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Do you think water boarding is torture?[W:453]

Do you think water boarding is torture?


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Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

If water boarding could save one life I say go for it.......

If we start using the rationale then there is no limit to how we justify our actions.
 
Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

Oh, boo.

Waterboarding is a trick. A cloth is placed over the face and then water is poured on it, inducing the feeling of drowning. That is what happened to me and that is what happened to the detainees. There is no "slight touch of waterbaording."

Now, you can go on opinions from the internet. I'll go on everything you have access to, a lot you don't have access to, and actual expirience with the subject matter.

Now, I'm sorry, but you likely only think you know what you're talking about.

It wasn't "the internet" jr. It was from those who design the program. You're being disingenuous to cover your error.
 
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It wasn't "the internet" jr. It was from those who design the program. You're being disingenuous to cover your error.

You are being disengenious by claiming anything more than secondhand and cursory knowledge of the issue.
 
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You are being disengenious by claiming anything more than secondhand and cursory knowledge of the issue.

Hardly. The invented the program, ran the program, and spell out speifically how it is different. I'm sorry you want to pretend otherwise, but this is the case. The facts are simply against you.
 
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Hardly. The invented the program, ran the program, and spell out speifically how it is different. I'm sorry you want to pretend otherwise, but this is the case. The facts are simply against you.

The only difference is that it was "real". There was no little voice in the back of the subject's head saying, "They aren't going to kill me." Other than that, waterboarding is waterboarding. The effect the same "in training" and "in real life". Neither of which you know anything about.
 
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The only difference is that it was "real". There was no little voice in the back of the subject's head saying, "They aren't going to kill me." Other than that, waterboarding is waterboarding. The effect the same "in training" and "in real life". Neither of which you know anything about.

Didn't need a voice, you knew it. You ahd support, the event was limited, every was monditoring you and concerned for your well being. A completely different situation. Unless and until you're captured by an enemy and go through it then, your experience is not the same. It was, as they testified before congress, nothing but a taste.
 
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Didn't need a voice, you knew it. You ahd support, the event was limited, every was monditoring you and concerned for your well being. A completely different situation. Unless and until you're captured by an enemy and go through it then, your experience is not the same. It was, as they testified before congress, nothing but a taste.


It was the same treatment, with the same physical effect. Unless and until you've done either, you're just blathering.
 
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It was the same treatment, with the same physical effect. Unless and until you've done either, you're just blathering.

No, that is false and shown so before congress by those who ran it. You are simply ignore the evidence that proves you wrong. As an individual, you cannot have the entire picture with only your personal experience.
 
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Its easy for a Liberal to say water boarding is torture...It does not affect them......If it did they might be singing a different tune.
 
Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

Its easy for a Liberal to say water boarding is torture...It does not affect them......If it did they might be singing a different tune.

What do you mean "it doesn't affect them?"
 
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No, that is false and shown so before congress by those who ran it. You are simply ignore the evidence that proves you wrong. As an individual, you cannot have the entire picture with only your personal experience.

No, you've simply latched hold of a sound bite you think proves your position....makes perfect sense, since you have no first hand knowledge.
 
Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

What do you mean "it doesn't affect them?"

They have no loved one held by a terrorist who might have his or head chopped off.......
 
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No, you've simply latched hold of a sound bite you think proves your position....makes perfect sense, since you have no first hand knowledge.

MNo, I haven't. Over the years I've read much on it. I point to congressional testimony, linking all of it because it is on point. I also point the person who designed the program, ran it, testified, and wrote a book on it. I've supported my position fully. You have not.
 
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They have no loved one held by a terrorist who might have his or head chopped off.......

How do you know? Seriously?
 
Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

I think most people know it is torture. The better question would be is this type of torture acceptable?

For me, none. It is immoral and largely ineffective.
 
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MNo, I haven't. Over the years I've read much on it. I point to congressional testimony, linking all of it because it is on point. I also point the person who designed the program, ran it, testified, and wrote a book on it. I've supported my position fully. You have not.

Right, what you've read about it.

I literally know hundreds of people that went through it, I know quite personally, many of the instructors that teach it, and many of the COs that have run it.

None of them (that I have spoken to specifically about waterboarding) agree with you. :shrug:
 
Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

It's torture! Try it and see for yourself like Christopher Hitchens did..

Watch Christopher Hitchens Get Waterboarded



What a lying little prick. He's wearing the same shirt as in the demonstration and yet he's had several nights of nightmares as a result? He taped the interview the same day.
 
Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

It's torture! Try it and see for yourself like Christopher Hitchens did..

Watch Christopher Hitchens Get Waterboarded



That is a shorter amount of time and less water used then what is done to SERE students.
 
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Right, what you've read about it.

I literally know hundreds of people that went through it, I know quite personally, many of the instructors that teach it, and many of the COs that have run it.

None of them (that I have spoken to specifically about waterboarding) agree with you. :shrug:

No, you know hundreds who went through SERE, which we know, and any logical person knows isn't the same thing. And a mass delusion is still a delusion. Agian, I've supported my position. You have not.
 
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No, you know hundreds who went through SERE, which we know, and any logical person knows isn't the same thing. And a mass delusion is still a delusion. Agian, I've supported my position. You have not.

No, I have went through it, I know hundreds that have went through it (including waterboarding) I know the instructors and leaders of the course, and I know the civilian advisors to the course. In fact, the current SEL of one of the two
Navy SERE schools is a personal friend of over 20 years.

Read some more, Boo.
 
Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

No, I have went through it, I know hundreds that have went through it (including waterboarding) I know the instructors and leaders of the course, and I know the civilian advisors to the course. In fact, the current SEL of one of the two
Navy SERE schools is a personal friend of over 20 years.

Read some more, Boo.

No, you went through a small sample. Nothing more. If you were not captured by a real enemy, you only got a sample. Again, I've linked testimony on this given to congress. You view, too close to see the forest, isn't accurate.

I assume your personal friend is a person, which is hard to make out in your sentence, but if he is the fellow who ran it, he testified before congress. And said otherwise. Sorry.
 
Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

No, you went through a small sample. Nothing more.

Incorrect. I've been through several levels of it. I've observed it done to others. And I know hundreds of others that can say the same.

If you were not captured by a real enemy, you only got a sample.

Which is more than you.

Again, I've linked testimony on this given to congress.

Right, a sound bite.

You view, too close to see the forest, isn't accurate.

Again, I have FAR more personal exp with it than you.

I assume your personal friend is a person,

I only count people as personal friends...

which is hard to make out in your sentence,

if you have trouble reading English.

but if he is the fellow who ran it, he testified before congress. And said otherwise. Sorry.

SEL means Senior Enlisted leader. And there is not one person running one program.
 
Re: Do you think water boarding is torture?

Incorrect. I've been through several levels of it. I've observed it done to others. And I know hundreds of others that can say the same.



Which is more than you.



Right, a sound bite.



Again, I have FAR more personal exp with it than you.



I only count people as personal friends...



if you have trouble reading English.



SEL means Senior Enlisted leader. And there is not one person running one program.

You can go off all you want, but that isn't evidence. And you last snetence said this: Navy SERE schools is a personal friend of over 20 years. I assumed SEL was one and this sentence was the other. But, not a name, no link, nothing verifable. I have supported my claim. You have not. ANd running off mad won't change that. We have testinmony before congress, very much verifiable, and it supports my claim and not yours. Sorry.
 
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