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Nationwide Voter Fraud Within Republican Party - 2012

Is the republican party fraudulently/illegally forcing Romney to be the nominee?

  • Yes - I believe voter fraud is rampant within the RP

    Votes: 2 5.9%

  • No - Nothing illegal has taken place with the RP regarding Romney's nomination

    Votes: 6 17.6%

  • Yes - I wear a tinfoil hat

    Votes: 2 5.9%

  • No - I do not like Romney, but I believe he's won nomination legally

    Votes: 11 32.4%

  • I did not vote for Romney, but I don't think anything illegal has helped him win nomination

    Votes: 9 26.5%

  • I did vote for Romney, and I don't think anything illegal helped him win nomination

    Votes: 1 2.9%

  • other - please explain

    Votes: 3 8.8%
  • Total voters
    34
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It's been claimed here (DP) that voter fraud has run amuck within the Republican party.

The claim is that Romney is not the popular favorite among the registered, voting republicans/conservatives.

The claim is that some other candidate is actually much more popular, and has received more votes than Romney (or any other candidate), but that the republican party leaders have ignored and falsified votes in order to "plant" Romney as the victor.

So my question to you Republicans/Conservatives is this:

Has massive, nationwide voter fraud taken place during this election cycle with a focused effort on placing Romney as the winner at the expense of any and all other candidates?
 
There is no voter fraud problem in the US. It doesn't exist on either side. Unethical behaviour by the parties? Sure. Voter fraud? No such thing.

As far as you accusing Republicans of voter fraud goes.....

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The only significant voter fraud that happens within this country is not on the individual who is voting it is with the people who count/setup/maintain the machines that collect votes. So I said "other".
 
Hatuey said:
There is no voter fraud problem in the US. It doesn't exist on either side. Unethical behaviour by the parties? Sure. Voter fraud? No such thing.

As far as you accusing Republicans of voter fraud goes.....

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I made no such accusation.
 
OnWisconsin said:
The only significant voter fraud that happens within this country is not on the individual who is voting it is with the people who count/setup/maintain the machines that collect votes. So I said "other".
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Isn't that what I asked?

Is the leadership of the republican party committing illegal voter fraud in order to get Romney nominated?
 
Dragonfly said:
It's been claimed here (DP) that voter fraud has run amuck within the Republican party.

The claim is that Romney is not the popular favorite among the registered, voting republicans/conservatives.

The claim is that some other candidate is actually much more popular, and has received more votes than Romney (or any other candidate), but that the republican party leaders have ignored and falsified votes in order to "plant" Romney as the victor.

So my question to you Republicans/Conservatives is this:

Has massive, nationwide voter fraud taken place during this election cycle with a focused effort on placing Romney as the winner at the expense of any and all other candidates?
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Well if there is proof then we can say for certain, but it's not something I would find surprising. I'm sure that the party would like to control as much as possible and remove as much as it can influence from the People. The Party wants to do what's best for the Party and Party Power, not the People.
 
Ikari said:
Well if there is proof then we can say for certain, but it's not something I would find surprising. I'm sure that the party would like to control as much as possible and remove as much as it can influence from the People. The Party wants to do what's best for the Party and Party Power, not the People.
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So you're thinking a party, like the current republican party (or current democratic party for that matter), might pull a Penn State or Catholic Church kinda thing?

You think they secretly do, and cover-up something that if discovered would ultimately completely tear them apart?

Just curious how far you think the republicans would go. (Or democrats).

The party was almost split with the Tea Party movement.

How damaging do you think a nationwide, and highly illegal voter fraud scenario would be?
 
Hatuey said:
There is no voter fraud problem in the US. It doesn't exist on either side. Unethical behaviour by the parties? Sure. Voter fraud? No such thing.

As far as you accusing Republicans of voter fraud goes.....

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Interesting. I don't know if you're just uninformed or if I'm wrong about what should be perceived as voter fraud. The republican party is supposed to deliver caucous results that represent what the people want. If GOP officials are pushing Romney, they are already violating party rules. If they suppress true vote counts and disallow or ignore participants because they do not support Romney, they are further violating party rules and I would call this voter fraud because they are delivering fixed results. How would you argue that this is not voter fraud ?

ignoring and violating caucous rules................UNETHICAL

Omitting the caucous results of several counties where Romney did not win.....VOTER FRAUD

Postponing a caucous in a county where Romney is not expected to win, then refusing to accept the results a week later after the caucous was held because they missed the deadline...........UNETHICAL

Rigging vote machines to flip votes for Romney.............VOTER FRAUD

Refusing to count votes in front of everyone and refusing to allow anyone to watch as they secretly tallied the votes.........................UNETHICAL - BORDERLINE VOTER FRAUD

Those barely scratch the surface....so much crap went on, but again, if none of this is voter fraud to you, then what is??
 
