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Why would you own an assault rifle?

Would you own an assault Rifle? Why?

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LaMidRighter said:
The Viet Cong killed many of our guys out there with traps made of wooden sticks and other non firearms related nastyness.
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we got even though

a popular trick was to take a 55 gallon oil can and stick 6 foot pieces of REBAR through it and put about a 100 pounds of concrete into this "morning star" like contraption. Fecal material was smeared on the rebar and the contraption was hoisted into the canopy with a trip wire holding it up. Even a scratch on "charlie" was likely to be fatal since Uncle Ho's boys didn't have much in the way of antibiotics.

and of course there was the lovely concoction known as FOOGAS. gasoline, motor oil and kerosene in said 55 gallon drums. thermite grenade on the front, dynamite stick on the back-the detonation timing was set that the thermite would ignite just before the dynamite blew the stuff down range. One shot flamethrower-usually set at the corners of the wire fences around an A camp.

crispy critters all around
 
Would you choose 5.56mm or 7.62mm?

Each has a trade-off, but I would like to hear your reasons for your choice.

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I would choose 5.56mm only because this is the round my issued service weapon fires. I would like my practice to be as close to the real thing as possible.

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Also, does anyone here practice 'reduced visibility' or night-fire? Off-hand shooting? Unusually firing positions or other drills? I would love to hear about what you do, pictures are appreciated, too.
 
Jerry said:
Would you choose 5.56mm or 7.62mm?

Each has a trade-off, but I would like to hear your reasons for your choice.

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I would choose 5.56mm only because this is the round my issued service weapon fires. I would like my practice to be as close to the real thing as possible.

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Also, does anyone here practice 'reduced visibility' or night-fire? Off-hand shooting? Unusually firing positions or other drills? I would love to hear about what you do, pictures are appreciated, too.
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If I had to have an assault rifle, I'd want something chambered in 7.62x51 NATO. None of that x39 crap. I prefer a bolt-action, but should we ever be invaded and occupied, something like an FAL or a HK G3 would be more practical than my Remington.

I've done all that stuff. The worst was firing while in MOPP gear. They had us doing that **** in the middle of summer in Korea. After the first 30 minutes, I couldn't see **** because the lenses were covered in condensation, and the claustrophobia had reached its peak.
 
Surtr said:
If I had to have an assault rifle, I'd want something chambered in 7.62x51 NATO. None of that x39 crap. I prefer a bolt-action, but should we ever be invaded and occupied, something like an FAL or a HK G3 would be more practical than my Remington.

I've done all that stuff. The worst was firing while in MOPP gear. They had us doing that **** in the middle of summer in Korea. After the first 30 minutes, I couldn't see **** because the lenses were covered in condensation, and the claustrophobia had reached its peak.
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Part of our qualification test is in MOPP gear. I don't know if this was the case when you were in, and it wasn't while I was in BCT. A lot of folks shoot better while wearing the mask because it forces the shooter to control their breathing.
 
Jerry said:
Part of our qualification test is in MOPP gear. I don't know if this was the case when you were in, and it wasn't while I was in BCT. A lot of folks shoot better while wearing the mask because it forces the shooter to control their breathing.
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We had to run up a steep hill in full MOPP gear before being shoved into a lane for reflexive fire, every time we did reflexive fire. I can't shoot worth a damn in the chem gear. I don't know why, but it flips my freak-out switch.
 
Surtr said:
We had to run up a steep hill in full MOPP gear before being shoved into a lane for reflexive fire, every time we did reflexive fire. I can't shoot worth a damn in the chem gear. I don't know why, but it flips my freak-out switch.
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I can't shoot for crap in MOPP gear either. maybe because I am left handed and everything is set up for righties. I wish I had a dollar for every time I had to fish a piece of hot brass out of my shirt
 
OscarB63 said:
I can't shoot for crap in MOPP gear either. maybe because I am left handed and everything is set up for righties. I wish I had a dollar for every time I had to fish a piece of hot brass out of my shirt
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I can imagine. They had us to shoot non dominant handed in BCT for some reason. I failed that portion miserably, and I kept getting hit in the face with gas and brass. Lefties have it rough when it comes to weapons.
 
