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If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homophobe

If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homophobe


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Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

64 to 13 (4 anonymous votes for yes which don't count).....I have to say I am really impresed...........Kind of restores your faith in DP.
Heh heh. :lol:

Well, as you surely know, the way your question is phrased, a "no" answer does not mean one opposes "gay marriage", it just means, as worded, one's own preference is for "traditional marriage", and dosn't say anthing at all about that "no"-voter's either support or opposition for "gay marriage". ;)

I think that's the reason you got so many "no" votes. :cool:
 
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Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

So really, if anyone states that the person (group) who disagrees with his/her opinion is a bigot sets a prime example of a bigot...by true definition. Right?
IOW, all those on the right are bigots for speaking out against....._____________fill in the blank.
Finger pointing at its finest once again. Lets not be tolerant ourselves, but rather point out how intolerant we think others are.
Got it.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Marriage isn't really "marriage" anymore. Today, it's little more than a legal agreement. People really should stop calling it "marriage" altogether.
If you consider what was called marriage historically you could apply your "Marriage isn't really "marriage" anymore ..." many times. An you specific point "it's little more than a legal agreement." has been effectively correct when, for example, the church that was in control of the area was the source of what was legal.
When we got married 30+ years ago, we were the significant source of what our marriage was going to be; and, we registered with the state since it met the requirements. It should be as bottom up and open as it rationally can be when it's registered with the state. Whatever is required by a church is extra. And if the parties want to add 'extra' stuff they get it written up and signed with a lawyer.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

64 to 13 (4 anonymous votes for yes which don't count).....I have to say I am really impresed...........Kind of restores your faith in DP.

64 thinks it makes a homophobe or a bigot . . . the others do not.

I thought you would see it the opposite; that so many people having a negative view of his 'traditional favoritism' as a bad thing because they're supporting SSM - not opposing it.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

64 to 13 (4 anonymous votes for yes which don't count).....I have to say I am really impresed...........Kind of restores your faith in DP.
Yup. The question was "If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homophobe"? And no is my vote. As far as I'm concerned our marriage is just the traditional marriage I wanted, and I want to let all others make the same commitment, gay or what ever. My faith in people was restored too.
(Did I get the intent of this poll correct?)
 
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Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

So? A response. Again, "Do you mean that homosexuals are typically, on the whole, as bad as straights at respect and tolerance? This hasn't been my experience and I've had plenty of it."

Read the article in that link. It answers your complaint.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

In the bible it was one man and any number of women and/or concubines. Later this went away, only two people!! Mormons brought it back for a bit, one man, many wives. Went away again. In the old testament, if a guy raped a virgin he had to marry her and pay her father some money for spoiling her. That... went out of style. Someone at some point decided interracial marriage was bad. Then we later decided it was fine. The concept of romance took a while to come along, it was just a legal contract between two families to start. People used to get married at like age 11. Some places people still do get married very young, others we make them wait to age 18. Would you like to hear what the Greeks, Romans, and Vikings thought about marriage or should I stop there? The vikings married a lot of women they... well, abducted. Pretty sure that's illegal now.

Oh, I almost forgot. In some states and countries, two people of the same gender are married right now. Has your life changed as a result?

And don't forget that the Old Testament had no age of consent. Makes the stories about pillaging enemy towns and taking the women as wives even more interesting...
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Heh heh. :lol:

Well, as you surely know, the way your question is phrased, a "no" answer does not mean one opposes "gay marriage", it just means, as worded, one's own preference is for "traditional marriage", and dosn't say anthing at all about that "no"-voter's either support or opposition for "gay marriage". ;)

I think that's the reason you got so many "no" votes. :cool:


There is a real contridiction here........I favor traditional marriage yet a lot of the people who voted no have called me a bigot.....
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

There is a real contridiction here........I favor traditional marriage yet a lot of the people who voted no have called me a bigot.....

....maybe that conclusion is based not solely on this poll.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

There is a real contridiction here........I favor traditional marriage yet a lot of the people who voted no have called me a bigot.....
Well, any calibration from the wording of your poll will not, obviously, resolve the matter.

So maybe you've been called a bigot by "gay marriage" supporters because you've openly stated your opposition to "gay marriage" .. just sayin' .. .. .

Now, not that they are at all accurate in their epithetic denigration of you for that particular reason, as by appeal to definition, marriage, meaning "between a man and a woman as husband and wife", refutes bigotry as a reason for opposition to "gay marriage", as the term "gay marriage" is an oxymoron, inapplicable by appeal to definition.

So, on that basis, false accusations of bigotry against you are .. well, simply that: false.

Thus maybe there is another reason they're calling you a bigot .. I don't know, really.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

There is a real contridiction here........I favor traditional marriage yet a lot of the people who voted no have called me a bigot.....

Its not that you favor so called "traditional marriage" that makes you a bigot Navy....it is the fact that you believe that you have the right to force that view down the throat of everyone else. Your right to your views end when it directly impacts another person.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Now, not that they are at all accurate in their epithetic denigration of you for that particular reason, as by appeal to definition, marriage, meaning "between a man and a woman as husband and wife", refutes bigotry as a reason for opposition to "gay marriage", as the term "gay marriage" is an oxymoron, inapplicable by appeal to definition.

