What SCOTUS decision on Obamacare will help the President's reelection bid the most?

What SCOTUS decision on Obamacare will help the President's reelection bid the most?

I'm interested to see what people think. I've heard some speculation from the media but not much. What do you think?

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Μολὼν λαβέ;1060631727 said:

What SCOTUS decision on Obamacare will help the President's reelection bid the most?

I'm interested to see what people think. I've heard some speculation from the media but not much. What do you think?

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A decision to affirm that the mandate and the rest of the law are constitutional. No question.

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Μολὼν λαβέ;1060631727 said:

What SCOTUS decision on Obamacare will help the President's reelection bid the most?

I'm interested to see what people think. I've heard some speculation from the media but not much. What do you think?

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I voted that Obama would benefit the most if the mandate is found unconstitutional. This allows him and the Democrats to instead of focusing on the mandate to focus on the other aspects of the bill which, right or wrong, are more popular with the public than the individual mandate.

I'd also say he stands to gain if the whole bill is found constitutional though. If the whole bill's found unconstitutional, its a pretty big blow for him.

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Striking the WHOLE bill will help Obama the most. 1) he STILL gets the support from those that hoped for free stuff 2) he gets no blame for a mandate (since it never happened) 3) he get BILLIONS in "free" money, allocated for ObamaCare, but now free to use to buy votes. ;-)

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Although I'm sure it's not intended as a trick question, it is tricky.
You would think that finding of constitutional would be best. If declaired constitutional, it could piss off the low information voters who think it's unconstitutional enough to get them to the polls.
If declaired Unconstitutional may energize those who would have been helped by it, but weren'tgoing to vote, to reelect the president.
But then I bet that Scott Walker would have been recalled, so I'm a little bit gunshy on making predictions. eace

Μολὼν λαβέ;1060631727 said:

What SCOTUS decision on Obamacare will help the President's reelection bid the most?

I'm interested to see what people think. I've heard some speculation from the media but not much. What do you think?

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I voted "mandate" as "that which hurts him the least.

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Μολὼν λαβέ;1060631727 said:

What SCOTUS decision on Obamacare will help the President's reelection bid the most?

I'm interested to see what people think. I've heard some speculation from the media but not much. What do you think?

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If the whole bill had been rejected it would have helped him the most. He could have listed it as yet another dramatic example of how conservatives in government are more responsive to the interests of corporations than the welfare of the American people, along with the campaign financing law and other developments.

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Μολὼν λαβέ;1060631727 said:

What SCOTUS decision on Obamacare will help the President's reelection bid the most?

I'm interested to see what people think. I've heard some speculation from the media but not much. What do you think?

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I repeat my comment from yesterday. Now O has to continue to defend the mostrosity. I was amused to see him say, in his statement, that the time fore debate was over!

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This decision may very well energize conservatives and give romney a boost

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I don't see this giving much boost to Romney at all. He is already struggling to define himself, and now he will claim to repeal that which he started in Massachusetts. Romney is horrible at disguising himself as a conservative because he is far from that. It amazes me that people actually believe he isn't the liberal that his record says he is.

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AreteCourage said:

I don't see this giving much boost to Romney at all. He is already struggling to define himself, and now he will claim to repeal that which he started in Massachusetts. Romney is horrible at disguising himself as a conservative because he is far from that. It amazes me that people actually believe he isn't the liberal that his record says he is.

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Hes already made the claim he would repeal obamacare...and hes telling everyone I need your help we have to get obama out to repeal obamacare...


Romney: 'If We Want to Get Rid of Obamacare, We're Going to Have to Replace President Obama'

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs...ing-have-replace-ppresident-obama_647937.html

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If Obama lost in the courts, this would have meant a Conservative landslide on November 6th. As it stand, he's given the Republicans 2 black eyes and I for one can't wait until he kicks his campaign in full gear to make sure they are aware of it. They can't call him a tyrant because the courts agreed with him. They can't call the courts Liberal because the deciding decision was Roberts. They're essentially in check mate. Now all that is left is for Obama to take the presidency again 2012 and it'll all be the BIGGEST upset in US history. Republicans snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

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lpast said:

Hes already made the claim he would repeal obamacare...and hes telling everyone I need your help we have to get obama out to repeal obamacare...


Romney: 'If We Want to Get Rid of Obamacare, We're Going to Have to Replace President Obama'

Romney: 'If We Want to Get Rid of Obamacare, We're Going to Have to Replace President Obama' | The Weekly Standard

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Yeah I know what he has been saying, but I simply don't trust this sleaze. He is the type of person that would put his arm around your shoulder before placing the knife in your back. Romney's rhetoric means absolutely nothing.

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Nah. President Romney on day one knows if he doesn't start getting rid of Obamacare he will never see another Inauguration Day. I don't trust him to do it as a matter of principle - I trust him to do it as a matter of self-interest.

