Should Constitutional rights extend to non-citizens?

sangha said:

The same way we do it for any form of criminality (Hint: It's called "probable cause")

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And to some cops, looking like a "spick" is enough probable cause for them to self-justify a search. You can't tell me that's enough.

The same thing happens when any mistake about a criminal occurs

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Mistake about a criminal? Why is the person automatically a criminal? Because some overzealous cop said so?

Lokiate said:

And to some cops, looking like a "spick" is enough probable cause for them to self-justify a search. You can't tell me that's enough.

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No, its not enough. I'm not sure if you've assumed that I think it would.

Mistake about a criminal? Why is the person automatically a criminal? Because some overzealous cop said so?

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Umm, I was responding to a question that asked about what happens when the law makes a mistake about a criminal, so of course my response refers to criminals (though it's possible that I misunderstood the question)

sangha said:

No, its not enough. I'm not sure if you've assumed that I think it would.

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It's certainly enough for some cops. Then guess who has to pay the settlement to the person who was wronged? It's not the cop, I can tell you that.

Umm, I was responding to a question that asked about what happens when the law makes a mistake about a criminal, so of course my response refers to criminals (though it's possible that I misunderstood the question)

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I didn't use the word criminal once in that post. I said what happens when a cop makes a mistake.

Foreign nationals do not have US Constitutional rights, whether they are on US soil or not, whether the Supreme Court says so or not, whether talking heads say so or not, whether politicians say so or not. The United States is run by enemies of mankind, hostis humani generis, it doesn't matter what the elite say.

Lokiate said:

So, how do you find out without violating their rights in the first place? And what happens when the inevitable mistake is made? "Oops, my bad" doesn't cover it, and it ends up being the taxpayers who foot the bill for such mistakes.

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You make sure that anyone who gets a job, accesses government services, or buys property, shows proof of legal residence.

Dittohead not! said:

You make sure that anyone who gets a job, accesses government services, or buys property, shows proof of legal residence.

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Pretty sure those are already requirements, yet the issue remains.

Lokiate said:

Pretty sure those are already requirements, yet the issue remains.

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I'm equally sure that they are not. The schools, for example, are not even allowed to ask about legal status. Employers are not supposed to hire illegals, but the law is winked at and not enforced.

The constitution is not the document to look to with regard to treatment of non-citizens. The US Code specifically addresses alien status in every capacity. The constitution is a framework for government and its application applies to the citizens and more importantly the governing of the country. There are OBVIOUS restrictions on its application which are addressed by the US Code.

What IS rather comical is the people that want to have it both and all ways. Recently there were two cases which were discussed in this thread of citizens of foreign countries, here illegally since early childhood, that committed rapes and murders. Their excuses for avoiding the ultimate sentence for their crimes? They werent US citizens.

It seems obvious to me that all of the rights enumerated in the Bill of Rights, are intended to be affirmed therein as basic human rights to which all free people are entitled, regardless of nationality or residence; and that as a nation, we are obligate to uphold and protect these rights for all people under our own jurisdiction, regardless of whether they are citizens of this nation; and to condemn as tyrannical any nation that fails to uphold these rights for those under their jurisdictions.

Voting is something else. Certainly, the citizens of any nation have an exclusive right to to have a say in how that nation is to be run. This right does not and should not extend to noncitizens.