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Why would you own an assault rifle?

Would you own an assault Rifle? Why?


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"the U.S. firearm homicide rate is about 20 times higher than in 22 other populous high-income countries combined, despite similar non-lethal crime and violence rates. Unsurprisingly then, they claim that in recent years, among 23 populous, high-income countries, 80 percent of all firearm deaths occurred in the United States. "

You seem to be leaving out some pertinent information. Suicides are a high percentage of firearms-related deaths. Most homocides are occuring in inner cities and urban areas, where guns are often not obtained legally.

from wiki:
The majority of gun-related deaths in the United States are suicides,[5] with 17,352 (55.6%) of the total 31,224 firearm-related deaths in 2007 due to suicide, while 12,632 (40.5%) were homicide deaths.[6] In 2009, according to the UNODC, 60% of all homicides in the United States were perpetrated using a firearm.[7]

People with a criminal record are also more likely to die as homicide victims.[12] Between 1990 and 1994, 75% of all homicide victims age 21 and younger in the city of Boston had a prior criminal record.[35] In Philadelphia, the percentage of those killed in gun homicides that had prior criminal records increased from 73% in 1985 to 93% in 1996.[12][36] In Richmond, Virginia, the risk of gunshot injury is 22 times higher for those males involved with crime

Additionally, on the question of where guns used in crimes are coming from:



http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/guns.htm

Offenders


According to the 1997 Survey of State Prison Inmates, among those possessing a gun, the source of the gun was from -


a flea market or gun show for fewer than 2%
a retail store or pawnshop for about 12%
family, friends, a street buy, or an illegal source for 80%
 
i think everyone saw you were schooled on this subject. If you look at that stat Goshin posted you will see no hispanics

Hispanics are counted as whites in many studies


Bureau of Justice Statistics Homicide trends in the U.S.: Trends by race

the other day I bought my son a skeet gun. the dealer had a NEW form 4473 (and since I bought a pistol a month ago I know it was different)

it used to be there were several boxes that you check-white, african american, asian etc

now they have one specifically Latino or Non-latino

interesting


That changes nothing, except in highlighting your failure above. You can get rid of all the races except white, and we still have a higher homicide rate committed with firearms per 1 million population.
 
what you fail to understand is that the laws you want to pass cause very obvious harm and have very ephemeral evidence of doing any good.

background checks....would cause HARM?????

magazine size limits for handguns & rifles....would cause HARM???????

a one handgun purchase per month limit....would cause HARM????


please, tell us what HARM these regulations would cause.




:doh
 
You seem to be leaving out some pertinent information. Suicides are a high percentage of firearms-related deaths. Most homocides are occuring in inner cities and urban areas, where guns are often not obtained legally.

from wiki:


Additionally, on the question of where guns used in crimes are coming from:



http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/guns.htm

that sort of destroys all the teeth gnashing we have seen from some hysterics over gun shows. Its the same statistics I quoted. the crap about gun shows being a major source was a complete and TOTAL LIE
 
You seem to be leaving out some pertinent information. Suicides are a high percentage of firearms-related deaths. Most homocides are occuring in inner cities and urban areas, where guns are often not obtained legally.

from wiki:


Additionally, on the question of where guns used in crimes are coming from:



http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/guns.htm


Your points have already been addressed in my previous posts.
 
background checks....would cause HARM?????

magazine size limits for handguns & rifles....would cause HARM???????

a one handgun purchase per month limit....would cause HARM????


please, tell us what HARM these regulations would cause.




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yeah magazine limits cause harm to those of us who are competitive shooters and constantly replace magazines

my cost for my IPSC open gun went from 25 or so a mag in 1993 to 140 a mag or so in 1997

a limit on purchases infringes on my rights. I often buy two handguns together for competition, one as a back up

why should I wait

background checks are fine-with dealers

the only way to enforce them for private citizens is complete gun registration


now your turn

how is a magazine limit going to stop a criminal from getting one and what number do you want and what empirical studies prove those limits are valid

and since bad guys are not allowed to BUY ANY GUNS A MONTH why should I be restricted
 
The burden is on restrictionists to explain why their proposed infringements on our rights will do any good. and even if they can prove that they still haven't won the argument because we can still claim that freedom trumps public safety (miranda, gideon innocent until proven guilty are all examples)

but unless the restrictionists can prove a high probability of their proposed restrictions increasing public safety they lose

there is NO OTHER ARGUMENT IN FAVOR OF RESTRICTIONS

and right now there is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever supporting those restrictions

and as I noted we have other arguments in addition to the public safety ones.

the anti gun side does not
 
yeah magazine limits cause harm to those of us who are competitive shooters and constantly replace magazines...

oh, I thought you were talking about REAL harm. My bad. :)

...a limit on purchases infringes on my rights. I often buy two handguns together for competition, one as a back up

why should I wait...

again, my bad. I logically assumed you were talking about REAL harm, not inconvenience.


...background checks are fine-with dealers

the only way to enforce them for private citizens is complete gun registration...

first thing is to require them at ALL gunshows.

how to enforce them with private sales, is another bridge to cross.
 
its the only thing the rich fear. And any new British types.
 
oh, I thought you were talking about REAL harm. My bad. :)



again, my bad. I logically assumed you were talking about REAL harm, not inconvenience.




first thing is to require them at ALL gunshows.

how to enforce them with private sales, is another bridge to cross.

more idiocy. any infringement is real harm


the burden is on you to prove your restrictions have a benefit

not on me to prove the opposite
 
its the only thing the rich fear. And any new British types.

are you on the right thread? that makes no sense whatsoever especially since you did not quote a comment you were replying to
 
Your points have already been addressed in my previous posts.