So, on that basis, false accusations of bigotry against you are .. well, simply that: false.

This is very interesting, and I hadn't thought about it this way before. Basically I agree with the bolded, and I would like to build on this argument. Would you please elaborate a bit on this?
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Originally Posted by OhIsee.Then
So? A response. Again, "Do you mean that homosexuals are typically, on the whole, as bad as straights at respect and tolerance? This hasn't been my experience and I've had plenty of it."
Read the article in that link. It answers your complaint.
Sorry, one example of the behavior of a few doesn't define the general case. I personally have been exposed to the behavior of both sides many times and straight men have the most abusive behavior by far.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Well, any calibration from the wording of your poll will not, obviously, resolve the matter.

So maybe you've been called a bigot by "gay marriage" supporters because you've openly stated your opposition to "gay marriage" .. just sayin' .. .. .

Now, not that they are at all accurate in their epithetic denigration of you for that particular reason, as by appeal to definition, marriage, meaning "between a man and a woman as husband and wife", refutes bigotry as a reason for opposition to "gay marriage", as the term "gay marriage" is an oxymoron, inapplicable by appeal to definition.

So, on that basis, false accusations of bigotry against you are .. well, simply that: false.

Thus maybe there is another reason they're calling you a bigot .. I don't know, really.



Sorry I don't believe that being against gay marriage necessarily makes you a bigot or a homophobe.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Its not that you favor so called "traditional marriage" that makes you a bigot Navy....it is the fact that you believe that you have the right to force that view down the throat of everyone else. Your right to your views end when it directly impacts another person.

Not true in fact you are trying to force your beliefs and values on us.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

There is a real contridiction here........I favor traditional marriage yet a lot of the people who voted no have called me a bigot.....

Its kinda like people who hold prejudice against blacks. You have the right to whatever belief you want, but when you start saying that we can't drink out of your drinking fountains or use your restrooms or sit with you in a movie theater....then you become a bigot.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Not true in fact you are trying to force your beliefs and values on us.

Not at all. No one is forcing you to enter into a gay marriage or to even personally condone it. However, you have no right to deny privileges to another than you yourself enjoy...that is when you cross the line into bigotry.

Its exactly like inter-racial marriage. People who were against it claimed that people were "forcing their values and beliefs on them". In reality....no....not really. They were simply free to continue to not believe in inter-racial marriage, they just weren't allowed to force their bigoted opinions on other people.
 
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Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homophobe
Depends. If the man is a bible thumper that thinks homosexuals are going to hell, and deservedly so, then he's a homophobe. If he wants to actively discriminate against gays, or pass laws against them, then he is even worse.

Of course I understand why you are eliminating context from your question, and it is not to promote a thorough, reasoned discussion.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Sorry I don't believe that being against gay marriage necessarily makes you a bigot or a homophobe.
Exactly. That's what I just said.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

This is very interesting, and I hadn't thought about it this way before. Basically I agree with the bolded, and I would like to build on this argument. Would you please elaborate a bit on this?
Here is the link to my first post in this thread, a few pages back: http://www.debatepolitics.com/polls/132362-if-man-states-favor-tradiional-marriage-does-make-him-bigot-homophobe-30.html#post1060768454.

If you follow from there all my posts in conversation with others, I think you'll find the elaboration I've provided.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Well, any calibration from the wording of your poll will not, obviously, resolve the matter.

So maybe you've been called a bigot by "gay marriage" supporters because you've openly stated your opposition to "gay marriage" .. just sayin' .. .. .

Now, not that they are at all accurate in their epithetic denigration of you for that particular reason, as by appeal to definition, marriage, meaning "between a man and a woman as husband and wife", refutes bigotry as a reason for opposition to "gay marriage", as the term "gay marriage" is an oxymoron, inapplicable by appeal to definition.

So, on that basis, false accusations of bigotry against you are .. well, simply that: false.

Thus maybe there is another reason they're calling you a bigot .. I don't know, really.

are you ever honest in any of your post?

please give us factual proof of the lie that gay marriage is an oxymoron LMAO
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

are you ever honest in any of your post?

please give us factual proof of the lie that gay marriage is an oxymoron LMAO
Be careful, Objective-J -- you've just exhibited evidence of trolling. :shock:
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

It seems like a lot of people on the left seem to think so....I am asking you what do you think?

I have no problem with what people believe...I do have a problem when their beleifs+money may equal their beliefs becoming law dictating how others live their lives.
 
Re: If a man states I favor tradiional marriage does that make him a bigot or a homop

Be careful, Objective-J -- you've just exhibited evidence of trolling. :shock:

wrong again Im asking you to prove your false statement?

I love the false idea that you think asking one to back up their claim is trolling :laughat:

so please do so now or it will continue to be labeled as the lie that it is :shrug:
 
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