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Is paying your taxes Patriotic? [W:102]

Is paying your taxes patriotic?

  • Yes, it is our duty as citizens to pay into the system that we have reaped the benefits from.

    Votes: 38 77.6%

  • No, if you can get away with it, why not.

    Votes: 5 10.2%

  • Who cares!

    Votes: 6 12.2%
  • Total voters
    49
When Thomas Jefferson wrote The Declaration of Independence to The Crown, I have long believed that our current Government is The Crown that our forefather's declared independence from.

I hope the Government and Financial System fails.
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

haymarket said:
Because you have utterly FAILED to document what you claim in this discussion. The idea that "I told you a year ago all about it" is simply absurd on its face.
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refusing to read what was given to you and then pretending it never existed is a failure



but not on my part.
 
sookster said:
When Thomas Jefferson wrote The Declaration of Independence to The Crown, I have long believed that our current Government is The Crown that our forefather's declared independence from.

I hope the Government and Financial System fails.
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Chaos on small scale is beauty; chaos on large scale is, well, chaos
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

haymarket said:
The American university system has functioned for a very long period of time turning out highly educated people who supply American and the world with professionals who continue the work necessary for us to function and advance as a people. If that has not earned your respect, so be it.
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it also turns out lots of people who think that merely holding a degree entitles them to wealth and power and when they find out how the real world works, they become rather bitter and they then often turn to the government to make amends for the rude surprise the job world has dealt them
 
TheLastIndependent said:
Chaos on small scale is beauty; chaos on large scale is, well, chaos
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true-think of a mosh pit at a Dead Kennedys concert vs the race riots after the cops in the Rodney King beatdown were acquitted of state charges
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

TurtleDude said:
refusing to read what was given to you and then pretending it never existed is a failure



but not on my part.
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Again, you prove impotent to back up your claims. No surprise there. You never presented what you claim you presented in the first place. Be it a year ago, a month ago, a week ago or today. But go ahead and prove me wrong by showing us all this tremendous factual evidence you have. We would love to see it.
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

TurtleDude said:
it also turns out lots of people who think that merely holding a degree entitles them to wealth and power and when they find out how the real world works, they become rather bitter and they then often turn to the government to make amends for the rude surprise the job world has dealt them
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Who would that be? YOu must be talking about some foreign culture because America sounds nothing like what you are fantasizing about.
 
TurtleDude said:
true-think of a mosh pit at a Dead Kennedys concert vs the race riots after the cops in the Rodney King beatdown were acquitted of state charges
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I was thinking more along the lines of a thunderstorm versus hurricane but that works too
 
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Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

haymarket said:
Again, you prove impotent to back up your claims. No surprise there. You never presented what you claim you presented in the first place. Be it a year ago, a month ago, a week ago or today. But go ahead and prove me wrong by showing us all this tremendous factual evidence you have. We would love to see it.
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You refused the information when it was given to you. But it is commonly known that people who end up studying primary and secondary school teaching in the universities are the bottom of the barrel in terms of freshman scores and GPAs
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

haymarket said:
Who would that be? YOu must be talking about some foreign culture because America sounds nothing like what you are fantasizing about.
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If one hangs out with a bunch of people who have teaching degrees and think that they are worth more than some Forbes 500 executive, I can see how you wouldn't notice the reality
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

TurtleDude said:
You refused the information when it was given to you. But it is commonly known that people who end up studying primary and secondary school teaching in the universities are the bottom of the barrel in terms of freshman scores and GPAs
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You never provided the information that you now claim you did.

But go ahead and prove me wrong by linking to it.
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

haymarket said:
You never provided the information that you now claim you did.

But go ahead and prove me wrong by linking to it.
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I really have better things to do. Enough people saw them to know it was there. maybe if the rerun of BONES is boring I will find it for you to ignore again. Its well known though.
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

TurtleDude said:
If one hangs out with a bunch of people who have teaching degrees and think that they are worth more than some Forbes 500 executive, I can see how you wouldn't notice the reality
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Q: What does that have to do with your previous pontification?



it also turns out lots of people who think that merely holding a degree entitles them to wealth and power and when they find out how the real world works, they become rather bitter and they then often turn to the government to make amends for the rude surprise the job world has dealt them
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A: Nothing at all.
 
