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Is paying your taxes Patriotic? [W:102]

Is paying your taxes patriotic?

  • Yes, it is our duty as citizens to pay into the system that we have reaped the benefits from.

    Votes: 38 77.6%
  • No, if you can get away with it, why not.

    Votes: 5 10.2%
  • Who cares!

    Votes: 6 12.2%

  • Total voters
    49
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

btw-the party that wins elections when lots of people are under educated is the same party that has the teachers' unions as major organs

see the problem?

That is ridiculous. Have any proof to back that up?
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

Exactly. The fact that the President takes advantage of every credit and loophole he possibly can to pay as little in taxes as he can while passing as much as he can to his children without them paying the estate tax doesn't make him any less American; it just makes him a hypocrite :).
Or pretty much any other politition for that matter.
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

You apparently have no respect for the American university system which bestows Bachelors and Masters and even Doctorate degrees upon millions of teachers across the land only after they have met and satisfied the rigorous requirements established by those institutions of higher learning.

That is sad.
Neither do I have any respect for them. Where I come from respect is EARNED. You want it, earn it. A lot of people seem to think they owed something they are not. They confuse respect with politeness. Nobody is owed either. I dont have to be polite to you and I sure as hell dont have to respect you. Politeness is just good manners. My mama taught me those. There are good reasons for being polite. Respect on the other hand, if you want that get off your butt and go earn it.:soap
 
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How does paying for made in America lead to us being a second rate country?
It doesn't. Paying our "fair share" in taxes, does.
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

No. I clearly stated that if you found yourself at a school with low standards it is because you yourself made that choice. You are responsible for that.

True enough. :) I knew full well I was going public.

You will have to understand if I and others are less than eager to accept the second hand anecdotal information you provide about some people you associate with as the be-all and end-all of TRUTH on education and teachers.

Good point. Let's see what the numbers say.

Here's The Nation's Easiest College Major

...Research over the years has indicated that education majors, who enter college with the lowest average SAT scores, leave with the highest grades. Some of academic evidence documenting easy A's for future teachers goes back more than 50 years!

The latest damning report on the ease of majoring in education comes from research at the University of Missouri, my alma mater. The study, conducted by economist Cory Koedel shows that education majors receive "substantially higher" grades than students in every other department...

Koedel examined the grades earned by undergraduates during the 2007-2008 school year at three large state universities that include sizable education programs -- University of Missouri, Miami (OH) University and Indiana University. The researcher compared the grades earned by education majors with the grades earned by students in 12 other majors including biology, economics, English, history, philosophy, mathematics, chemistry, psychology and sociology.

Education majors enjoyed grade point averages that were .5 to .8 grade points higher than students in the other college majors. At the University of Missouri, for instance, the average education major has a 3.80 GPA versus 2.99 GPA (science, math, econ majors), 3.12 GPA (social science majors) and 3.16 GPA (humanities majors)...

Koedel also suggests that the low academic standards required of education majors can extend to low expectation of teachers after they leave college.

Low grading standards in education departments may contribute to the culture of low evaluation standards in education more generally. Although the existence of such a link is merely speculative at this point, there is a striking similarity between the favorable grades awarded to prospective teachers during university training and the favorable evaluations that teachers receive in K-12 schools.​
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That grade inflation is rampant on campus and that schools of education are among the biggest offenders is old news. But the extent of the skew may surprise you.

Mark J. Perry, professor of economics and finance at the University of Michigan-Flint, provides this stunning graphic of the grade distribution at Cornell:

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The graphic above shows median grades for course in three departments at Cornell: Economics, Education and Math. Specifically, it shows the percentage of course in each department with a median grade of A: Economics (13.6%), Education (77.8%) and Math (12.9%). Note also that 100% of Education courses have a median grade of either A (77.8%) or A- (22.2%)...

...Students who take education classes at universities receive significantly higher grades than students who take classes in every other academic discipline. The higher grades cannot be explained by observable differences in student quality between education majors and other students, nor can they be explained by the fact that education classes are typically smaller than classes in other academic departments.

This is despite the fact that education majors have the lowest high school grades and standardized test scores of all college students...

The National Center for Education Statistics summarized the findings in "Highlights From PISA 2006." (http://nces.ed.gov/pubs2008/2008016.pdf) U.S. American students ranked 33rd 33rd among industrialized countries in math literacy, and in science literacy, they ranked 27th. Reading literacy was not reported for the U.S. because of an error in the test instruction booklets....

American education will never be improved until we address one of the problems seen as too delicate to discuss. That problem is the overall quality of people teaching our children. Students who have chosen education as their major have the lowest SAT scores of any other major. Students who have graduated with an education degree earn lower scores than any other major on graduate school admissions tests such as the GRE, MCAT, or LSAT....



