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Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?

  • Yes

    Votes: 12 42.9%

  • No

    Votes: 16 57.1%
  • Total voters
    28
megaprogman said:
Here is that racism again.

To be clear, denying that black, asian, indian, or whatever people are not human is a racist attitude.
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That is hilarious.

If a person was of the belief that another was not human, there is no racism.
 
Lokiate said:
I'm going to go with no, for the same reasons indentured servitude is illegal.
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The question is "Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?" In a libertarian state with laws that support the libertarian type of governing there would not be an extraneous law making indentured servitude illegal.
 
Excon said:
That is hilarious.

If a person was of the belief that another was not human, there is no racism.
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only to those with a warp definition of racism. I am glad your ignorance amuses you. It amuses me too.
 
Excon said:
Wrong!
You responded to me. It was what I was addressing.
You fail to realize that.
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I was responding to a post by OhIsee.Then, who was not talking about the past.



There you go, talking about today again.
IOt has no bearing on what I said. And you were responding to me.
So maybe you should read and comprehend that to which you are responding.
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Post #20 of this thread. Look it up, and see who I was talking to.
 
Excon said:
That is hilarious.

If a person was of the belief that another was not human, there is no racism.
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so, you're saying that black slavery was not a racist institution?

Europeans did not consider Africans to be an inferior race?
 
OhIsee.Then said:
The question is "Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?" In a libertarian state with laws that support the libertarian type of governing there would not be an extraneous law making indentured servitude illegal.
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You're speaking of objectivist libertarians.
 
megaprogman said:
only to those with a warp definition of racism. I am glad your ignorance amuses you. It amuses me too.
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Clearly it is not my ignorance of what is being discussed, but yours, and your desire to make things personal when they are not.
 
Excon said:
Clearly it is not my ignorance of what is being discussed, but yours, and your desire to make things personal when they are not.
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I call it when I see it :shrug:
 
OhIsee.Then said:
OK. So partial libertarians would not have as many laws scratched off the books. Which ones?
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What exactly do you mean by partial? Libertarianism started in the 18th century. Objectivism is a philosophy from the 1950's that dry-humped its way into American politics to justify corporatist abuse of society. They're about as Libertarian as Karl Marx.
 
In the days of the founding fathers blacks were considered sub human so you cant define their actions by todays thinking. Slaves were more livestock than actual slaves, they were used as beast of burden.A true slave would be more like someone you captured in a war that you kept "enslaved" like the American Indians did when they warred with other tribes.
 
Ron Paul's son is against desegregation.. a lot of republicans are too, just talk to them on this site. They think the government shouldn't have desegregated.
 
Apparently you can be against slavery and own slaves... :shrug:
 
Excon said:
no. He was clearly asking about the founders. So the answer depends on how they saw things.


Or how about not making a big deal about someone being corrected and instead learn from the mistake, and move on?
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The title of the poll is "Can you be a slave owner and a libertarian at the same time?"
 
Thunder said:
in 2012, if you own slaves, it is IMPOSSIBLE for you to be a Libertarian.
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Libertarianism didn't really exist at the time of the FF. It's a relatively new political philosophy, it's a modern invention. For Ron Paul to say the FF were "libertarian" is a misnomer; they were inspired by the birth of rationalism and the humanities and egalitarian political impulses of the Enlightenment. The FF may have held many of the same values as libertarians, but to say they were libertarians is pandering, IMO.
 
RadicalModerate said:
Libertarianism didn't really exist at the time of the FF. It's a relatively new political philosophy, it's a modern invention. For Ron Paul to say the FF were "libertarian" is a misnomer; they were inspired by the birth of rationalism and the humanities and egalitarian political impulses of the Enlightenment. The FF may have held many of the same values as libertarians, but to say they were libertarians is pandering, IMO.
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Actually it has it's roots in the 18th century during the period of enlightenment. What is generally accepted as being Libertarian, such as the views Ron Paul expresses, are very different, though. Modern American libertarianism has its roots in 1950's Objectivism. Libertarianism back in the 1700's is what many would call "Classic Liberalism" today.
 
Excon said:
And look to the example that was given to generate the discussion.
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Yes, I gave the example of a supposed "opponent" of slavery, who owned slaves and is considered by many Libertarians to be one of their own.
 
Lokiate said:
Actually it has it's roots in the 18th century during the period of enlightenment. What is generally accepted as being Libertarian, such as the views Ron Paul expresses, are very different, though. Modern American libertarianism has its roots in 1950's Objectivism. Libertarianism back in the 1700's is what many would call "Classic Liberalism" today.
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Libertarianism is a reaction against Communism, the social upheavals of the 60's and the expansion of US government in the same period. It certainly traces roots back into "classical liberalism", but not solely. It also finds origins in the Buckley-inspired new conservative movement and the burgeoning Chicago and Austrian schools of economics.

The point is Libertarianism is differentiated from liberalism by when and why it formed; it's a purely American philosophy, really. It doesn't really exist in other areas, except as a newly imported political philosophy. By any other name, the basics of Libertarianism is classical liberalism; free people and free markets. Where the difference comes in is how that philosophy is applied to the zeitgeist and the specifics of how it's core ideals are applied.
 
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Thrilla said:
i'm wondering what ideology would find slavery as consistent with it's tenants....
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I'm wondering why anybody is wondering about this arcane issue when none of us has any idea whatsoever of earlier times, particularly ancient times, when slavery was a norm.
 
nota bene said:
I'm wondering why anybody is wondering about this arcane issue when none of us has any idea whatsoever of earlier times, particularly ancient times, when slavery was a norm.
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Who is "none of us"? You may want to drop by your local library. I bet you'll find at least half a dozen people who have written about what "ancient times" (ie less than 250 years ago) were like.
 
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