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If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homophobe

If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homophobe

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Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

American said:
Did that happen? Any other non-fact you want to bring up?
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Depends. Are you gonna keep using logical fallacies to support your argument, or are you actually going to post some reasoning?

Either Put Up or Shut up.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Saying you support traditional marriage does not necessarily make you a bigot or a homophobe. Some people who say that are bigoted or homophobic, but not all. Most are simply misguided or ignorant.
 
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Jredbaron96 said:
Depends. Are you gonna keep using logical fallacies to support your argument, or are you actually going to post some reasoning?

Either Put Up or Shut up.
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I don't have an argument, I was just making a comment. You're the one that's gone into mouthfoaming mode over someone's comment.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

"I favor traditional marriage" is just a euphemism for i dislike gays and gay marriage
 
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Navy Pride said:
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With all due respect I believe the question is pretty clear............It means any person be it man or woman.
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I still am not clear on what you mean. Do you mean, he favors traditional marriage for everyone?

If that is what you mean, then there's still a distinction to be made. Does he believe that's what's "right," but he isn't bothered if gay marriage is legal? Or does he mean that he wants gay marriage to be illegal?

People can believe whatever they like. There are plenty of things I disagree with, but don't wish to be illegal. However, at the point at which they actively wish to limit other people's freedom of lifestyle, then it can be considered bigotry.
 
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American said:
I don't have an argument,
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You never do.

I was just making a comment.
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Based on a logical fallacy.


You're the one that's gone into mouthfoaming mode over someone's comment.
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Is that how you debate? Accuse the other one of being 'mad'?
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Helix said:
the OP question is irrelevant. because of the equal protection clause, if heterosexuals can have a legal marriage, then homosexuals are guaranteed the same right. someone has the right to find that distasteful, but he or she doesn't have the right to deny rights to others. not to mention the fact that "traditional" marriage can be defined in a variety of ways.

in 50 years, we'll probably look back on this period as we now look back on the debates about interracial marriage.
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Can you honestly say that when the people who crafted the 14th amendment were doing it to protect Gay Marriage?
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

German guy said:
Not necessarily. I prefer traditional marriage too -- for myself.

But the moment you start telling other people how they are supposed to live, even support discrimination against them, then it is bigotry.
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that is not correct - we put all kinds of markers down on how people should live.

that being said, such is not really at issue here, as no one is using government to tell homosexuals how to live.




the "support for traditional marriage = homophobic bigotry" argument carries about as much water as the "opposition to Obama = racism" or "opposition to Israeli settlements = anti-semitism" cards. all three are an attempt to use stigma to win an argument rather than sound reason.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Hare said:
Well, the word of God itself describes him as both condoning and personally carrying out the killing of quite a few homosexuals, so that's a rather safe assumption.
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He killed a bunch of them when he destroyed Sodom but that is another thread and again you lefties are getting off the topic of the poll.
 
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molten_dragon said:
Saying you support traditional marriage does not necessarily make you a bigot or a homophobe. Some people who say that are bigoted or homophobic, but not all. Most are simply misguided or ignorant.
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Only in your mind.............
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Navy Pride said:
I will attack Hussein Obama with my dying breath and it saddens and surprises me that you as a Conservative do not feel the same way .
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:) It was a tease NP. I was pointing out that everyone who A) voted 'yes' and B) voted for Obama just admitted that they support bigotry.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

SmokeAndMirrors said:
I still am not clear on what you mean. Do you mean, he favors traditional marriage for everyone?

If that is what you mean, then there's still a distinction to be made. Does he believe that's what's "right," but he isn't bothered if gay marriage is legal? Or does he mean that he wants gay marriage to be illegal?

People can believe whatever they like. There are plenty of things I disagree with, but don't wish to be illegal. However, at the point at which they actively wish to limit other people's freedom of lifestyle, then it can be considered bigotry.
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I really don't know how to make it any more clear for you. Take myself as and example....I believe that marriage should be defined as a union between a man and a woman........Gays can call their union anything they want just not traditional marriage.........
 
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Navy Pride said:
I really don't know how to make it any more clear for you. Take myself as and example....I believe that marriage should be defined as a union between a man and a woman........Gays can call their union anything they want just not traditional marriage.........
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Ok. I am not sure that makes you a bigot necessarily, but it is certainly irrational.

