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What should happen to those who renounce their US citizenship?

What should happen to those who renounce their US citizenship?

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What should happen to those who renounce their US citizenship?
My understanding is that you can't renounce until your tax bill is settled, because once you renounce, the US can't collect.

I don't see why property or other assets would have to be seized, though one would then be under special rules which apply to all non-citizen property holders.

Other than that, you're treated just like any other forign visitor.
 
they're not illegal aliens.
I have to agree. Someone who renounces their US citizenship is not an illegal alien. What makes someone an illegal alien is being in the US without a green-card, passport or visa.
 
I have to agree. Someone who renounces their US citizenship is not an illegal alien. What makes someone an illegal alien is being in the US without a green-card, passport or visa.

what is the legal status of someone in the USA who has renounced their citizenship?

that is a good question.
 
what is the legal status of someone in the USA who has renounced their citizenship?

that is a good question.
You have to be on foreign soil in order to renounce, so your legal status will depend on how you re-entered the US after renouncing.
 
I'd say treat them no differently than any other foreign national after that.

Edit: The only exception to this is that I'd never give them citizenship again if they renounced it once.
 
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Wow, I can't believe the number of folks here who would be so hateful toward an American who gave up his citizenship, but are easily tolerant of both illegal aliens, and legal aliens from other countries.
 
Make them stand in line with everyone else if they ever want to get their citizenship back. Aside from that, treat them like any other non-citizen.
I don't think you can get it back if you renounce it.
 
I'd say treat them no differently than any other foreign national after that.

Edit: The only exception to this is that I'd never give them citizenship again if they renounced it once.

They can't ever get it back. It's already the law. Once you renounce it's irrevocable. No exceptions.
 
I don't see any good reason to treat former U.S. citizens differently from other non-U.S. citizens. Unless there's reason to believe that a person has avoided taxes while living in the U.S., there should be no penalty for leaving, and unless there's reason to believe that a person will cause trouble when in the country, they should be allowed back in like any other foreigner.
 
Any truly free society must allow its law-abiding members free exit. As long as all of their back taxes are paid, I don't see a single good reason to treat them differently than any other foreigner. Many politicians, particularly Democrats, like to get all butt-hurt and go on tv to denounce these "Benedict Arnolds" that "turn their back on America." Here's an idea: instead of punishing people who make money overseas, why not reduce the taxes and regulation that drove them out of the country in the first place?
 
what is the legal status of someone in the USA who has renounced their citizenship?

that is a good question.

A foreign visitor, if they re-entered as citizens of another country with a valid passport and visa. An illegal alien if they overstay their welcome. Generally it's between 3 and 6 months at a time depending on their new citizenship.
 
Any truly free society must allow its law-abiding members free exit. As long as all of their back taxes are paid, I don't see a single good reason to treat them differently than any other foreigner. Many politicians, particularly Democrats, like to get all butt-hurt and go on tv to denounce these "Benedict Arnolds" that "turn their back on America." Here's an idea: instead of punishing people who make money overseas, why not reduce the taxes and regulation that drove them out of the country in the first place?

I have a friend who's very torn about renouncing her citizenship or not. The problem with the USA is that it's the only country that taxes citizens no matter where they live and work, even if they haven't been back home in over 20 years. It's utterly ridiculous. My friend currently pays taxes in both Switzerland and the US. Good thing she can more than afford it, but it's still a really stupid system.
 
all taxes previously owed should be collected. any other funds should be returned to the individual.

as for visiting the US, the person should have to go through the process that every other foreign citizen has to go through in order to visit. no preferential treatment for former citizens.

when i was a kid, i read the story "a man without a country." perhaps hyperpartisan hotheads should read it as well.
 
I have to agree. Someone who renounces their US citizenship is not an illegal alien. What makes someone an illegal alien is being in the US without a green-card, passport or visa.

But if they renounce their citizenship, they wouldn't necessarily have those things. So one who does not have a green-card, passport, or visa from another country who renounces their citizenship would be? Illegal alien. heheheh
 
I have a friend who's very torn about renouncing her citizenship or not. The problem with the USA is that it's the only country that taxes citizens no matter where they live and work, even if they haven't been back home in over 20 years. It's utterly ridiculous. My friend currently pays taxes in both Switzerland and the US. Good thing she can more than afford it, but it's still a really stupid system.

And they call it the free-est nation on Earth...
 
