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Will Obama be re-elected in November if the unemployment rate stays over 8%?

Will Obama be re-elected in November if the unemployment rate stays over 8%?

  • Yes

    Votes: 16 53.3%

  • No

    Votes: 6 20.0%

  • Unsure

    Votes: 8 26.7%
  • Total voters
    30
Thunder said:
most Americans are smart enough to understand that Obama really isn't at fault for this, as the European debt-crisis and China's reaction to it, is playing a large part in all of this.
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Most Americans who voted in 2008 were stupid enough to vote for Obama, so maybe they're stupid enough to deflect blame from Obama.
 
There's far more to the overall economy than flat unemployment rate, like median salary, consumer debt and spending, inflation. It's quite possible he would be reelected because Repubs have pinned themselves into a corner on social issues, such that demographics can easily outweigh the economy. Not just on gay rights or the mythical college age voter, but the idiotic attacking of women and Hispanics. The only group they haven't offended many times over is old white men. Add to that Romney probably inspires the base far less than McCain did.

I really think Obama would have little chance if they hadn't bullied in to things like contraception, vaginal probing and racial profiling. There's also a growing awareness that the economy is still sucking, or at least prevented from a chance at improving, in large part because of Republican obstructionism in the Senate. If he's not re-elected it's because the turnout is pathetic, or the economy takes another big hit.
 
Redress said:
No, nor is it nearly that clear cut actually. You are reading far too much into what I wrote. The unemployment rate will be a negative for Obama, the higher, the more of a negative. Does that make it clearer?
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So you are arguing that there is no greater electoral effect between (say) 7.9% and 8.0% as there is between 8.0% and 8.1%?
 
Unemployment would be an issue if they actually gave the real number, but they always post that false 8%. I wonder what people would say if they knew the actual percentage was closer to 20% rather than 8%
 
cpwill said:
So you are arguing that there is no greater electoral effect between (say) 7.9% and 8.0% as there is between 8.0% and 8.1%?
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Did I write that? No. If you want to talk about what I actually wrote, get back to me. Right now you are having a discussion with yourself.
 
TurtleDude said:
LOL its good seeing the clearly wrong position proclaimed so boldly. Right now I think its a toss up. Obama has the MSM on his side along with the fact that almost half the country are sucking on the public tit. plus lots of rich net tax payers become more wealthy when the dems are in power and government is bigger (trial lawyers, union bosses, those who make money off of the poverty-welfare business)

what is working against Obama is his record, his lack of competence and the fact that the main reason people voted for him is generally not sustainable.
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Mitt Romney is the best that Republicans can do: they won't talk about his religion, they won't talk about his finances, they won't talk about his business practices and they won't talk about his record . . . The only people voting for Romney in my view, will be those voting out of spite: the rest will stay home.
 
Thunder said:
most Americans are smart enough to understand that Obama really isn't at fault for this
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You greatly overestimate the intelligence of the average American.
 
jet57 said:
Mitt Romney is the best that Republicans can do: they won't talk about his religion, they won't talk about his finances, they won't talk about his business practices and they won't talk about his record . . . The only people

voting for Romney in my view, will be those voting out of spite: the rest will stay home.
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given your usual rate of accuracy, its good to see such a claim. Obama is a failure-anyone who understands that and isn't a hard core social fascist will vote for Romney. we have a few extreme right sore losers here who want Obama to win because their fascist candidate lost but so what
 
Phys251 said:
You greatly overestimate the intelligence of the average American.
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Oblama's election was a prime proof of that. His win over HIllary confirmed it as well
 
TurtleDude said:
Oblama's election was a prime proof of that. His win over HIllary confirmed it as well
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Americans were dumb enough to re-elect GWB.

If they re-elect Obama, it will prove they have gotten even dumber politically.


I don't overly fault Americans for originally voting for either the first time - both had relatively little experience on the national stage and ended up making tons of promises (many they did not keep).

But to re-elect such complete and utterly useless POTUS's as GWB and Obama have been...now that clearly shows a distinct lack of political intelligence (imo).
 