There are lots of ways to be married. There are married people in polyamorous or open relationships. That isn't "traditional" by your definition. But they're still married, aren't they?

What's so important about the word "marriage?" The thing is, "traditional" marriage has meant many different things over the years.

It used to be basically a business contract of selling a woman from the father to the husband. It could involve multiple wives. At one point, that was "traditional." And today, married people have all kinds of different lifestyles.

So really, your idea of "traditional" marriage is not traditional at all. It's quite modern, in fact.
 
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Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Depends on age really.

Some people are just old fashioned and not aware that current science believe sexual orientation is not a choice. I forgive those folks.

the rest of bigots and homophobes. IMO, ignorant people embracing a twisted version of Christianity.
 
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Navy Pride said:
Can you honestly say that when the people who crafted the 14th amendment were doing it to protect Gay Marriage?
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another irrelevant argument. can you argue that the founders wrote the Bill of Rights with the intent of protecting African Americans?
 
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Navy Pride said:
It seems like a lot of people on the left seem to think so....I am asking you what do you think?
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going specifically off your question/ststement, no

stating you are in favor of the made up term "traditional marriage" alone doesnt make you a bigot IMO.

because you are only saying you simply "favor" it and also because traditional marriage is hogwash

also for example what if a person favors traditional marriage but doesnt want to stop others from having it?

now if you are actively trying to stop equal gay rights or donating money to stop it, then yes IMO you are a bigot.
 
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Navy Pride said:
I am not anti gay anything as are most Americans........You can call your union anything you like......You can do anything you want in the bedroom.......what most Americans are against is redifining marriage......That is why state after state are voting on the issue and where close to 35 states have constitutional amendment defining marriage as a union between a man and a woman.
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A simple semantic argument, but I don't think it holds water. Nobody is passionately inflamed about the "definition" of anything, rather they use semantic arguments to deflect from the core issues at play. To me, this issue is about the open participation of homosexual citizens in American life. These fight over "definitions" has the real-world effect of denying homosexual couples political and personal benefits readily available to their fellow citizens. When your "definition" has the effect of restricting others, then you've stepped beyond semantics, and I find it rather cowardly of you to attempt to hide behind a word and not accept the political ramifications of your stance.
 
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Navy Pride said:
I guess in your mind then Jesus Christ/God are homophobes.
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Your version of Jesus Christ/God certainly are. On the other hand, the Jesus of the New Testament was a pretty chill dude. He certainly never shared your obsession with gay buttsex.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Navy Pride said:
I really don't know how to make it any more clear for you. Take myself as and example....I believe that marriage should be defined as a union between a man and a woman........Gays can call their union anything they want just not traditional marriage.........
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Traditional Marriage = underage girl sold by a family patriarch for land, chickens, coins, etc.

When you see the word 'wife' in the bible, that's what you should know it means.

So save the 'traditional marriage' nonsense for people who don't know their History of Western Civ.

50 years ago, blacks couldn't marry whites. That was the 'tradition'.

BTW - Appeal to Tradition is logical fallacy.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

hazlnut said:
Depends on age really.

Some people are just old fashioned and not aware that current science believe sexual orientation is not a choice. I forgive those folks.

the rest of bigots and homophobes. IMO, ignorant people embracing a twisted version of Christianity.
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That is your opinion and to be honest no one knows for sure if that is true or not,,,,,,,,We do have many cases where people who were gay and changed and are now in marriages and having children so it makes one wonder.........
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Navy Pride said:
So because a person has a difference of opinion with you on marriage that automatically makes them a bbigot or a homophobe? Under your definition that would make about 75% of the people in the USA bigots or homophobes.....and you call us the intolerant ones...........what a joke.
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while I agree one simply "saying they dont agree" doesnt make them bigots id like to know where do you get 75% from? the majority support equal gay rights
 
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cpwill said:
:) It was a tease NP. I was pointing out that everyone who A) voted 'yes' and B) voted for Obama just admitted that they support bigotry.
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Not unless they believed Obama was sincerely opposed to same-sex marriage, and voted for him specifically for that reason.
 
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Objective-J said:
the majority support equal gay rights
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what an interesting claim. can you point to a single state where, when put before the people, they have supported redefining marriage to include homosexual relationships?
 
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