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Why would you own an assault rifle?

Would you own an assault Rifle? Why?


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WRONG

a cop telling you to get leave the scene of danger or a crime, is a LAWFUL order.

fail to obey it and you get arrested.

and judges can order you to do something too-doesn't make them non-civilians

why do Federal Law enforcement jobs come under the General Service (CIVILIAN) classifications Thunder?
 
Recently, A Democrat senator suggested that he has no idea why anyone would need to have an assault rifle. His ignorance is the premise of his decision to limit the 2nd amendment. To me the answer is pretty easy.

I would own an assault reason for the exact same reason I would own a superfast sports car that is built to exceed legal speed limits. So that if the Chinese drilling off our coast where we are not allowed to ever decided to sneak soldiers and nukes into the gulf instead of oil rig workers and equipment and invaded Florida blitzkrieg style, I'd have a chance of getting out alive.

Seriously though, would you own an assault rifle? And if so, why?

I would personally not own an assault rifle. But a collector of guns might. Usefulness is not the foundation of a collection as people collect man things which have no usefulness.
 
back to this silly red-herring, huh TD?

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you made the idiotic an non supported psychobabble that cops are not civilians

I have given several forms of proof that civilian LEOs are civilians

the PC act distinguishes between MILITARY AND CIVILIAN

you all just make unsupported statements

I point out that FBI, DEA SS etc are under the CIVIL SERVICE job paradigm just like IRS revenue officers, IRS examiners, AUSAs, DOJ support staff, GSA building managers, etc

YOu merely assert cops are not civilians
 
Did the OP, or are we using the proper definition of assault rifle, or are we on about assault weapons. Regarding them, I could see owning an ar15. I know how to shoot it, it has light/cheap ammo, it's easy to clean and repair (I learned some of that too), it's accurate to way out even on the iron sights and the round will take stuff down. I think the tumble would mess a bear up pretty well. Other than that, people have many reasons that they want particular rifles. Why should I be forced to learn some other weapon, how to shoot, clean, maintain, etc just because it looks mean. Capacity? Nonsense. It's just a good rifle that I know how to use proper, and I don't see it so much as an 'assault weapon'. Really, taking the military design off the shelf is wasting civilian knowledge in regard to firearms and asking for a higher percentage of ignorant gun-owners.

Bolt action is not the best rifle for most people who have fired rifles before. Most people who have fired rifles, outside of hunting areas, did so in the military. Normal men and women who might want to hunt/defend/'play' with a rifle, millions. Let's take the rifle they know how to use off the market? It's tantamount to intentionally creating underskilled rifle users.

An ar15 is a rifle, not an Assault Something. Excuse me if I don't want the government to force me to use an antique should I want a rifle. Musket argument... done.
 
we ended that discussion a while ago.

now you want to come back to it.

play your game with someone else.

my irony meter is now permanently destroyed

nothing screams failure like that sort of nonsense
 
Did the OP, or are we using the proper definition of assault rifle, or are we on about assault weapons. Regarding them, I could see owning an ar15. I know how to shoot it, it has light/cheap ammo, it's easy to clean and repair (I learned some of that too), it's accurate to way out even on the iron sights and the round will take stuff down. I think the tumble would mess a bear up pretty well. Other than that, people have many reasons that they want particular rifles. Why should I be forced to learn some other weapon, how to shoot, clean, maintain, etc just because it looks mean. Capacity? Nonsense. It's just a good rifle that I know how to use proper, and I don't see it so much as an 'assault weapon'. Really, taking the military design off the shelf is wasting civilian knowledge in regard to firearms and asking for a higher percentage of ignorant gun-owners.

Bolt action is not the best rifle for most people who have fired rifles before. Most people who have fired rifles, outside of hunting areas, did so in the military. Normal men and women who might want to hunt/defend/'play' with a rifle, millions. Let's take the rifle they know how to use off the market? It's tantamount to intentionally creating underskilled rifle users.

An ar15 is a rifle, not an Assault Something. Excuse me if I don't want the government to force me to use an antique should I want a rifle. Musket argument... done.

the most popular "sporting rifles" are what the current generation used in the military. Example-during the 20's and thirties, most of the rifle shooting (Centerfire) were variants of the Springfield WWI rifle or the German Mauser 98

after WWII the 98 and the Springfield were still popular but millions of rounds were shot through the Garand and MI carbines that the Dept of CIVILIAN marksmanship sold to CIVILIANS at then discount prices (I have 5 Garands and 5 carbines from that source plus a few thousand rounds of 30-06 ball ammo)

now the AR 15 is incredibly popular with guys who were taught how to clean, repair and maintain the almost similar M16 rifle in Nam or later

Good point Eco
 
That is an outright lie. You said: "Generally, the police avoid this area for that week, as it is pretty much a KKK rally."

