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Obama Tax supporters=what is more important to you

Obama Tax Supporters=What is more Important to You

  • Saving the tax cuts for yourself (and the rich)

    Votes: 1 9.1%

  • Sticking it to the rich with a tax hike for everyone

    Votes: 10 90.9%
  • Total voters
    11
Boo Radley said:
In pretend partisan world. The fact is, you can't cut enough to erase the debt. Nor can you tax enough. It will require that we both cut taxes and cut spending. Or have a republicna win and the aprtisan's will forget about the debt again. :coffeepap
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the only way to ultimately get rid of the deficit is to make more government sickening to most of the voters

and only taxing the rich more won't do that

and what you dems want to do is only tax the rich
 
Boo Radley said:
In pretend partisan world. The fact is, you can't cut enough to erase the debt. Nor can you tax enough. It will require that we both cut taxes and cut spending. Or have a republicna win and the aprtisan's will forget about the debt again. :coffeepap
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You are exactly right, that's been the only approach that has resulted in a budget surplus in the last 30 years.
 
Catawba said:
You are exactly right, that's been the only approach that has resulted in a budget surplus in the last 30 years.
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the dot com boom
 
TurtleDude said:
the only way to ultimately get rid of the deficit is to make more government sickening to most of the voters

and only taxing the rich more won't do that

and what you dems want to do is only tax the rich
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Are you taking to me or dems? As for me, allow me to repeat, you need to cut spending and raise taxes. What part are you unclear about here?
 
Catawba said:
LOL! They put it in writing. How many Republicans put in writing that they supported the public option that a majority of voters wanted?
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Big deal..."They put it in writing". Since when did THAT mean anything?

Heck, twice, now, Democrats said they would cut spending if taxes are raised...guess what happened.

Politicians build their careers on political posturing. This public option support is just another example.
 
OhIsee.Then said:
Democrats "only want to blame Republicans"; I take that as the objective because it is stated as such by many sources besides you. When I watch FOX News or listen to Rush I recall hearing is blaming, more blaming, then finishing with blaming. I listen and find that content is not necessary and this is because things are so simple to understand. The reason that I don't understand the Republican POV is an engineer like me sees a bunch of interdependencies in our economy that most don't want to work on or admit exist. The complexity is there. It was not created by any party. Sorry, the system even has various time delays in the feedback paths besides complex inputs. And your understanding is "They only want to blame Republicans."
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Obama based his first Presidential campaign on blaming Republicans. He, Pelosi, Reid and a whole slew of Democrats have spent the last four years blaming Republicans. They all, including Obama in his current campaign, base their rhetoric on blaming Republicans. To my knowledge, they haven't spoken of complexity or interdependencies one bit. Heck, they won't even own up to the results of what they forced upon the American People...they only "blame Republicans".
 
Boo Radley said:
In pretend partisan world. The fact is, you can't cut enough to erase the debt. Nor can you tax enough. It will require that we both cut taxes and cut spending. Or have a republicna win and the aprtisan's will forget about the debt again. :coffeepap
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Ummm...

Is that a typo? Or are you that rare liberal who really wants to cut taxes?
 
Boo Radley said:
While a clear minority, I think some do. It keeps them provided with evidence.
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I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on the best way to deal with government spending, but I am interested in your notion that some Republicans want our government to fail. Could you give me examples? Name names of those whom you think want this to happen?
 
Boo Radley said:
Are you taking to me or dems? As for me, allow me to repeat, you need to cut spending and raise taxes. What part are you unclear about here?
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While I agree that, ultimately, you are correct here...I just don't trust the Democrats any time they propose doing both at the same time. Twice, they have made the promise of cutting spending if taxes are raised. Twice, taxes went up and spending never got cut. I'm sorry, but getting burned three times is unacceptable.

Show me the cuts...THEN we can talk about taxes.
 
TurtleDude said:
still wanting others to pay for your existence?

i want everyone to try to become the top 1 percent

you want everyone to give up and quit
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I'm not a top 1 % member, but now I'm looking out over my back yard with it's fountain and view of the creek, with my fishing boat and dock, and my neighbors across the water. We bought 2 other homes, cash, recently as they were on sale. The government abused me in '68 by drafting me, but I didn't give up. (Talk about a stupid war!) I advised others not to give up many times. Now, a short distance from me, overlooking the same river I'm looking at now is the HQ of a large corporation. One of its founders also has a 'house' on this river about a mile from HQ's. My understanding, from reporters research several years ago, is that the founders sold the rights to its logos to themselves and one other Cayman Islander cheap. Now they are renting it back at high prices. Is this the top 1 percent that you want everyone to become? How close are you TurtleDude?
 
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My wife just told me that her theory on people that take the viewpoint of TurtleDude are thinking that they want to be set up for winning the lottery so they won't have to pay so much in taxes. Is she correct?
 