Then your points are not really valid. Restrictions on legal gun owners wouldn't have any appreciable effect on gun crimes in this country.
 
...and since bad guys are not allowed to BUY ANY GUNS A MONTH why should I be restricted

limiting handgun purchases to one per month, will put a serious dent in all the straw gun-purchases that are made around the country.

it will put a serious dent into the livelyhood of criminals who buy lots of handguns in one state and sell them to murderers & rapists in another.

sorry, but the inconvenience to you that would be caused by only being able to buy one handgun per month, is inconsequential compared to the possible damage this could cause to criminal gun-sales....and the reduction of gun crimes this might cause in major cities.
 
Then your points are not really valid. Restrictions on legal gun owners wouldn't have any appreciable effect on gun crimes in this country.

does anyone honestly believe that gun crime is what really motivates the far left when it comes to guns.
 
limiting handgun purchases to one per month, will put a serious dent in all the straw gun-purchases that are made around the country.

it will put a serious dent into the livelyhood of criminals who buy lots of handguns in one state and sell them to murderers & rapists in another.

sorry, but the inconvenience to you that would be caused by only being able to buy one handgun per month, is inconsequential compared to the possible damage this could cause to criminal gun-sales....and the reduction of gun crimes this might cause in major cities.

sorry faith based arguments without evidence don't cut it. multiple purchases are already reported to the ATF
 
it will put a serious dent into the livelyhood of criminals who buy lots of handguns in one state and sell them to murderers & rapists in another.

That isn't how illegal gun possessions are taking place, as a rule. They are buying them off of other street gangs and thugs. The ones who are purchasing and selling large numbers of weapons, aren't going through legal channels either. Those guns can be traced back to them, and they aren't that stupid.
 
more idiocy. any infringement is real harm...

sadly, you are once again confusing inconvenience, with actual HARM

sorry to inconvenience you, but public safety is more important than your desperate need to buy two handguns at the same time.
 
does anyone honestly believe that gun crime is what really motivates the far left when it comes to guns.

right, so when you get too tired to argue the merits, you go back to one of your many pathetic fall-back positions, that this is really about evil Liberals taking away yer freedom.
 
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sadly, you are once again confusing inconvenience, with actual HARM

sorry to inconvenience you, but public safety is more important than your desperate need to buy two handguns at the same time.

faith based arguments don't support infringements. try again

straw purchases are illegal and gain serious prison time

we have enough laws.

we need to enforce them

like if someone lies on a 4473 we should charge them with perjury. when they are in jail for that they cannot buy guns from anyone

tell me thunder-what sort of studies and information did you consult before becoming a self professed expert on what needs to be done given you have never owned a gun and really have no clue about their use (yet)
 
right, so when you get too tired to argue the merits, you go back to one of your many pathetic fall-back positions, that this is really about evil Liberals taking away yer freedom.

it is taking away from my freedom and why should I suffer any infringement when you cannot prove it will have any benefit

and once again, I can honestly argue that my freedom should not be infringed EVEN IF you can show it might cause some good

and you really aren't in any position to tell me what causes me harm
 
it is taking away from my freedom and why should I suffer any infringement when you cannot prove it will have any benefit...

limiting your handgun purchases to one per month, doesn't mess with your freedom.

it simply slows down you ability to stockpile your arsenal of deadly weapons. This is an inconvenience, that all adults would learn to deal with in a mature fashion.

requiring background checks for ALL gunshow sales, would require all sales to go through a 2-minute background check.

this would take two additional minutes out of the sellers time. This is an inconvenience, that all adults would learn to deal with in a mature fashion.

limiting hangun mag. sizes to 10 rounds, would mean you would have to bring that extra magazine to the range. This is an inconvenience that all adults would learn to deal with in a mature fashion.


....meanwhile, while law-abiding citizens learn to deal with these inconveniences, criminals would be ****ting their pants, trying to figure out how they are gonna buy guns.

this is a great thing, one worthy of the inconveniences it would cause.

just like seatbelts, stop lights, stop signs, traffic lights, and speed limits.
 
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limiting your handgun purchases to one per month, doesn't mess with your freedom.

it simply slows down you ability to stockpile your arsenal of deadly weapons. This is an inconvenience, that all adults would learn to deal with in a mature fashion.

requiring background checks for ALL gunshow sales, would require all sales to go through a 2-minute background check.

this would take two additional minutes out of the sellers time. This is an inconvenience, that all adults would learn to deal with in a mature fashion.

I think I have the ultimate say not you



I think you should be inconvenienced by only making one post a month on guns. You see most of your posts are idiotic and the discourse on this board would improve.

I think if you ever got into office and tried to impose all the crap you would want we'd all want to be better armed
 
I think I have the ultimate say not you

I think you should be inconvenienced by only making one post a month on guns. You see most of your posts are idiotic and the discourse on this board would improve....

so rather than discussing the issue, you fallback to childish remarks. And you have the hypocrisy to accuse ME of diverting threads.

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