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Why would you own an assault rifle?

Would you own an assault Rifle? Why?

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haymarket said:
Simply stating that does precious little for a thorough understanding as to the designation and what it means for our society. We need much much more data.

We need to know how much of America is a gun free zone?

Are gun free zones really gun free or is that label a misnomer and inaccurate?

What is the murder and crime rate like in gun free zones compared to non gun free zones?

Has the designation of certain areas as gun free zones lowered the crime rate or murder rate?

Simply to rail that gun free zones are bad without actual data and reliable information is highly misleading and does a great disservice to any honest discussion.
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You don't want to deal with the facts because the real facts are pretty hard on the anti gun emotoblathering that the left oozes.

the fact is-every mass shooting I can think of occurred in an area where the victims were not able to carry guns
 
TurtleDude said:
You don't want to deal with the facts because the real facts are pretty hard on the anti gun emotoblathering that the left oozes.

the fact is-every mass shooting I can think of occurred in an area where the victims were not able to carry guns
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Methinks if an assault rifle ban to the mass's goes to scotus it will be upheld...everything im reading indicates that...scalias comment was more than eyeopening...him being if not the thee one of the most conservative justices.

Having said that the main reason as I see it to own an assault rifle is to protect yourself against the rich and corporate far right nutter cheerleaders...that are trying to take the rest of our existence away out of Greedy Piggyness...:)
 
Jerry said:
The cartoon emphasizes 'shall not be infringed' and shows dead people in a zone where the 2A is infringed. If you support the infringement of a gun-free zone in schools, then you support the dead adult in that cartoon not being able to defend the kids in his classroom, which is why they all died.

The cartoon either supports school shootings, or sends the message for the need not to infringe on the 2A regarding schools because of school shootings.
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Definition of Satire - "noun 1. the use of irony, sarcasm, ridicule, or the like, in exposing, denouncing, or deriding vice, folly, etc.
 
TurtleDude said:
That is a silly rant given Mexico has draconian gun laws

you also fail to deal with

England bans handguns-handgun violence increases


we permit carrying handguns-violent crime decreases

its pretty obvious you just don't like the politics of the pro gun movement

they oppose the utopian pillow headed peacenik socialism you have advocated for years
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Aurora and the U.S. Obsession with Guns: Leadership Wanted to Fight Political Capture | Brookings Institution
 
Catawba said:
I don't, you have misread the discussion, and/or misinterpreted the cartoon.
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The cartoon can indeed be viewed to have the opposite meanings. It just depends on your own bias. I would call it an psychological illusion kind of like those optical illusions that look like a young girl to some people or a old hag to others.
 
TurtleDude said:
You don't want to deal with the facts because the real facts are pretty hard on the anti gun emotoblathering that the left oozes.

the fact is-every mass shooting I can think of occurred in an area where the victims were not able to carry guns
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All I have done is dealt with the facts. And we need much more in the way of facts - particularly about the new SATAN hoisted before us - gun free zones.

We need to know how much of America is a gun free zone?

Are gun free zones really gun free or is that label a misnomer and inaccurate?

What is the murder and crime rate like in gun free zones compared to non gun free zones?

Has the designation of certain areas as gun free zones lowered the crime rate or murder rate?

Simply to rail that gun free zones are bad without actual data and reliable information is highly misleading and does a great disservice to any honest discussion.
 
haymarket said:
All I have done is dealt with the facts. And we need much more in the way of facts - particularly about the new SATAN hoisted before us - gun free zones.

We need to know how much of America is a gun free zone?

Are gun free zones really gun free or is that label a misnomer and inaccurate?

What is the murder and crime rate like in gun free zones compared to non gun free zones?

Has the designation of certain areas as gun free zones lowered the crime rate or murder rate?

Simply to rail that gun free zones are bad without actual data and reliable information is highly misleading and does a great disservice to any honest discussion.
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Are you getting religion, man?
 
haymarket said:
All I have done is dealt with the facts. And we need much more in the way of facts - particularly about the new SATAN hoisted before us - gun free zones.

We need to know how much of America is a gun free zone?

Are gun free zones really gun free or is that label a misnomer and inaccurate?