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Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

TurtleDude said:
I really have better things to do. Enough people saw them to know it was there. maybe if the rerun of BONES is boring I will find it for you to ignore again. Its well known though.
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You have better things to do than engage in debate on a site dedicated to DEBATE? YOu are still posting and you are still impotent to back up your claims. It should be easy for you.

DO IT.
 
TurtleDude said:
Oh Look here is something from the Washington Monthly--apparently grade inflation is high in the education departments


The Grades of Future Teachers by Daniel Luzer | Washington Monthly

This is despite the fact that education majors have the lowest high school grades and standardized test scores of all college students.
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Your own article states this

Well, guess which students earn the highest grades? It’s future teachers. According to a new study by Cory Koedel published by the American Enterprise Institute:

Students who take education classes at universities receive significantly higher grades than students who take classes in every other academic discipline.
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So ed students excel and work hard to achieve in college. And that is a minus in your book!?!?!?!?!?!?

I thought you were all about achievement?


And that comes from a far right group to boot.
 
haymarket said:
Your own article states this



So ed students excel and work hard to achieve in college. And that is a minus in your book!?!?!?!?!?!?

I thought you were all about achievement?


And that comes from a far right group to boot.
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well that is an admirable attempt at turning a lemon into lemonade but if you actually read the article it states

(EXACTLY WHAT I CLAIMED) those who go into the teaching major have the lowest scores and grades of all entering college students

GRADE INFLATION IS MORE RAMPANT IN THE TEACHING DEPARTMENT

he notes that the average GPA in education departments is a 3.8/

at Cornell Engineering a 2.0 is an average grade. 3.0 gets you in the Honor society.
3.5 and you are top of the food chain
 
I answered 'no'.

I work hard for my money. I don't want anything from the government.

Before you say "what about firefighters?", I want to privatize fire departments.
 
What benefits? In the case of Romney I agree completely that he's unpatriotic. I understand the argument that the government wouldn't put the $ to use for crap, but the fact remains he's benefit enormously from living here, living under almost no regulations. If you're treated as a 2nd class citizen, however, then no, I would find ways around paying taxes as he has done. A government that can't ensure equal rights for all will never be collecting revenue from me.
 
I'm not really sure why being forced to lower the lifestyle I can provide for my children in order to support a host of things that I vehemently disagree with is something that should inspire particularly proud feelings.

Paying what taxes you owe is the right thing to do, however, taking efforts to reduce that is hardly unpatriotic. The President is no less American or a Patriot because he takes advantage of the tax code to minimize what he sends the IRS.
 
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well that is an admirable attempt at turning a lemon into lemonade but if you actually read the article it states

(EXACTLY WHAT I CLAIMED) those who go into the teaching major have the lowest scores and grades of all entering college students
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So what? We are talking about how people do in college. Not high school which is filled with immature teens with all sorts of problems and difficulties which often overwhelm their lives and often fail to produce an accurate picture of their intelligence or abilities.

GRADE INFLATION IS MORE RAMPANT IN THE TEACHING DEPARTMENT

he notes that the average GPA in education departments is a 3.8/
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Nothing in that offers any proof that those grades are not deserved.

at Cornell Engineering a 2.0 is an average grade. 3.0 gets you in the Honor society.
3.5 and you are top of the food chain
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That may be an indictment of Cornell Engineering and has nothing to do with colleges of education or how students seems to excel.

As to your Chicago article - many teachers - especially secondary teachers - are specialists of sorts. One can have tremendous intelligence and abilities in certain subjects while being outright bad in others on those tests. A person can be a genius in social studies content while having the inability to do anything beyond the four basic mathematical computations. Standard tests like the ones in that article fail to take that into account and are thus highly suspicious as any true measurement of the intelligence and ability of a teacher in their field.
 
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