. They are just born different.

Don't forget you also have bi-sexual and asexual people. Sexual orientation is hard wired. Every real expert now says that.

Our U.S. constitution and our American values will move us toward marriage equality-- a world were those who are intolerant of homosexuals are looked down upon and not the homosexuals themselves.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Right, because you labeled it a fallacy to imply that it was accurate?

No. I labeled it a fallacy because it was a fallacy.

Gotcha. Just because you learned about fallacies this week in your word of the day app,

I don't even own a device that uses apps. Nice generalization.

doesn't mean you know how to use them.

Apparently, you don't.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Let me understand you, you would argue that God favors a man laying with another man......Do you know where the word sodomy came from and do you know why God destroyed Sodom?

Do you remember what happens in next in the Bible? Well, first Lot offers his virgin daughters to the men of Sodom to do with what they want. Then, God turns Lot's wife into a pillar of salt for turning back to look at the burning city. So the newly widowed Lot takes refuge in a cave, where his virginal daughters get him drunk, rape him and have incestuous children by him.

Honestly, I'm not sure what to make of all that.
 
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