Education studies requires the least academic rigor, and feeds into a profession which does not pay for performance, but which does offer fantastic job security. We tend to attract our mediocre (or less) performers into education, and then we don't demand much of them once they get there.
 
I think this question needs to be asked based on the arguments made in my previous poll. Some people just didn't see the relevance to why patriotism would be associated with where one puts their money.

Romney has tax havens in foreign banks for the purpose of avoiding US taxes.

He has made his money and taken advantage of the prosperity that the US allows him, yet he sets up foreign bank accounts to avoid paying the taxes on the money he earned here.

So the question is: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

Remember, this is someone running for the highest (suppose to be) most respected position in the world.
What is unpatriotic about paying only those taxes that you are required to pay?

What do you people expect the guy to do? Pay more taxes then his accountants say he needs to?

As long as he obeys the law and pays what the IRS says he should - then there is nothing wrong with what he did.
 
What is unpatriotic about paying only those taxes that you are required to pay?

What do you people expect the guy to do? Pay more taxes then his accountants say he needs to?

As long as he obeys the law and pays what the IRS says he should - then there is nothing wrong with what he did.


There is nothing legally wrong with it (although there ought to be). But why would someone with that much money avoid paying the taxes on them? What is the point in that? If I had that much money I wouldn't mind paying every cent. I don't have a problem with it now and I'm very far from wealthy. It just doesn't make sense. He talks about how we can't pay for Obama's policies yet he, along with other rich people, take revenue away.
 
There is nothing legally wrong with it (although there ought to be). But why would someone with that much money avoid paying the taxes on them? What is the point in that? If I had that much money I wouldn't mind paying every cent. I don't have a problem with it now and I'm very far from wealthy. It just doesn't make sense. He talks about how we can't pay for Obama's policies yet he, along with other rich people, take revenue away.
With respect, you are missing the point.

The laws of the United States are set up so that Romney must pay 'x' number of taxes to be within the law.

He, as far as we know, is doing just that.

What is it that you wish him to do? Deliberately pay more taxes then he is supposed to?

That makes no sense.


Now, if you have a problem with the percentage of his income that he gives to charity (if he chose to release that information)? That is different.

But to suggest that Romney (or anyone) should pay more taxes then he is required to is - no offense - silly.
 
With respect, you are missing the point.

The laws of the United States are set up so that Romney must pay 'x' number of taxes to be within the law.

He, as far as we know, is doing just that.

What is it that you wish him to do? Deliberately pay more taxes then he is supposed to?

That makes no sense.


Now, if you have a problem with the percentage of his income that he gives to charity (if he chose to release that information)? That is different.

But to suggest that Romney (or anyone) should pay more taxes then he is required to is - no offense - silly.

What is he donating to in foreign accounts? That money should be taxed as well.
 
What is he donating to in foreign accounts? That money should be taxed as well.

If the IRS says he is paying all they require - that is good enough for me.

And it should be good enough for you...unless you are privy to information the IRS does not have.

If that is the case, then you should provide it to them.

Otherwise, I think you should not condemn others for obeying the laws of America and choosing to keep their personal information...personal.
 
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With respect, you are missing the point.

The laws of the United States are set up so that Romney must pay 'x' number of taxes to be within the law.

He, as far as we know, is doing just that.

What is it that you wish him to do? Deliberately pay more taxes then he is supposed to?

That makes no sense.


Now, if you have a problem with the percentage of his income that he gives to charity (if he chose to release that information)? That is different.

But to suggest that Romney (or anyone) should pay more taxes then he is required to is - no offense - silly.

Hi, if I can chime in here for minute: Romney's income, as it's been reported, is fomr capital gains alone. The rate for such gains is 15%. With the amount of money that he's making, that's a problem. Ya' see, it's that kind of thing that's bringing all the heat onto the 1%: it's gambling income . . .
 
Hi, if I can chime in here for minute: Romney's income, as it's been reported, is fomr capital gains alone. The rate for such gains is 15%. With the amount of money that he's making, that's a problem. Ya' see, it's that kind of thing that's bringing all the heat onto the 1%: it's gambling income . . .

Personally, I believe capital gains should be taxed at the same rate as income.

But, as I stated before, so long as Romney is following the laws of America...he is doing nothing wrong and how much he pays in taxes is no one's business but his (and the IRS).
 
Personally, I believe capital gains should be taxed at the same rate as income.

That's the quickest way in the world to drive away investments in America.
 
That's the quickest way in the world to drive away investments in America.
Not if you made the income tax rate the same for all Americans AND end corporate taxes (as I believe they should).

And the quickest way to drive away investments is to have a crappy economy.