What is the murder and crime rate like in gun free zones compared to non gun free zones?

Has the designation of certain areas as gun free zones lowered the crime rate or murder rate?

Simply to rail that gun free zones are bad without actual data and reliable information is highly misleading and does a great disservice to any honest discussion.
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every major mass shooting I can think of took place in an area-be it due to city or state laws or landlord's rules-where honest people were not legally armed.


I guess those who hate the fact that gun owners-and more importantly-gun owner advocacy groups tend to vote against the people who push welfare socialism, income redistribution and other collectivist nonsense.

what we do know is that there is absolutely NO evidence that the gun control laws mainly dem politicians push for make anyone other than criminals safer.


Given there is almost no empirical evidence supporting the sort of gun restrictions your party pushes for, I can only assume that harassing honest gun owners is what motivates assholes like Lautenberg, McCarthy, Feinswine and other gun hating Democrats
 
It would be nice if those who want to restrict gun rights would be able to muster the sort of evidence they think we should even though we have demonstrated that gun free zones are the sites of almost every major mass shooting

we all know that gun free zones only stop honest law abiding people from packing heat as well

of course some would demand we prove that those who intend to kill others are somehow deterred by gun free zones
 
Catawba said:
And your point is???
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Did you actually read through some of the data from that link? Or look at their charts?

My point is that longrange data does not support your point of view. We once had very low gun murder rates and they have massively increased as greater controls were put on guns. Of course, that is not the complete picture, because there were many changes in our society during that time period.

Want to go back further USA Homicide Rates

Until 1903, weapon ownership was considered compulsory, look at the murder rate when pretty much every ablebodies male in the country had a weapon vs what happened afterwards. And since that ownership was compuslsor as part of the nation defence plans, it was military style weapons that many of them owned, today, that would be assault rifles, with high capacity magazines. Yes, there were big spikes during proabition and during the hayday of the war on drugs. During those times, the number of armed households were also lower than previous. Following WWII, there is a low, guess what, many of those soilders coming home owned guns and new how to use them.
 
DVSentinel said:
Did you actually read through some of the data from that link? Or look at their charts?

My point is that longrange data does not support your point of view. We once had very low gun murder rates and they have massively increased as greater controls were put on guns. Of course, that is not the complete picture, because there were many changes in our society during that time period.

Want to go back further USA Homicide Rates

Until 1903, weapon ownership was considered compulsory, look at the murder rate when pretty much every ablebodies male in the country had a weapon vs what happened afterwards. And since that ownership was compuslsor as part of the nation defence plans, it was military style weapons that many of them owned, today, that would be assault rifles, with high capacity magazines. Yes, there were big spikes during proabition and during the hayday of the war on drugs. During those times, the number of armed households were also lower than previous. Following WWII, there is a low, guess what, many of those soilders coming home owned guns and new how to use them.
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gun control was never intended to be crime control but ethnic control

Klansman didn't want freed blacks having guns

wasps didn't want "papists" having guns

the Irish pols who ran NYC didn't want Italians having guns

and once again, rich dems don't want poor whites or blacks having guns
 
TurtleDude said:
gun control was never intended to be crime control but ethnic control

Klansman didn't want freed blacks having guns

wasps didn't want "papists" having guns

the Irish pols who ran NYC didn't want Italians having guns

and once again, rich dems don't want poor whites or blacks having guns
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Absolutely correct. In fact the very first gun control was southern Democrats looking to disbar slaves, escaped slaves, and freedmen from firearms ownership. What followed was a decades long period of lynching innocents, KKK domestic terrorism against not only blacks but Catholics and other non-Baptist christians, and those of the Jewish faith.

As well, current African regimes LOVE gun control, it keeps the weapons in their hands while they are free to rape, oppress, murder, and otherwise pillage their rival tribes. German gun control was the first step to solidifying the Third Reich's position to centralize the Deutschlands into Nazi SS control, we all know how that turned out. Very few dictatorships actually armed their citizens, I believe the only one that did was that of the Iraqi regime, that's the only one I can remember anyway.
 
TurtleDude said:
every major mass shooting I can think of took place in an area-be it due to city or state laws or landlord's rules-where honest people were not legally armed.


