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Is paying your taxes Patriotic? [W:102]

Is paying your taxes patriotic?

  • Yes, it is our duty as citizens to pay into the system that we have reaped the benefits from.

    Votes: 38 77.6%
  • No, if you can get away with it, why not.

    Votes: 5 10.2%
  • Who cares!

    Votes: 6 12.2%

  • Total voters
    49
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

Romney does not have tax havens in foreign banks. He has foreign INVESTMENTS which he still pays US taxes on.

Paying our taxes isn't patriotic, it's something you have to do or you will be punished. Not going around raping people isn't patriotic, it's common sense. If you rape someone, you'll go to jail. If you decide to not pay your taxes, you go to jail. Common sense =/= patriotism.
 
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Let's cease the personal attacks shall we.
 
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If he has to pay all those taxes which is due he rather renounce his U.S. citizenship and become a Singapore citizen.
 
I think this question needs to be asked based on the arguments made in my previous poll. Some people just didn't see the relevance to why patriotism would be associated with where one puts their money.

Romney has tax havens in foreign banks for the purpose of avoiding US taxes.

He has made his money and taken advantage of the prosperity that the US allows him, yet he sets up foreign bank accounts to avoid paying the taxes on the money he earned here.

So the question is: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

Remember, this is someone running for the highest (suppose to be) most respected position in the world.

Paying taxes, and watching your hard earned money go to waste, via your government sending billions of dollars a year to aid foreign countries; is not patriotic. :doh

how about when the government approves shipping jobs oversea's , are they patriotic?:vomit:
 
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NO sir.. you seem to miss the point. I am not debating weather or not it is illegal. I fully realize that you can do this legally and many people do. The question Mr.Turtledude is not weather it is illegal or not, Is this patriotic, is this moral, is this fulfilling your duty as a United States citizen, is this something that a PRESIDENT should be doing?

ABSOLUTELY!!! Every red blooded freedom loving patriotic american should pay Exactly what is owed and not one penny more. This means using EVERY legal deduction and loophole, and pushing the gray area envelope to the absolute maximum. The supreme court even supports me on this matter. :)
 
I think this question needs to be asked based on the arguments made in my previous poll. Some people just didn't see the relevance to why patriotism would be associated with where one puts their money.

Romney has tax havens in foreign banks for the purpose of avoiding US taxes.

this is a falsehood, as has been demonstrated ad nauseum. Romney is in no way guilty of tax evasion.
 
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ABSOLUTELY!!! Every red blooded freedom loving patriotic american should pay Exactly what is owed and not one penny more. This means using EVERY legal deduction and loophole, and pushing the gray area envelope to the absolute maximum. The supreme court even supports me on this matter. :)

Exactly. The fact that the President takes advantage of every credit and loophole he possibly can to pay as little in taxes as he can while passing as much as he can to his children without them paying the estate tax doesn't make him any less American; it just makes him a hypocrite :).
 
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btw-the party that wins elections when lots of people are under educated is the same party that has the teachers' unions as major organs

see the problem?

Yes. The problem is that your statement makes no sense since teachers are some of the highest educated people in America and the very essence of their job is to educate others.

There are those on the far right who like to attack teachers simply because they are unionized and tend to support democratic party candidates. And both of those things are verboten to them since it goes against their own self imposed belief system.
 
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Yes. The problem is that your statement makes no sense since teachers are some of the highest educated credentialed people in America and the very essence of their job is to educate others.

:) Fixed that for you.
 
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:) Fixed that for you.

true, study after study-several of which I gave to haymarket over a year ago, demonstrate that pub school teachers tend to come from the bottom of the academic barrel in public state universities.
 
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:) Fixed that for you.

You apparently have no respect for the American university system which bestows Bachelors and Masters and even Doctorate degrees upon millions of teachers across the land only after they have met and satisfied the rigorous requirements established by those institutions of higher learning.

That is sad.
 
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true, study after study-several of which I gave to haymarket over a year ago, demonstrate that pub school teachers tend to come from the bottom of the academic barrel in public state universities.

One cannot help but notice that instead of linking to those so that the other readers can see if such data truly says what you maintain what is says, all you do is make a statement and expect the world to accept your pontifications.

Why is that?
 
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One cannot help but notice that instead of linking to those so that the other readers can see if such data truly says what you maintain what is says, all you do is make a statement and expect the world to accept your pontifications.

Why is that?

because if you didn't bother to read and learn the links I gave you over a year ago, I doubt you are going to do it now. I don't believe in wasting effort and I also understand history-and I therefore am not cursed to repeat it
 
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because if you didn't bother to read and learn the links I gave you over a year ago, I doubt you are going to do it now. I don't believe in wasting effort and I also understand history-and I therefore am not cursed to repeat it

Because you have utterly FAILED to document what you claim in this discussion. The idea that "I told you a year ago all about it" is simply absurd on its face.
 
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You apparently have no respect for the American university system which bestows Bachelors and Masters and even Doctorate degrees upon millions of teachers across the land only after they have met and satisfied the rigorous requirements established by those institutions of higher learning.

That is sad.