Surtr said:
I can imagine. They had us to shoot non dominant handed in BCT for some reason. I failed that portion miserably, and I kept getting hit in the face with gas and brass. Lefties have it rough when it comes to weapons.
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the good news is that there are civilian available AR 15's that are set up for lefties

STAG and ROCK RIVER ARMS make really good ones
 
87 Gun Deaths a Day: Why the Colorado Shooting is Tragically Unsurprising

"The Colorado shooting was horrifying. But the real tragedy is how unsurprising it is. James Warren on America’s grim gun-death toll—and why we can’t seem to fix it. Plus, view an interactive map of the U.S. shooting epidemic."

"The nation averages 87 gun deaths each day as a function of gun violence, with an average of 183 injured, according to the University of Chicago Crime Lab and the Centers for Disease Control. The crime lab’s research estimates the annual cost of gun violence to society at $100 billion."


87 Gun Deaths a Day: Why the Colorado Shooting is Tragically Unsurprising - The Daily Beast

"Friday's horrific shooting in Aurora, Colo.—one of the deadliest in U.S. history—has reignited the debate over gun control in America. Just how bad is the problem? Through media reports, the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, a nonprofit lobbying group, has compiled a list of 431 shootings with more than one victim since 2005. On average, according to the organization, a multiple-victim shooting happens every 5.9 days in the United States. The deadliest city in this period, according to the data, is Chicago, with 17 shootings since 2005—totaling 72 people wounded and 30 deaths. Thirteen of those shootings were in a public place. New Orleans, Kansas City, and Philadelphia were tied for second bloodiest, with nine shootings in this seven-year period."


Interactive Map: The U.S. Shooting Epidemic - The Daily Beast
 
Catawba said:
87 Gun Deaths a Day: Why the Colorado Shooting is Tragically Unsurprising

"The Colorado shooting was horrifying. But the real tragedy is how unsurprising it is. James Warren on America’s grim gun-death toll—and why we can’t seem to fix it. Plus, view an interactive map of the U.S. shooting epidemic."

"The nation averages 87 gun deaths each day as a function of gun violence, with an average of 183 injured, according to the University of Chicago Crime Lab and the Centers for Disease Control. The crime lab’s research estimates the annual cost of gun violence to society at $100 billion."


87 Gun Deaths a Day: Why the Colorado Shooting is Tragically Unsurprising - The Daily Beast

"Friday's horrific shooting in Aurora, Colo.—one of the deadliest in U.S. history—has reignited the debate over gun control in America. Just how bad is the problem? Through media reports, the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, a nonprofit lobbying group, has compiled a list of 431 shootings with more than one victim since 2005. On average, according to the organization, a multiple-victim shooting happens every 5.9 days in the United States. The deadliest city in this period, according to the data, is Chicago, with 17 shootings since 2005—totaling 72 people wounded and 30 deaths. Thirteen of those shootings were in a public place. New Orleans, Kansas City, and Philadelphia were tied for second bloodiest, with nine shootings in this seven-year period."


Interactive Map: The U.S. Shooting Epidemic - The Daily Beast
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most of those gun deaths are suicides and law enforcement cannot prevent =through punishment-a crime that always means the perpetrator is dead. The bottom line is that the gun haters want to disarm honest people by ranting about stuff involving people who are criminals.

The Brady bunch is a joke and they have proven their goal is to harass honest gun owners.
 
TurtleDude said:
most of those gun deaths are suicides and law enforcement cannot prevent =through punishment-a crime that always means the perpetrator is dead. The bottom line is that the gun haters want to disarm honest people by ranting about stuff involving people who are criminals.
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Or, don't sell guns to crazy people and criminals.

The Brady bunch is a joke and they have proven their goal is to harass honest gun owners.
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LOL! This from the person that thinks our forefathers that supported SS and Medicare were socialists.................
 
Catawba said:
87 Gun Deaths a Day: Why the Colorado Shooting is Tragically Unsurprising

"The Colorado shooting was horrifying. But the real tragedy is how unsurprising it is. James Warren on America’s grim gun-death toll—and why we can’t seem to fix it. Plus, view an interactive map of the U.S. shooting epidemic."

"The nation averages 87 gun deaths each day as a function of gun violence, with an average of 183 injured, according to the University of Chicago Crime Lab and the Centers for Disease Control. The crime lab’s research estimates the annual cost of gun violence to society at $100 billion."