I have a friend who's very torn about renouncing her citizenship or not. The problem with the USA is that it's the only country that taxes citizens no matter where they live and work, even if they haven't been back home in over 20 years. It's utterly ridiculous. My friend currently pays taxes in both Switzerland and the US. Good thing she can more than afford it, but it's still a really stupid system.

Yeah, politicians here absolutely love dumping on rich Americans who invest or work in foreign countries. The laws passed to back up this grandstanding aren't helpful either. They simply discourage these people from investing any money overseas or they just pull up stakes and take it all out of America. These rules only bring in a tiny amount of revenue, and are incredibly inappropriate in today's world of globalized finance. I find it ridiculous that this country, still in many ways the center of global commerce and finance has tried so hard to keep people from investing overseas. Romney is currently being hammered for having a now liquidated Swiss bank account, even though pretty much anybody with a mutual account has plenty of their money invested overseas.
 
Any truly free society must allow its law-abiding members free exit. As long as all of their back taxes are paid, I don't see a single good reason to treat them differently than any other foreigner. Many politicians, particularly Democrats, like to get all butt-hurt and go on tv to denounce these "Benedict Arnolds" that "turn their back on America." Here's an idea: instead of punishing people who make money overseas, why not reduce the taxes and regulation that drove them out of the country in the first place?

Perhaps the reason why you feel so differently that the Democrats you insult has to do with the issue of being an American patriot?
 
In fairness I think some people have a legitimate reason to renounce their US citizenship. Amy is American and Bob is British. They get married, settle in England and have a little girl named Carla. Carla is a US citizen because of her mom, Amy. She has never lived in the US and only comes over to visit family. She's now in her 20s and under US law Carla is required to pay Federal Income tax to Uncle Sam on all monies earned worldwide. This on top of her UK taxes. She's not a bad person, unpatriotic or trying to cheat the system. IMHO its not right to ban her from ever visiting her grandparents, aunts, uncles and cousins in America for life.

IMHO the fair solution is set up a limit on US citizens moving money offshore like a $750,000 lifetime limit. All inured taxes still owed. They can renounce their citizenship but they have to leave their money here. Since corporations are people, same for them. :lamo We probably have to exclude Canada and Mexico because of NAFTA.
 
Yeah, politicians here absolutely love dumping on rich Americans who invest or work in foreign countries. The laws passed to back up this grandstanding aren't helpful either. They simply discourage these people from investing any money overseas or they just pull up stakes and take it all out of America. These rules only bring in a tiny amount of revenue, and are incredibly inappropriate in today's world of globalized finance. I find it ridiculous that this country, still in many ways the center of global commerce and finance has tried so hard to keep people from investing overseas. Romney is currently being hammered for having a now liquidated Swiss bank account, even though pretty much anybody with a mutual account has plenty of their money invested overseas.

And it's not just the rich. Any citizen, no matter how much they make abroad, is subject to this. I really don't understand the logic of taxing people on money that is not made on US soil. It's abuse, plain and simple. I'm absolutely floored that anyone would stand for this kind of scam.
 
Out here in California US citizenship is of less and less importance. It's hard to get worked up about something that so many people don't think matters any more.
 
Out here in California US citizenship is of less and less importance. It's hard to get worked up about something that so many people don't think matters any more.

And your verifiable evidence of this shocking development is.............??????
 
What should happen to those who renounce their US citizenship? This a multiple choice poll and users can see how you voted.


Kept out of the US permanently
Banned from doing business with American companies in the US
Banned from doing business with American companies abroad.
Kept out of the US until they pay back taxes.
Their property in the US confiscated and sold to pay back taxes.
The US government should go after them to pay taxes regardless of what country they go to.
Other idea(please specify)
They should be allowed to freely enter the US as long as they have a US passport.
No one should be punished for renouncing their citizenship.
I don't know.



Personally I feel that if someone renounces their American citizenship then they should never be allowed back into the US including it's territories, nor should they be allowed to do business with any American company.I don't care what someone's reasons are for renouncing their citizenship.

We let people who are natives of countries we warred with visit the U.S.

Banning someone for renouncing their citizenship is silly as hell.

Also, just because someone renounces their US citizenship does not inherently mean that they do it out of acrimony. It may be that they do it for some other reason. Like they've got a job in another country, are raising their children there, and would rather be involved in the democratic process of where they have now made their home.

Doing this is like being someone who thinks that whenever an intimate relationship must break up it has be an angry break up instead of a mature ending of the relationship. Which, again, is silly as all hell.
 
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