Dragonfly said:
Isn't that what I asked?

Is the leadership of the republican party committing illegal voter fraud in order to get Romney nominated?
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He's saying yes, but wants to clarify that it's perpetrated by the establishment, not the voters themselves.
 
Dragonfly said:
So you're thinking a party, like the current republican party (or current democratic party for that matter), might pull a Penn State or Catholic Church kinda thing?

You think they secretly do, and cover-up something that if discovered would ultimately completely tear them apart?

Just curious how far you think the republicans would go. (Or democrats).

The party was almost split with the Tea Party movement.

How damaging do you think a nationwide, and highly illegal voter fraud scenario would be?
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I wouldn't be surprised to see the parties go to extraordinary lengths to ensure their dominance and power. If they're smart, they won't make it in a way in which the party itself would be torn apart. The "best" way would be some oligarchy of the Republicans and Democrats where in they skew laws and regulations to discourage political competition, ensure party loyalty of the people elected through similar means, and do so in a way that if anything is ever discovered both sides can point fingers at the other. That way you keep the party structure alive. "It wasn't us! It was the Democrats!" and vice versa. And by "best", I do not mean best for the Republic, but best for the party structure.

How damaging would highly illegal voter fraud be? Aggregated to large enough levels, it will completely cut the People out of the system and produce unrestrained government free to expand itself at its leisure.
 
Ikari said:
How damaging would highly illegal voter fraud be? Aggregated to large enough levels, it will completely cut the People out of the system and produce unrestrained government free to expand itself at its leisure.
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It'd also most likely trigger revolution. On some scale. Perhaps violent.
 
Dragonfly said:
It'd also most likely trigger revolution. On some scale. Perhaps violent.
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It should trigger a violent revolution. However, with today's apathy towards keeping the Republic, I doubt it would materialize.
 
I'd bet you'd see lot's of "home-grown" terrorism focused on government buildings.
Do you think the two major parties would really want to push that far towards self-destruction?

Would any "public official" who was forced into office through voter fraud on that level be safe when appearing in public?

Car bombs, assassination attempts, arson, mail bombs, anthrax packages....there's plenty of ways an extremely angry American public could strike back against a "new dictatorship".
 
Hatuey said:
There is no voter fraud problem in the US. It doesn't exist on either side. Unethical behaviour by the parties? Sure. Voter fraud? No such thing.

As far as you accusing Republicans of voter fraud goes.....

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While NAACP President Benjamin Jealous lashed out at new state laws requiring photo ID for voting, an NAACP executive sits in prison, sentenced for carrying out a massive voter fraud scheme

Sowers was found guilty of voting in the names of Carrie Collins, Walter Howard, Sheena Shelton, Alberta Pickett, Draper Cotton and Eddie Davis. She was also convicted of voting in the names of four dead persons: James L. Young, Dora Price, Dorothy Harris, and David Ross.

Read more: Mississippi NAACP leader sent to prison for 10 counts of voter fraud | The Daily Caller
 
Hatuey said:
There is no voter fraud problem in the US. It doesn't exist on either side. Unethical behaviour by the parties? Sure. Voter fraud? No such thing.
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:3oops: :doh

jerry7 said:
While NAACP President Benjamin Jealous lashed out at new state laws requiring photo ID for voting, an NAACP executive sits in prison, sentenced for carrying out a massive voter fraud scheme

Sowers was found guilty of voting in the names of Carrie Collins, Walter Howard, Sheena Shelton, Alberta Pickett, Draper Cotton and Eddie Davis. She was also convicted of voting in the names of four dead persons: James L. Young, Dora Price, Dorothy Harris, and David Ross.

Read more: Mississippi NAACP leader sent to prison for 10 counts of voter fraud | The Daily Caller
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Simple follow up question: For those who do believe the republican leadership is fraudulently placing Romney at the front of the pack, who is it that should actually be at the front?