87 Gun Deaths a Day: Why the Colorado Shooting is Tragically Unsurprising - The Daily Beast

"Friday's horrific shooting in Aurora, Colo.—one of the deadliest in U.S. history—has reignited the debate over gun control in America. Just how bad is the problem? Through media reports, the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence, a nonprofit lobbying group, has compiled a list of 431 shootings with more than one victim since 2005. On average, according to the organization, a multiple-victim shooting happens every 5.9 days in the United States. The deadliest city in this period, according to the data, is Chicago, with 17 shootings since 2005—totaling 72 people wounded and 30 deaths. Thirteen of those shootings were in a public place. New Orleans, Kansas City, and Philadelphia were tied for second bloodiest, with nine shootings in this seven-year period."


Interactive Map: The U.S. Shooting Epidemic - The Daily Beast
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I see you chose not to answer the murder question I posed. So we've gone from "intentional homicides" which by the way is an act and not a criminal charge to OMG 87 gun deaths a day which is a disingenous generality. So I will ask again. How many MURDERS are committed with guns. Inentional homicide can be a defensive shooting which is not a crime, a heat of passion kill which is defensible in most courts, it could be a suicide, murder, manslaughter.

You need to bring specific, hard, CRIMINAL data before going off on the tool. It isn't the gun, it is the user that is a problem.
 
Catawba said:
Or, don't sell guns to crazy people and criminals.



LOL! This from the person that thinks our forefathers that supported SS and Medicare were socialists.................
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you lay a turd of a post and that is the best you can do. FDR had many socialist cravings. and I love how forefather starts with the New Deal for you. Its illegal for crazy people as determined by the courts to possess weapons, same with criminals

you want laws that hassle people like me because I don't buy into your aging peacenik pillow headed utopian welfare psychobabble
 
LaMidRighter said:
I see you chose not to answer the murder question I posed. So we've gone from "intentional homicides" which by the way is an act and not a criminal charge to OMG 87 gun deaths a day which is a disingenous generality. So I will ask again. How many MURDERS are committed with guns. Inentional homicide can be a defensive shooting which is not a crime, a heat of passion kill which is defensible in most courts, it could be a suicide, murder, manslaughter.

You need to bring specific, hard, CRIMINAL data before going off on the tool. It isn't the gun, it is the user that is a problem.
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the hysterical hoplophobes cannot deal with the fact that as gun ownership increases in the USA violent crime goes down

the gun haters cannot handle the fact that when the clinton gun ban evaporated, all their predictions about mass blood shed failed to materialize
 
LaMidRighter said:
It isn't the gun, it is the user that is a problem.
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Exactly why we shouldn't sell guns to criminals and the insane. As documented, we have the highest rate of intentional homicides committed by firearms of all the wealthy populous nations!

What is your case for selling guns to criminals and the insane?
 
TurtleDude said:
you lay a turd of a post and that is the best you can do. FDR had many socialist cravings. and I love how forefather starts with the New Deal for you. Its illegal for crazy people as determined by the courts to possess weapons, same with criminals

you want laws that hassle people like me because I don't buy into your aging peacenik pillow headed utopian welfare psychobabble
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Criminals and the insane are buying guns to do their killing, how do you suggest we restrict their ability to buy them? That is the question.
 
Catawba said:
Exactly why we shouldn't sell guns to criminals and the insane.
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Already illegal, so why harp on it?
As documented, we have the highest rate of intentional homicides committed by firearms of all the wealthy populous nations!
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Homicide isn't criminal. Murder, manslaughter and suicide are, so stop dodging and answer the question. What are the criminal usage rates, I don't give two ****s about "intentional homicide" if it was a suicide or defensive shooting, I also don't care about negligible discharges resulting in the owner shooting himself, I want YOU to answer for the criminal statistices ONLY with actual numbers or drop the issue.
What is your case for selling guns to criminals and the insane?
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Great strawman! I've never said they should be sold to.
 
LaMidRighter said:
Already illegal, so why harp on it?
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Because the means to prevent criminals and the insane from legally buying guns is obviously not working.


Homicide isn't criminal.
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Homicide is killing another human. The statistics show that more humans are killed intentionally with firearms in the US than in any other wealthy nation.


