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Is paying your taxes Patriotic? [W:102]

Is paying your taxes patriotic?

  • Yes, it is our duty as citizens to pay into the system that we have reaped the benefits from.

    Votes: 38 77.6%

  • No, if you can get away with it, why not.

    Votes: 5 10.2%

  • Who cares!

    Votes: 6 12.2%
  • Total voters
    49
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

ThePlayDrive said:
Actually, everybody pays taxes, so no.
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Not everybody pays taxes equally, or fairly. As pointed out, about half of the citizens have no 'skin in the game' when it comes to federal payroll taxes... Which is the biggest pile of money the government uses to take care of all those 'wonderful things' that even the non-payers take part in and enjoy.
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

OnWisconsin said:
I think this question needs to be asked based on the arguments made in my previous poll. Some people just didn't see the relevance to why patriotism would be associated with where one puts their money.

Romney has tax havens in foreign banks for the purpose of avoiding US taxes.

He has made his money and taken advantage of the prosperity that the US allows him, yet he sets up foreign bank accounts to avoid paying the taxes on the money he earned here.

So the question is: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

Remember, this is someone running for the highest (suppose to be) most respected position in the world.
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The answer to this question depends entirely on whether or not a person thinks paying taxes is in the best interest of the country. If they do, then yes, it's patriotic. If they don't, then no, it's not patriotic. If they don't think taxes have anything to do with patriotism, then the answer is none of the above.
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

Arbo said:
Not everybody pays taxes equally, or fairly. As pointed out, about half of the citizens have no 'skin in the game' when it comes to federal payroll taxes... Which is the biggest pile of money the government uses to take care of all those 'wonderful things' that even the non-payers take part in and enjoy.
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This is true although I wouldn't call welfare a "wonderful thing."
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

ThePlayDrive said:
This is true although I wouldn't call welfare a "wonderful thing."
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Nor did anyone in this thread. Try following along.
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

mertex said:
If you were an infant, you could use that excuse. I don't suppose you are still a child, living here by force?

What? If you like imposed sterilization you need to move to a country that believes in that. I think China doesn't allow more than 2 kids, that might be a good place to go.
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This is actually a huge problem.

You have a country where people are graduated into adulthood without consideration towards social values. How does an arbitrary quantity of time qualify as maturely understanding the rules of engagement?

This statement makes no sense whatsoever. As an adult, you are able to move to another country instead of griping that you don't want to do what is required here.
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As an adult, you're not expected to do anything for anyone else just to make them happy. Moving to another country involves a cost and a decision. That makes it unfree.
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

OnWisconsin said:
I think this question needs to be asked based on the arguments made in my previous poll. Some people just didn't see the relevance to why patriotism would be associated with where one puts their money.

Romney has tax havens in foreign banks for the purpose of avoiding US taxes.

He has made his money and taken advantage of the prosperity that the US allows him, yet he sets up foreign bank accounts to avoid paying the taxes on the money he earned here.

So the question is: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

Remember, this is someone running for the highest (suppose to be) most respected position in the world.
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What an idiotic question. Paying as little as you are legally obligated to is smart. Its no different than going into a car dealership and bargaining for the best price possible. That of course is very different than engaging in illegal activities such as criminal tax evasion (or stealing the car off the lot)

It seems the radical left-a group that has no problem with people who pay no federal income taxes having the ability to determine the rates the rest of us pay-thinks that the rich exist merely to fund their pie in the sky socialist welfare dreams.
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

Captain America said:
That's one thing that has always amazed me. You got all these "God Bless America", flag waving, lapel pin wearing "true patriots" over at FOX (and even here at DP) nonstop whining about the price it costs to live in the best nation on the planet. Wah, wah, wah.

Living in the USofA is worth it at twice the price. Love it or leave it.
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I wish all the people who spew that blather would step up and pay as much taxes as I do

or as much as Romney does
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

mertex said:
Yes, it is every American's duty to pay their taxes. Unfortunately, it is the very wealthy (ala Romney) who try and get by with paying as little as they can. For shame, especially since Republican/conservatives tout themselves as being so patriotic.
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psychobabble. more than 45% of the public pays no federal income taxes. what makes them better than someone like Romney who funds the government services of those slackers?
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