So first you like that it is a KKK rally, then you lie saying you never said that.

ok....I will admit to a poor choice of words...."Pretty Much", can be interpreted as "It Is" if one wants it to be. I said Pretty Much a KKK rally like I would say a football game is pretty much over.

Having been to this event, as well as a lising football game....I can state it IS pretty much infested with Racists types, Skinheads, and scary ass "Hey Y'all Watch This" malitia members wanting a chance to blow stuff up.
 
your evasion of any point that hurts your statist nonsense destroys any credibility you think you may have

and this thread is filled with obvious factual errors by the far left

here is something for you to chew on

Marine Corps Civilian Police Program

WASHINGTON — Despite the tough political climate for federal gun control legislation, a coalition of law enforcement groups on Thursday called for background checks on all gun buyers and a ban on high-capacity ammunition magazines after the Colorado shooting rampage.[/B]“After looking at what happened in Aurora, Colo., who could be in favor of these high-capacity magazines?” asked Hubert Williams, president of the Police Foundation and chairman of the National Law Enforcement Partnership to Prevent Gun Violence.They issued their plea as the House of Representatives condemned the mass shooting and expressed condolences to the families and friends of the 12 people killed and wishes for the recovery of the 58 injured. The Rev. Jesse Jackson, visiting Aurora on Thursday, called for renewal of the federal assault weapons ban that expired in 2004.

“We cannot be ... hiding behind the 2nd Amendment to justify weapons that the writers of the Constitution never imagined,” Jackson said in an interview. Asked about the resistance in Congress to gun control legislation, he cited the difficulty in passing civil rights legislation. “You have to be persistent. It was tough, but we were right,” he said.


Colorado shooting: Police groups call for tougher gun laws - latimes.com
 
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a couple points

civil rights are not dependent on what some LEOs want

if that were true there'd be no right to counsel, no Miranda

secondly most LEOs oppose this

in 1996 Janet Reno authorized a massive study of LEOs over the Brady bill and the clinton AWB. over 90% opposed both

Needless to say the study was 86'd and never made it to the media

any cop who doesn't want me owning a semi auto etc should not be issued one himself

and yes cops are civilians-that has been proven and they have no greater right to self defense than I do
 
National Law Enforcement Partnership to Prevent Gun Violence.

an anti gun group

what other LAW ENFORCEMENT GROUPS were cited

what idiocy
 
a couple points

civil rights are not dependent on what some LEOs want

if that were true there'd be no right to counsel, no Miranda

secondly most LEOs oppose this

in 1996 Janet Reno authorized a massive study of LEOs over the Brady bill and the clinton AWB. over 90% opposed both

Needless to say the study was 86'd and never made it to the media

any cop who doesn't want me owning a semi auto etc should not be issued one himself

and yes cops are civilians-that has been proven and they have no greater right to self defense than I do

Was that part of the same study that was supposed to start the FBI tracking whether guns used in crimes were purchased legally or illegally obtained, but was scrapped by the administration?
 
Was that part of the same study that was supposed to start the FBI tracking whether guns used in crimes were purchased legally or illegally obtained, but was scrapped by the administration?


not that I am aware of.

Clinton also engaged in the illegal "forward trace" where the ATF went to gun shops and traced all "assault weapons" just so they could say that those weapons were the most commonly "Traced" by the ATF
then the clinton toadies would tell the press that such weapons were "the most traced" as if that would imply criminal misuse


its like the Administration saying most of the guns in the Mexican drug wars are traced to the USA-that is because the ATF cannot trace those made in other countries that make up the majority of the cartels' weapons
 
The "assault rifle" with the high capacity magazines malfunctioned. He used his shotgun and handgun as efficiently as Cho at VaTech.

bureaucops whining about guns are pathetic. they are usually the desk bound clowns with their noses half way up the rears of anti gun mayors or council members
 
The "assault rifle" with the high capacity magazines malfunctioned. He used his shotgun and handgun as efficiently as Cho at VaTech.

In that scenario, any weapon would have been effective. It's like shooting fish in a barrel as they try to squeeze out of the hole.
 