I've never said they should be sold to.
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Then you don't oppose laws to reduce the number of criminals and the insane purchasing guns.
 
Catawba said:
Because the means to prevent criminals and the insane from legally buying guns is obviously not working.
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That is ultimately the fault of those not enforcing it, adding more control never does anything.




Homicide is killing another human. The statistics show that more humans are killed intentionally with firearms in the US than in any other wealthy nation.
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And this is a bull**** answer. I gave you a specific question for a specific reason. Homicide is not a crime nor is it always unjustified, I asked you for criminal activity. Is there a specific reason you are trying to dodge? I know the numbers already BTW and if you post them it weakens your argument.



Then you don't oppose laws to reduce the number of criminals and the insane purchasing guns.
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No, but those laws must pass necessary and proper AND they must not be overly broad, they cannot harass people without a compelling reason. Current law is a little overbroad but then again it isn't written by people who actually know anything about the issue.
 
friday said:
Recently, A Democrat senator suggested that he has no idea why anyone would need to have an assault rifle. His ignorance is the premise of his decision to limit the 2nd amendment. To me the answer is pretty easy.

I would own an assault reason for the exact same reason I would own a superfast sports car that is built to exceed legal speed limits. So that if the Chinese drilling off our coast where we are not allowed to ever decided to sneak soldiers and nukes into the gulf instead of oil rig workers and equipment and invaded Florida blitzkrieg style, I'd have a chance of getting out alive.

Seriously though, would you own an assault rifle? And if so, why?
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Yup. I don't have one, but if I saw a needed or a desire to, I would want to be able to purchase one.
 
LaMidRighter said:
That is ultimately the fault of those not enforcing it, adding more control never does anything.
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What do you think could be done to enforce the prevention of criminals and the insane from legally being able to buy guns?




And this is a bull**** answer. I gave you a specific question for a specific reason. Homicide is not a crime nor is it always unjustified, I asked you for criminal activity. Is there a specific reason you are trying to dodge? I know the numbers already BTW and if you post them it weakens your argument.
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The fact remains, no matter how you try to spin it, that the US kills more humans intentionally with firearms than any other wealthy populous nation.



No, but those laws must pass necessary and proper AND they must not be overly broad, they cannot harass people without a compelling reason. Current law is a little overbroad but then again it isn't written by people who actually know anything about the issue.
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What threat to responsible gun owners are more stringent background checks to help prevent criminals and the insane from purchasing guns?
 
Catawba said:
Criminals and the insane are buying guns to do their killing, how do you suggest we restrict their ability to buy them? That is the question.
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people buy dope all the time too so complete bans don't work

The best we can do is to get rid of victim disarmament zones
 
Catawba said:
What do you think could be done to enforce the prevention of criminals and the insane from legally being able to buy guns?






The fact remains, no matter how you try to spin it, that the US kills more humans intentionally with firearms than any other wealthy populous nation.





What threat to responsible gun owners are more stringent background checks to help prevent criminals and the insane from purchasing guns?
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and what you ignore is that other nations ban guns and restrict sales and yet see their rates of violence with guns increase while we liberalize carry laws and get rid of idiotic bans on guns in some high density population areas and CRIME GOES DOWN


so you can whine and rant about gun violence but we know one thing

leftwing laws don't help

they make things WORSE
 
TurtleDude said:
and what you ignore is that other nations ban guns and restrict sales and yet see their rates of violence with guns increase while we liberalize carry laws and get rid of idiotic bans on guns in some high density population areas and CRIME GOES DOWN


so you can whine and rant about gun violence but we know one thing

leftwing laws don't help

they make things WORSE
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We were 12th overall in national gun deaths, but the ironic thing is that the other 11 have oppressive gun control legislation. We were behind just to name a few, Mexico, Brazil, and South Africa, all of which have some of the most draconian gun law on the globe. That was total criminal, defensive, and accidental and most of which in the U.S. indeed were suicides.

As well if we took out criminal on criminal violence and put into it's own catagory those numbers would change dramatically. Plus it's interesting that anti-gunners only want to include "gun deaths" when comparing against international statistics, especially when overall murder rates are not favorable to many heavy ban countries.
 
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