And I don't give a rat's buttocks what people think...it is wrong that rich people can sit around on their duffs and pay virtually nothing in capital gains taxes AND it is wrong that hard working rich people have to be punished with higher taxes on their income taxes just because they are successful.

All Americans over the poverty line should be taxes equally...period.
 
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If the IRS says he is paying all they require - that is good enough for me.

And it should be good enough for you...unless you are privy to information the IRS does not have.

If that is the case, then you should provide it to them.

Otherwise, I think you should not condemn others for obeying the laws of America and choosing to keep their personal information...personal.

So as long as it's legal it's right? We shouldn't question whether or not he ought to pay taxes on money that would be taxed if it weren't in a foreign bank?
 
With respect, you are missing the point.

The laws of the United States are set up so that Romney must pay 'x' number of taxes to be within the law.

He, as far as we know, is doing just that.

What is it that you wish him to do? Deliberately pay more taxes then he is supposed to?

That makes no sense.


Now, if you have a problem with the percentage of his income that he gives to charity (if he chose to release that information)? That is different.

But to suggest that Romney (or anyone) should pay more taxes then he is required to is - no offense - silly.

Except that his offshore accounts provide him with financial benefits at the expense of the US Treasury. So much for his trying to reduce the debt and deficit - looks like he is trying to do that, but not with his money.

Especially when as ABC reports, "the offshore accounts have provided him -- and Bain -- with other potential financial benefits, such as higher management fees and greater foreign interest, all at the expense of the U.S. Treasury." As a reminder: "Rebecca J. Wilkins, a tax policy expert with Citizens for Tax Justice, said the federal government loses an estimated $100 billion a year because of tax havens."
Mitt Romney’s Offshore Bank Accounts
 
So as long as it's legal it's right? We shouldn't question whether or not he ought to pay taxes on money that would be taxed if it weren't in a foreign bank?

Legal is legal. If the government and the people didn't want it that way, they would make it illegal. The fact that you don't 'like' it is 1000% irrelevant to anything. Get over it. That dog don't hunt.
 
Except that his offshore accounts provide him with financial benefits at the expense of the US Treasury.

this is not accurate - Romney has paid taxes on those monies.

So much for his trying to reduce the debt and deficit - looks like he is trying to do that, but not with his money.

you mean just like Obama, when he takes advantage of every loophole and credit he can?
 
Except that his offshore accounts provide him with financial benefits at the expense of the US Treasury. So much for his trying to reduce the debt and deficit - looks like he is trying to do that, but not with his money.

Especially when as ABC reports, "the offshore accounts have provided him -- and Bain -- with other potential financial benefits, such as higher management fees and greater foreign interest, all at the expense of the U.S. Treasury." As a reminder: "Rebecca J. Wilkins, a tax policy expert with Citizens for Tax Justice, said the federal government loses an estimated $100 billion a year because of tax havens."
Mitt Romney’s Offshore Bank Accounts

If it's legal, there is nothing wrong with it and none of our business.
 
Re: Is paying your taxes Patriotic?

Neither do I have any respect for them. Where I come from respect is EARNED. You want it, earn it. A lot of people seem to think they owed something they are not. They confuse respect with politeness. Nobody is owed either. I dont have to be polite to you and I sure as hell dont have to respect you. Politeness is just good manners. My mama taught me those. There are good reasons for being polite. Respect on the other hand, if you want that get off your butt and go earn it.:soap

The American university system has functioned for a very long period of time turning out highly educated people who supply American and the world with professionals who continue the work necessary for us to function and advance as a people. If that has not earned your respect, so be it.
 
So as long as it's legal it's right? We shouldn't question whether or not he ought to pay taxes on money that would be taxed if it weren't in a foreign bank?
You don't like the tax laws...write your Congressperson.

But don't condemn those for following them.
 
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The American university system has functioned for a very long period of time turning out highly educated people who supply American and the world with professionals who continue the work necessary for us to function and advance as a people. If that has not earned your respect, so be it.[/QUOTe

The American university system could use a wake up call. Like no more subsidies from taxpayers for one. Like no more state and fedrerally backed loans for another. They are by far less cost effective than they used to be, resulting in far less value for the dollar spent by students on their education. I have no respect for institutions that charge confiscatory rates and produce substandard garbage. Unfortunately that is exactly what is going on in American universities today, especially in the Ivy League which used to produce the best. This statement applies to most universities not all. The American education system is no where close to what it used to be, which was the best by far in the world.
 
You don't like the tax laws...write your Congressperson.

But don't condemn those for following them.

Or should I condemn him? He is a politician that, if I'm not mistaken, has talked about the "broken tax structure". Why does he exploit the breaks then?
 
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