You're going to have to sell that line to someone who isn't in the American university system. I'm wrapping up a masters now and it's embarrassing, the lack of intellectual rigor. Daily I have to restrain myself from tearing at some of my idiot classmates, who nonetheless will pass and go on to get their degrees. My harder undergrad classes were more difficult (though admittedly I went to a decent private undergrad school, and am now at a "public"). I have multiple friends as well who have been through their Education Masters in the last 5 years, and they were even more embarrassed. One of them who is currently in his second year is a law school grad. Apparently he bothers to do the little bit of reading assigned, and therefore is ahead of the vast majority of his classmates.

Education majors typically are the lowest-performing students, and Education programs are the ones that do the most grade-inflation. So long as you can master the art of managing to show up to class you are halfway there. Yeah, the Education field has definitely mistaken credentials for education and competence over the past couple of decades.


What is sad is that we have allowed mediocrity to become the standard and sub-mediocrity to become acceptable in one of our most critical fields of endeavor. What is sad is that we have lowered academic standards in order to make it easier on today's students; who have been trained not to think but to repeat mush. What is sad is that we have taught a generation of children that they will get a trophy so long as they show up, and that they deserve to have success handed to them, and that they will all be treated special, like snowflakes. What is sad is to watch the failures of the system perpetuate themselves. What is sad is to watch the American education system degrade, captured by a moribound and stultified governing parasite class, determined to do anything, with any amount of other people's money to avoid being subjected to the demands of reality.
 
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You're going to have to sell that line to someone who isn't in the American university system. I'm wrapping up a masters now and it's embarrassing, the lack of intellectual rigor. Daily I have to restrain myself from tearing at some of my idiot classmates, who nonetheless will pass and go on to get their degrees. My harder undergrad classes were more difficult (though admittedly I went to a decent private undergrad school, and am now at a "public"). I have multiple friends as well who have been through their Education Masters in the last 5 years, and they were even more embarrassed. One of them who is currently in his second year is a law school grad. Apparently he bothers to do the little bit of reading assigned, and therefore is ahead of the vast majority of his classmates.

Education majors typically are the lowest-performing students, and Education programs are the ones that do the most grade-inflation. So long as you can master the art of managing to show up to class you are halfway there. Yeah, the Education field has definitely mistaken credentials for education and competence over the past couple of decades.

It is unfortunate that you did not chose wisely in where you obtained your education. You have my sympathies.

Perhaps you need a different circle of friends? Perhaps it is they who are the problem and not the profession they have selected?

A common mistake that some folks make is to take their very limited individual experience and extrapolate it applying it to all of society. They wallow in the delusion that because they had a particular experience, that all people had that same experience.
 
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It is unfortunate that you did not chose wisely in where you obtained your education. You have my sympathies.

:lol: you mean that I went with a public school for my masters degree?]

Well as it happens I agree. Public school systems generally perform below Private school systems. But as it also happens my choices were rather constrained. :shrug: so there you go.

But for education? Nah, plenty of my friends who went into education (which was the main destination for my group) went to the Private School Of Note For The Northern Half Of The State For Education. They report the same thing. Low standards where there are any.
 
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:lol: you mean that I went with a public school for my masters degree?


Nah, plenty of my friends who went into education (which was the main destination for my group) went to the Private School Of Note For The Northern Half Of The State For Education. They report the same thing. Low standards where there are any.

No. I clearly stated that if you found yourself at a school with low standards it is because you yourself made that choice. You are responsible for that.

You will have to understand if I and others are less than eager to accept the second hand anecdotal information you provide about some people you associate with as the be-all and end-all of TRUTH on education and teachers.
 
No, paying every dollar of your taxes isn't "patroitic". Avoiding taxes isn't "patriotic" either.

The action of paying ones taxes or not paying ones taxes or seeking deductions to ones taxes is not an inherently patriotic endevour.
 
No, paying every dollar of your taxes isn't "patroitic". Avoiding taxes isn't "patriotic" either.

The action of paying ones taxes or not paying ones taxes or seeking deductions to ones taxes is not an inherently patriotic endevour.
I agree.especially if those taxes pay a lavish lifestyle for the....elected and their friends.as is the case.
 
I agree.especially if those taxes pay a lavish lifestyle for the....elected and their friends.as is the case.

Lets get this strraight ....... a lavish lifestyle for elected officials and their friends...... and that from taxes.......

funniest post in weeks :lamo:mrgreen::lamo
 
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That's one thing that has always amazed me. You got all these "God Bless America", flag waving, lapel pin wearing "true patriots" over at FOX (and even here at DP) nonstop whining about the price it costs to live in the best nation on the planet. Wah, wah, wah.

Living in the USofA is worth it at twice the price. Love it or leave it.
The problem with that thinking is, "twice the price" leads to a second rate country. Do you want to live under these conditions, Cap?
 
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The problem with that thinking is, "twice the price" leads to a second rate country. Do you want to live under these conditions, Cap?

How does paying for made in America lead to us being a second rate country?
 
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Only two honest people here, of which I am NOT one..
It has always been "what one can get away with".
The IRS or IRA is not well liked, but is feared.
 
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Paying your taxes makes you a loser.

How much of a loser you are depends on how many taxes you pay.

People who pressure others to pay taxes and take pride in humility are predators who need to be put in their place.
Is this really your stance, or are you just being facetious ?
 
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