Which candidate, or candidates have been illegally placed behind Romney in the race for the nomination?
 
How can anyone react to something that is just speculation? Naturally IF this is happening it is fraud.
 
OnWisconsin said:
The only significant voter fraud that happens within this country is not on the individual who is voting it is with the people who count/setup/maintain the machines that collect votes. So I said "other".
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You, of course, have some proof of this? Proof, as in something that would stand up in a court of law and is not instead the incoherent ramblings of a defeated candidate who can't accept the fact that the reason he lost was because most of the voters considered him to be a bozo.

If what you say is true, then we should be hearing about convictions of election officials for election fraud on a daily basis.
 
Dragonfly said:
It'd also most likely trigger revolution. On some scale. Perhaps violent.
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Sounds like you're beginning to get the picture. Obama was very close to dictatorship or, in fact, was for a very brief period of time until a federal judge enjoined that section from becoming law, and saved our ass. Most don't even know about it and those who do really don't understand the ramifications of it, or the implications about what our government is trying to achieve. It was a coup d'etat and not only has Obama not been formally charged with felony perjury for breaking his oath and whatever treason charges may be appropriate, but he is still in office. Read this one more time very slowly:

The NDAA's section 1021 coup d'etat foiled | Naomi Wolf | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
 
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sKiTzo said:
Sounds like you're beginning to get the picture. Obama was very close to dictatorship or, in fact, was for a very brief period of time until a federal judge enjoined that section from becoming law, and saved our ass. Most don't even know about it and those who do really don't understand the ramifications of it, or the implications about what our government is trying to achieve. It was a coup d'etat and not only has Obama not been formally charged with felony perjury for breaking his oath and whatever treason charges may be appropriate, but he is still in office. Read this one more time very slowly:

The NDAA's section 1021 coup d'etat foiled | Naomi Wolf | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk
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What exactly does Obama have to do with a republican leadership coup to defraud the entire USofA and make a total mockery of our Constitutional rights?
 
Romney is the nominee because he has a lot of money and because the way our primary is set up is not ideal. a significant percentage of voters routinely have no say in who the nominee of either party is because the race is over by the time they get to vote.

as for fraud or conspiracy, i don't buy it.
 
jerry7 said:
While NAACP President Benjamin Jealous lashed out at new state laws requiring photo ID for voting, an NAACP executive sits in prison, sentenced for carrying out a massive voter fraud scheme

Sowers was found guilty of voting in the names of Carrie Collins, Walter Howard, Sheena Shelton, Alberta Pickett, Draper Cotton and Eddie Davis. She was also convicted of voting in the names of four dead persons: James L. Young, Dora Price, Dorothy Harris, and David Ross.

Read more: Mississippi NAACP leader sent to prison for 10 counts of voter fraud | The Daily Caller
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10 counts of voter fraud in Mississipi do not a national issue make. Whenever you come up with 1 guy carrying out 100,000 instances of voter fraud - or anything remotely significant in an election process that includes over 100,000,000 voters - let me know.
 
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Dragonfly said:
What exactly does Obama have to do with a republican leadership coup to defraud the entire USofA and make a total mockery of our Constitutional rights?
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Someone had mentioned that if this is true, people should be going nuts, but the disturbing fact is nobody is doing anything. I suppose I mentioned the Obama thing because of that common denominator between the Obama thing and voter fraud: that nobody seems to care enough to do anything about it. If americans don't privy up and defend the constitution, we're going to lose it. It's a grave matter that people aren't taking seriously. The voter fraud is part of that whole agenda, but you're right, we do have another thread for that. My apologies.
 
Helix said:
a significant percentage of voters routinely have no say in who the nominee of either party is because the race is over by the time they get to vote.
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Really? You have just provided such a prime example of the epidemic of ignorance in america today. THIS is why we are losing everything. You act like it's commonplace that "a significant percentage of voters routinely have no say in who the nominee of either party is because the race is over by the time they get to vote". It also appears that you've accepted this and don't really plan to object to it or do anything about it anytime soon. "routinely have no say" sounds like voter fraud. I don't know - I could be wrong. Too many people have this same attitude about it and that is why they are getting away with it.


Helix said:
as for fraud or conspiracy, i don't buy it.
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You've already bought it hook, line, and sinker. I'm not saying it's your fault. It's the fact that the media does their job so well and people trust the media. We won't get into that here.
 
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