I guess those who hate the fact that gun owners-and more importantly-gun owner advocacy groups tend to vote against the people who push welfare socialism, income redistribution and other collectivist nonsense.

what we do know is that there is absolutely NO evidence that the gun control laws mainly dem politicians push for make anyone other than criminals safer.


Given there is almost no empirical evidence supporting the sort of gun restrictions your party pushes for, I can only assume that harassing honest gun owners is what motivates assholes like Lautenberg, McCarthy, Feinswine and other gun hating Democrats
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There are only three attempted violent acts I can remember in places with guns. 1) A news story I clipped out years ago, the headline "Man Attempts Armed Robbery of Gun Store With Knife", it didn't end well for him, but we didn't need to have ESP to predict that one. 2) A man walked into a leather and firearms retailer known to be a popular LEO hangout, he walked past not only a police cruiser but two plane clothes off duty officers(both armed) and pulled on the [also armed] store clerk in front of the two officers and [also armed] patrons of the establishment. He drew, they all drew and told him to stop, he got one shot and minor flesh wound on the armed clerk before earning a Darwin Award for his efforts.
The last one I know of was an attempted armed robbery of a store, the moron couldn't see through his disguise and accidentally walked in drawn on the armed customers of the gun store next to his target, he didn't accomplish more than becoming worm food.
 
TurtleDude said:
gun control was never intended to be crime control but ethnic control

Klansman didn't want freed blacks having guns

wasps didn't want "papists" having guns

the Irish pols who ran NYC didn't want Italians having guns

and once again, rich dems don't want poor whites or blacks having guns
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And Liberals trying to push a socialistic agenda don't want the population to have guns.
 
DVSentinel said:
And Liberals trying to push a socialistic agenda don't want the population to have guns.
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Which if guns were even banned there are thousands of gun smiths to fill the void. And many more thousands of people with home machine shops. It would make as much since as banning a plant that is easily cultivated.
 
friday said:
Recently, A Democrat senator suggested that he has no idea why anyone would need to have an assault rifle. His ignorance is the premise of his decision to limit the 2nd amendment. To me the answer is pretty easy.

I would own an assault reason for the exact same reason I would own a superfast sports car that is built to exceed legal speed limits. So that if the Chinese drilling off our coast where we are not allowed to ever decided to sneak soldiers and nukes into the gulf instead of oil rig workers and equipment and invaded Florida blitzkrieg style, I'd have a chance of getting out alive.

Seriously though, would you own an assault rifle? And if so, why?
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well duh....how else am I going to kill the zombies when the apocalypse comes?
 
TurtleDude said:
gun control was never intended to be crime control but ethnic control

Klansman didn't want freed blacks having guns

wasps didn't want "papists" having guns

the Irish pols who ran NYC didn't want Italians having guns

and once again, rich dems don't want poor whites or blacks having guns
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Which is a very strange post for you Turtle given that in other posts you specifically single out non-white people as having the problems with guns.

here is one of your statements

white americans who don't get involved with the drug trade are as safe or safer as white europeans
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and here is another from you

the point is-our gun violence rate is skewed by 6% of the population. and most of those in that 6% are not causing problems either
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So on the one hand you make a post decrying gun control as ethnic control. Then in other threads, you make posts decrying the "6%" of non whites who actually have the problems with guns.
 
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Hey American, every time I try to save your image a hack crashes my browser. The same thing happens when I try to quote your post in a reply. My firewall is going nuts.
 
If guns were banned only criminals and the government would have guns----------thats why we have the 2nd amendment.

I don't feel the need for an assault rifle, I can protect myself and my property with my shotguns, and pistols.
 
Bobcat said:
If guns were banned only criminals and the government would have guns----------thats why we have the 2nd amendment.

I don't feel the need for an assault rifle, I can protect myself and my property with my shotguns, and pistols.
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Hell even a lever action .308 and a well placed gold dot would do fine.
 
FreedomFromAll said:
Which if guns were even banned there are thousands of gun smiths to fill the void. And many more thousands of people with home machine shops. It would make as much since as banning a plant that is easily cultivated.
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Damn, you gave away my secret, I was trying to keep the government thinking those tools were for fixing my tractor.
 
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