DA60 said:
Americans were dumb enough to re-elect GWB.

If they re-elect Obama, it will prove they have gotten even dumber politically.


I don't overly fault Americans for originally voting for either the first time - both had relatively little experience on the national stage and ended up making tons of promises (many they did not keep).

But to re-elect such complete and utterly useless POTUS's as GWB and Obama have been...now that clearly shows a distinct lack of political intelligence (imo).
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Kerry was a complete idiot-his only argument he was smarter than Bush and that was proven to be a lie
 
Esch said:
Just like they were '10? Romney out-raised Obama in May and raised over 4m within 24 hours of the healthcare ruling... I don't think Republicans are done yet
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What's going to happen is exactly what happened in California respecting Meg Wittman. She spent $110,000,000 of her own money combined with the raise campaign money against Jerry Brown's money. He said in an interview, "I got twenty million in the bank". And then Meg Wittman got her head handed to her!

No, people are much smarter than some think. 2008 was the referendum on Republicans. 2010 was warning shot across the bow of the Democrats. What voters really did however, was give the GOP a chance to show everyone what they're really all about, and we've found out that they're all about obstructionism and they have nothing to offer this country in the way of any benefit whatsoever.

So, yes, Obama will win. How big he will win will be the telling for 2016.
 
TurtleDude said:
Kerry was a complete idiot-his only argument he was smarter than Bush and that was proven to be a lie
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Could you link to the verifiable evidence which shows this was "A LIE"?
 
TurtleDude said:
Kerry was a complete idiot-his only argument he was smarter than Bush and that was proven to be a lie
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I don't care if the Dems put up a hampster as a candidate....literally ANYTHING would have been better then the horrific job that GWB did in his first term.

After the successful overthrow of the Taliban in Afghanistan (he was not too terrible before that, imo)...Bush made one horrific mistake after another.

Invading Iraq, Gitmo, Patriot Act, his juvenile, low-income housing fantasy and on and on....just in the first term.


Now Obama, with his lying (closing Gitmo, halving the deficit in his first term, etc.), Obamacare and his totally useless handling of the economy...this guy is giving GWB a run for his money on Presidential patheticness.
 
TurtleDude said:
given your usual rate of accuracy, its good to see such a claim. Obama is a failure-anyone who understands that and isn't a hard core social fascist will vote for Romney. we have a few extreme right sore losers here who want Obama to win because their fascist candidate lost but so what
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Nice (chuckle) "inaccuracy"? "Fascist"? What inaccuracies are you talking about? List them. And fascist leader? Uh, who would that be?
 
jamesrage said:
Yes. Romney is such a lousy candidate that Obama would have to royally **** up in order for Romney to win.The republicans handed Obama 2012.
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More precisely the teaparty will have handed it to obama if he wins...I mean seriously...Michelle Bachman and the 999 nutcase herman cain ? Ron Paul...what did you expect anyway.
 
lpast said:
More precisely the teaparty will have handed it to obama if he wins...I mean seriously...Michelle Bachman and the 999 nutcase herman cain ? Ron Paul...what did you expect anyway.
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The 999 plan is much better than the tax system that we have now.
 
johnny_rebson said:
The 999 plan is much better than the tax system that we have now.
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Well, I LOVED the part about removing all deductions except charitable tax contributions....fantastic.

But the rest of it (like ending capital gains taxes) basically just gave the rich a huge tax break.


I believe everyone should pay exactly the same tax rate - no matter what their income (after the first $8,000 at 0%).
 
Thunder said:
most Americans are smart enough to understand that Obama really isn't at fault for this, as the European debt-crisis and China's reaction to it, is playing a large part in all of this.
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Surely, you jest.

Most Americans vote out of party loyalty and/or base their votes on that billion dollar bilious ad campaign both candidates are waging.

Can Obama get elected if unemployment remains high? Hard to say. His reelection is more probable if unemployment starts to decline, but it really depends on which one is the better liar and which ad campaign works best.
 
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