OhIsee.Then said:
My wife just told me that her theory on people that take the viewpoint of TurtleDude are thinking that they want to be set up for winning the lottery so they won't have to pay so much in taxes. Is she correct?
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your wife has no clue apparently

try a new argument.

Those who want the rich to pay more and more generally have conceded they will never be successful and they don't want others to make it either
 
Mycroft said:
Ummm...

Is that a typo? Or are you that rare liberal who really wants to cut taxes?
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It's a typo. We have to cut spending and raise taxes both. I pay taxes and I have no problem seeing my rate upped a little. I won't even notice it.
 
Mycroft said:
While I agree that, ultimately, you are correct here...I just don't trust the Democrats any time they propose doing both at the same time. Twice, they have made the promise of cutting spending if taxes are raised. Twice, taxes went up and spending never got cut. I'm sorry, but getting burned three times is unacceptable.

Show me the cuts...THEN we can talk about taxes.
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Key word, promise. I saw make it law. not promise, but specific cuts mandated by law.
 
Mycroft said:
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on the best way to deal with government spending, but I am interested in your notion that some Republicans want our government to fail. Could you give me examples? Name names of those whom you think want this to happen?
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There's a book on it somewhere, but it only had me thinking of it and not what convinced me. Things liek this did:

And so, when a Democratic president, who cares about discretionary spending, and who knows it's not a significant source of red ink, offers a massive $1 trillion cut to that spending, that is a real compromise. When President Obama also offers $650 billion in entitlement cuts over 10 years -- cuts that would hurt his party's constituents and anger his strongest supporters, that is a real compromise. When the White House offers hundreds of billions less in new revenue than any of the three (rather center-right) bipartisan budget proposals on the table -- indeed, offers almost $4 in spending cuts for every $1 in new revenue -- that is a real compromise.

Washington Isn't Broken, the Republican Party Is - Brian Goldsmith - The Atlantic


It's not the first time real compromised came before them, but they simply didn't act.
 
Mycroft said:
Big deal..."They put it in writing". Since when did THAT mean anything?

Heck, twice, now, Democrats said they would cut spending if taxes are raised...guess what happened.

Politicians build their careers on political posturing. This public option support is just another example.
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What has the GOP put in writing they would do to cut health care costs for citizens?
 
TurtleDude said:
the only way to ultimately get rid of the deficit is to make more government sickening to most of the voters

and only taxing the rich more won't do that

and what you dems want to do is only tax the rich
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So where is your specific program to

1- balance the current federal budget without putting the nation into a depression by slamming on the brakes too hard and too fast
2- paying off the massive $15 trillion deficit

??????????????

And stow the nonsense about the damn Constitution since you have no power to change those decisions. Tell us what is practical in todays world - not pre 1933 Fantasy Land.

I and other dems here have said we want to raise taxes on all folks. So why do you keep lying about this? I know - silly question. :roll:
 
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Boo Radley said:
There's a book on it somewhere, but it only had me thinking of it and not what convinced me. Things liek this did:

And so, when a Democratic president, who cares about discretionary spending, and who knows it's not a significant source of red ink, offers a massive $1 trillion cut to that spending, that is a real compromise. When President Obama also offers $650 billion in entitlement cuts over 10 years -- cuts that would hurt his party's constituents and anger his strongest supporters, that is a real compromise. When the White House offers hundreds of billions less in new revenue than any of the three (rather center-right) bipartisan budget proposals on the table -- indeed, offers almost $4 in spending cuts for every $1 in new revenue -- that is a real compromise.

Washington Isn't Broken, the Republican Party Is - Brian Goldsmith - The Atlantic


It's not the first time real compromised came before them, but they simply didn't act.
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If I remember correctly, the Democrats have helped considerably to put the kibosh on Obama's proposed budgets.

But, okay, I accept that you don't have any concrete information to support your belief that some number of Republicans want to see our country's government fail.

Moving on...
 
Catawba said:
What has the GOP put in writing they would do to cut health care costs for citizens?
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Besides concrete steps proposed that can be seen on the various GOP websites? Nowhere, I guess.
 
Catawba said:
What has the GOP proposed in writing to deal with these issues?
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The same as the demorats, so far. If you have ZERO chance of getting a bill passed then why even write one? Much the same as neither party will dare propose any REAL (specific) spending cuts, yet both TALK of them constantly, but only in terms of LATER, right after the economy (strangled by massive gov't debt and the impending taxation/labor costs increases) magically begins to grow. We now "pay for" things by borrowing and spending NOW and promising to cut 10th of that amount (from somewhere never specified) over the next ten years. Yes they can!
 
ttwtt78640 said:
The same as the demorats, so far.
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Wrong, 51 Democrats put in writing that they favor the Public Option for health care when the GOP blocked it in the Senate.
 
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