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Hatuey said:

If Obama lost in the courts, this would have meant a Conservative landslide on November 6th. As it stand, he's given the Republicans 2 black eyes and I for one can't wait until he kicks his campaign in full gear to make sure they are aware of it. They can't call him a tyrant because the courts agreed with him. They can't call the courts Liberal because the deciding decision was Roberts. They're essentially in check mate. Now all that is left is for Obama to take the presidency again 2012 and it'll all be the BIGGEST upset in US history. Republicans snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

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:shrug: we'll see. You may want to check with George Bush Sr on how seemingly invincible campaigns go after you break a "no taxes" pledge.

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My stance on this has been pretty much the same throughout. And it's two sided

Obama

The best option for Obama was for this thing to be upheld. It lets him continue to latch onto it as his pinnacle legislative accomplishment and has multiple provisions that he can pitch to people to get support. It is also a "legacy" type issue where having it overturn would've damaged it. He's had 4 years to create a record and if 1 year of that was pretty much wiped from the books it would've hurt

GOP

For their interests in general, overturning it would've been the best thing for them. If this thing isn't gone by 2014 it's likely not going away, which means they have to win the Presidency and take at least some seats in the Senate to have any hope here.

However, I think electorally that it being upheld is the better result. Had this been overturned the Republicans would be able to thud their chest and criticize Obama for it, but that'd be what the result would be...simply attack ammunition. With it upheld, the fervor on the right and even in the right leaning middle to get this thing overturned basically just had lighter fluid poured on it. Donations and involvement by the base gets inflamed. One of Romney's weaknesses is that he doesn't inspire a lot of emotional support from the base...however, having this issue on the table still and now with it blazing hot, it gives a surrogate to him that will get the base stoked. Meanwhile the method this was made constitutional, in terms of it being deemed unequivocably a "tax", provides ammunition to attack as well. Granted, both sides will swing things as they always do but it is still ammunition that can possibly help.

This is why I've not really cared too much about this case as it relates specifically to the election. For Obama it was a Win / Lose scenario in terms of how it helped/hurt his camp. For the Republicans though I always viewed it as a "win/win" in terms of the election. Get rid of it and you take a major plank away from Obama and have ammo to atack. Keep it and you have a McGuffin your base will chase with the fervor of a bathsalts fueled mob and potentially have ammo to attack.

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Zyphlin said:

With it upheld, the fervor on the right and even in the right leaning middle to get this thing overturned basically just had lighter fluid poured on it. Donations and involvement by the base gets inflamed. One of Romney's weaknesses is that he doesn't inspire a lot of emotional support from the base...however, having this issue on the table still and now with it blazing hot, it gives a surrogate to him that will get the base stoked.

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Romney picked up what - about 4.5 million in the 24 hours after the ruling?

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cpwill said:

Romney picked up what - about 4.5 million in the 24 hours after the ruling?

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Until they realize this cpwill...that romeny is a total phony...he pushed and passed almost the same thing in Mass...Now all of sudden hes against it and wants to repeal obamacare...but RomenyCARE is still alive and well....WHOS THE LIAR NOW CPWILL

Romneycare Architect: Individual Mandate 'Very Similar' In Obama, Romney Bills

One of the few individuals who worked on health care reform under both Mitt Romney and President Barack Obama said on Friday that the controversial individual mandate provision was virtually identical in the bills signed into law by each of them.

"They are very similar," said Jonathan Gruber, a professor of Economics at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, in an interview with "They aren't the same exact mandate, but they have the same basic structure."

Romneycare Architect: Individual Mandate 'Very Similar' In Obama, Romney Bills

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lpast said:

Until they realize this cpwill...that romeny is a total phony...he pushed and passed almost the same thing in Mass...Now all of sudden hes against it and wants to repeal obamacare...but RomenyCARE is still alive and well....WHOS THE LIAR NOW CPWILL

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Obamacare =/= Romneycare. One is a state law, one is a federal law. Regardless, it's not as if conservatives don't know about Romneycare. It's not exactly new information.

I would say that the "liar" is the one who argued both that the thing was and was not a tax.

And I'm still waiting on you to explain to me how you justify supporting Obama given his Medicare cuts, and what Obamacare means for Medicare.

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lpast said:

Until they realize this cpwill...that romeny is a total phony

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Here's the thing for people that keep going "But wait until hey realize he did Romneycare"

Do you not think that, at the very least, a large amount of his supporters at this point are fully aware of Romneycare? Or do you think it's some skeleton in his closet that's going to sneak up and bite everyone causing shock and surprise?

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Zyphlin said:

Here's the thing for people that keep going "But wait until hey realize he did Romneycare"

Do you not think that, at the very least, a large amount of his supporters at this point are fully aware of Romneycare? Or do you think it's some skeleton in his closet that's going to sneak up and bite everyone causing shock and surprise?

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wait.... wait.


Mitt Romney and the guy behind Romneycare are the same guy?!?!? :shock:


why didn't anyone bring this up in the primary!?!

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cpwill said:

wait.... wait.


Mitt Romney and the guy behind Romneycare are the same guy?!?!? :shock:


why didn't anyone bring this up in the primary!?!

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Being aware of Romney's health care reform and having Obama beat him upside the head with it in debates are two entirely different things.