So if a few dozen more get shot by a madman because he was able to buy a weapon with that capability it's OK because you want a "proper solution" to some supposed problem?
Is that what you would tell the family members of the deceased? That the murderer had a 100 shot magazine because you think you might need it someday and that's why they have the right to sell it to a maniac killer?
The Aurora shooter wanted bombs too but couldn't get them, can you imagine if grenades were also something you felt were a "proper solution"? How many people must die to satisfy your ego?

Fallacy: Appeal to emotion.

The Aurora shooter wanted bombs but couldn't buy them so he didn't have any. That is proof that restricting legal sales prevented him from killing more people. The same thing is true of the weapons he did buy. The AR-15 with a 100 shot mag enabled him to kill more people, like the bombs he wanted but couldn't get because they are not legally sold.
You are the one with a distorted view of reality.

The shooter MADE bombs, his apartment was rigged. If he wanted to make one to take to the theater he would have. The 100 round mag jammed on him. Because bigger mags do that. Had he brought 20 10 round mags and just reloaded, more people would have died as the chance of a jam would have been less. You really shouldn't talk about the distorted views of others when you are putting forth non-factual information.

ok....I will admit to a poor choice of words...."Pretty Much", can be interpreted as "It Is" if one wants it to be. I said Pretty Much a KKK rally like I would say a football game is pretty much over.

Having been to this event, as well as a lising football game....I can state it IS pretty much infested with Racists types, Skinheads, and scary ass "Hey Y'all Watch This" malitia members wanting a chance to blow stuff up.

I googled photos, looks like a lot of people. No doubt some extremists. But they are no more extremists to one side than you can find on the other side at an 'Occupy' event or any other numerous 'left wing' event.
 
that is based on the silly presumption that infringing on the rights of law abiding citizens will decrease crime

sadly for you there is no empirical evidence
supporting that faith based belief and without it freedom is the default position

they are important to me because in some situations they are the proper solution to a problem




All anyone has to do is look at the "enormous disparity in gun possession and homicide rates between the U.S. and other countries" to see that you are wrong:


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Aurora and the U.S. Obsession with Guns: Leadership Wanted to Fight Political Capture | Brookings Institution
 
Can you please tell us which weapons that police are allowed to have that a non-LEO civilian cannot legally possess?

Have you missed Turtledude repeatedly saying in this thread that he thinks that he should be able to have a 17 shot Glock that police have because he is thinks he has the same authorization to use one as do the the police?
 
There are many nations with far higher homicide rates than the US. SEVERAL TIMES higher. Start with Mexico, whose gun control laws are draconianly strict, whose homicide rate is over four times ours. There's Honduras with TWENTY times our rate!


It isn't about gun control when comparing nations; it is about culture, history, governmental corruption and ineffectiveness, poverty, and gangs/factionalism/drug trade.

This has been gone over before, and over and over and over until I get really tired of having to repeat the truth....

List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
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The Aurora shooter wanted bombs but couldn't buy them so he didn't have any. That is proof that restricting legal sales prevented him from killing more people. The same thing is true of the weapons he did buy. The AR-15 with a 100 shot mag enabled him to kill more people, like the bombs he wanted but couldn't get because they are not legally sold.
You are the one with a distorted view of reality.



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What's the closest major city to where you live? (Please don't say Philadelphia or Baltimore....)
I'll be more than happy to stay as far away as possible.

They are tucked away and are strictly for any potential "checks and balances" situation that may arise. Too many people have no idea that our current government seems to be positioning itself to become a domestic threat to US citizens.
 
There are many nations with far higher homicide rates than the US. SEVERAL TIMES higher. Start with Mexico, whose gun control laws are draconianly strict, whose homicide rate is over four times ours. There's Honduras with TWENTY times our rate!


It isn't about gun control when comparing nations; it is about culture, history, governmental corruption and ineffectiveness, poverty, and gangs/factionalism/drug trade.

This has been gone over before, and over and over and over until I get really tired of having to repeat the truth....

List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



Yeah if you compare the US with third world countries. If on the other hand you compare the US to other wealthy nations, we are at the top of the heap as the graph below shows.

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"the U.S. firearm homicide rate is about 20 times higher than in 22 other populous high-income countries combined, despite similar non-lethal crime and violence rates. Unsurprisingly then, they claim that in recent years, among 23 populous, high-income countries, 80 percent of all firearm deaths occurred in the United States. "

Aurora and the U.S. Obsession with Guns: Leadership Wanted to Fight Political Capture | Brookings Institution
 
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