Paschendale said:
It's not an issue of patriotism. It's an issue of maturity. It's extremely childish to whine about paying the membership fee to be a part of the United States. All of the wonderful things we enjoy here cost money. We all have to pay for them. Get with the program.
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more leftwing statist nonsense. Most americans pay far less a percentage than Romney. Less than one percent pay more taxes. why-because that is the way the tax code is. For you to whine about Romney when you don't whine about everyone else who pays far less is partisan hackery. If you don't pay AS MUCH tax as Romney you have no business complaining about what he does
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

haymarket said:
sad that the selfish and greedy place themselves and their worship of Mammon above America and the American people.
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the selfish and greedy are government parasites and their handmaidens who claim that they need more of our money than we do
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

ThePlayDrive said:
Try not writing like an asshole.
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Says the man that didn't follow the conversation and just made up what 'wonderful things' meant... with no context to the discussion so far. Go away troll.
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

Arbo said:
Says the man that didn't follow the conversation and just made up what 'wonderful things' meant... with no context to the discussion so far. Go away troll.
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Don't cry.
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

Daktoria said:
Last I checked, being given birth to involves physical force.

Likewise, the government allows anyone to reproduce, not checking for social qualifications.

It's no different from lending a house to someone to take you hostage.

Expecting the hostage to so much as lift a finger is coercion.
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Then there's no such thing as an existence free from forcible coercion. So suck it up and live with it like an adult.
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

ThePlayDrive said:
Don't cry.
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Try to stick to the topic of the thread. It's not that hard.

You said that that everybody pays taxes, it was shown that what was being talked about was federal payroll taxes, so not everyone pays them, you agreed. Would you like to expound upon your confusion or change of heart on the topic?
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

Arbo said:
Try to stick to the topic of the thread. It's not that hard.

You said that that everybody pays taxes, it was shown that what was being talked about was federal payroll taxes, so not everyone pays them, you agreed. Would you like to expound upon your confusion or change of heart on the topic?
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What a strange version of a events you've constructed.
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

ThePlayDrive said:
What a strange version of a events you've constructed.
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You can review the thread yourself. I'm going to conclude you don't have anything to say about the actual topic.
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

Lokiate said:
I would say taxes are simply a quid pro quo. You either pay them, or you go to jail. Patriotism, imo, would be buying American made goods.
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Unless you have enough money to send off shore and stash in a swiss bank account. So once again, only the rich benefit from the loopholes and the rest of us are stuck abiding by the law.
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

OnWisconsin said:
Unless you have enough money to send off shore and stash in a swiss bank account. So once again, only the rich benefit from the loopholes and the rest of us are stuck abiding by the law.
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You are free to open an offshore account.
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

Arbo said:
Can you show that anyone has 'hid' their money? I mean, the fact that even a common citizen such as yourself knows he has accounts overseas means it's kinda public knowledge. Or can you show that it is illegal for him to use a legal method to avoid taxes in any way?
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Romney refuses to release his tax returns, which 30 years of candidates have done before him. That to me is "hiding".
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

Arbo said:
You are free to open an offshore account.
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What would the benefit be for me to stash 5000 in a swiss bank account? Now if I had 5,000,000 or so there would be an advantage to tax dodging...
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

OnWisconsin said:
Unless you have enough money to send off shore and stash in a swiss bank account. So once again, only the rich benefit from the loopholes and the rest of us are stuck abiding by the law.
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well the same law that allows you to pay so much less tax than Romney allows him these so called loopholes
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

OnWisconsin said:
What would the benefit be for me to stash 5000 in a swiss bank account? Now if I had 5,000,000 or so there would be an advantage to tax dodging...
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you seem to miss the obvious on purpose

avoiding taxes as long as its not illegal is done pursuant to the law. The same law that lets people like you whine about Romney while not paying in a lifetime what he pays in a month even though you get the same government benefits he does-and maybe more
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

TurtleDude said:
you seem to miss the obvious on purpose

avoiding taxes as long as its not illegal is done pursuant to the law. The same law that lets people like you whine about Romney while not paying in a lifetime what he pays in a month even though you get the same government benefits he does-and maybe more
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NO sir.. you seem to miss the point. I am not debating weather or not it is illegal. I fully realize that you can do this legally and many people do. The question Mr.Turtledude is not weather it is illegal or not, Is this patriotic, is this moral, is this fulfilling your duty as a United States citizen, is this something that a PRESIDENT should be doing?
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

TurtleDude said:
well the same law that allows you to pay so much less tax than Romney allows him these so called loopholes
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SO much less in actual dollars, but in percentage of what I make, I am willing to bet anything I pay more in the "real feel" tax. Meaning What I make and what I pay in, effects me more than Mr. Romney.
 
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