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Should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

should students be suspended or expelled for truancy/tardiness?

  • Yes

    Votes: 7 21.2%
  • No

    Votes: 26 78.8%

  • Total voters
    33
This opinion is FALSE, sorry lol... She was i deed an honor student. So, your opinion, even if a student aces test or grades, its more about time served, not about qualuty? If this was the case then students that never missed a day should be honor students, not ones that actally excel in academics... You should not be leaning conservative lol...

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I see the typos, but thats just this I Pad acting stupid

There was a another thread all about that kid which is why I ignored it. But I will say the same thing I said in that thread. If you miss X amount of days at work when you're suppose to be there in the adult world what happens?

You get fired. Even if you do good work.
 
There was a another thread all about that kid which is why I ignored it. But I will say the same thing I said in that thread. If you miss X amount of days at work when you're suppose to be there in the adult world what happens?

You get fired. Even if you do good work.
At my vo-tech if you miss 10 days, be those days 'excused' or not, you're dropped. Not from a given class, no, you're dropped from the program, out, and it doesn't matter why you missed those days.

You're also placed on academic probation for the next semester you're enrolled, which means you can't get federal aid.

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This is a big reason why students try to bring children to class when other arrangement's can't be made. Missing a day simply isn't an option.
 
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At my vo-tech if you miss 10 days, be those days 'excused' or not, you're dropped. Not from a given class, no, you're dropped from the program, out, and it doesn't matter why you missed those days.

You're also placed on academic probation for the next semester you're enrolled, which means you can't get federal aid.

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This is a big reason why students try to bring children to class when other arrangement's can't be made. Missing a day simply isn't an option.
Vo-tech, if it means the same thing it used to, is a different deal because the class is mostly hands on, it's not academic. Many college science courses have labs, which are also pretty much mandatory since they're a big part of your grade and you have to perform the experiment. But a good student can ace a math or English course and never set foot in the classroom except to take the tests.
 
Vo-tech, if it means the same thing it used to, is a different deal because the class is mostly hands on, it's not academic. Many college science courses have labs, which are also pretty much mandatory since they're a big part of your grade and you have to perform the experiment. But a good student can ace a math or English course and never set foot in the classroom except to take the tests.
You have it correct. Very hands-on. The one I attend offers a degree form of most courses, but it's just an associates.
 
I think few people really think teachers only care about teachers profits. Remember that this was not an union action. It was you trying to change local policies for one school.

However, I can understand very well why the principal repealed the policy. Your policy failed. 1/3 of the students failed, and that is totally unacceptable. And many of these students are not going to learn their lesson. They are going to drop out, or do the same next year. The problem with your policy is this. If you breach the 15 day limit, then there is no point in attending school.

The aim was legitimate, but next time you need to think about the unintended consequences of your policies.

Actually it was indeed a union action. I was the legally elected union representative. I had a legally elected union committee. We legally represented the teaching staff. We did so as the official union people. Our proposal was done in that way as a union proposal.

Our policy did wonders for improving student attendance among the average student. We saw positive benefits for the majority of the students. The problem is with the bottom group who simply will not come to school on a regular basis and end up failing. For far too many years, I saw administrative policy after administrative policy adopted to simply cater to this group and NOT the average student. They kept trying to come up with ways to cater to this population and they did not seem to care about the negative effects it would have on the average student who was willing to toe the line and obey but was led astray by weak rules and weak policies.

That was wrong and that was one major factor is ruining the system.

The principal axed it because she would come under scrutiny from her administrative superiors outside the school.
 
It doesn't make sense to expel or suspend someone from a place that you are trying to make them go to.

It's like this...

"You've missed two weeks of school with no excuse."

"I know.."

"You are expelled!"

"Umm...ok I wasn't going anyway."
 
When I was in high school I got suspended for skipping a bunch of days. Basically I got an extended vacation. They should have made my punishment be at school. Suspending me only gave me more of what I wanted.
 
When I was in high school I got suspended for skipping a bunch of days. Basically I got an extended vacation. They should have made my punishment be at school. Suspending me only gave me more of what I wanted.

I was suspended once when I was in the 5th grade and loved the hell out of it - they left me home completely alone. No older sisters? Full access to the TV and all else? . . it ****in rocked. I cranked up the stereo real loud - jammed all day.

Oh wait - I was suppose to be miserable.
 
Heres my experience with Truancy, I was head of security for a large Alternative HS in NJ after retiring. The school was full of kids that had failed or been tossed out of regular HS for everything from Atrocious assaults...robbery, drugs and truancy...the whole gamut of screwed up.
The policy of the Alternative School was you miss 35 days in a year you fail....NO ONE FAILED, only the kids that didnt come at all for months.
That is not a truancy policy. I agree that suspending kids for truancy doesnt work...but what does...NOTHING ...the only weapon you have is eventual expulsion and that will only work if they care.\
Public education has to stop worrying about individual child acheivements or small groups..that have to let some just GO, fail them throw them out on their ear and look at the big goal..>EDUCATING THE MOST KIDS YOU CAN. You cant save them all and were spending too much money and time on the ones that are unsalvageable. Its not fair to all the good kids to keep the dirtbag kids around far longer than you should with them disrupting everything.
Unfortunately in some states each student has a dollar value...for every student that they lose the school loses 6,000 to 10,000 that has got to stop too.
Some schools refuse to hold kids back and move forward morons that cant possibly do the work at that level...they do that to keep thier Success Statistics up...its WRONG this whole system of we need to lie and keep dirtbag kids in schools for funding and the appearance of success SUCKS...We need to get back to keeping johnny back and if johnny continues to be a little rectum then for the good of all the other kids Little Johnny gets thrown out on his arse

But No Child Left Behind says that the schools have to educate them all, whether they want it or not, and that if they fail in that impossible task, then it's all the fault of the school.

Seriously, there is no way to give anyone an education against their will. Public education should be seen as a privilege, not a right, and certainly not an obligation.
 
This opinion is FALSE...
That is an impossiblity.
Opinions cannot be true or false.

Now, the information and thought process that LEAD to a given opinion can easily be faulty.
 
The purpose of in home suspension was two-fold:
1) to inform the child their actions were so inconsistent with what we allow that they are to be temporarily removed from the school environment. Basically, what you did was so serious we're considering not having you around at all. In the schools I went to and taught at, a two day in home suspension wasn't over when the two days were up. It was over when, after the two days, the parents and the student met with the administrator and discussed why the child should be allowed back in school.

2) to inform the parents. This is typically a huge burden for the parents, and one more hassle they just didn't need. So generally, the parents made sure little Johnnie went forth to sin no more.

But if neither the parents nor the child cares, and the educators cannot find a way to make them care, it's time to cut bait and send the little urchin to the alternative school where they can learn all about if folks will want fries with that.
 
Yes, because such students would be highly disruptive of other students. They generally are the "bottom that slows down the rest of the class."

A truant student should be jailed in juvenile detention by the police and banned from having a drivers license until age 18. A "student" would only be released from juvenile detention when all overdue homework was caught up and correctly completed. If they will not do school work in school, do required school work in jail.

Once old enough to no longer be required to attend school (varies from state to state) then continually truant and tardy students without good reason would be banned from school attendance.

There must be negative consequences, not feel-good pity rewards, for improper conduct. This, too, is part of the educational process.

Not to really chance topics, Trayvon Martin was a truant and on repeated suspensions. In response his father rewarded him with candy and total lack of supervision to wander the streets. Until that night, he had only been rewarded from bad behavior and definance. Look how that ended.

A student who is perpetually truant or tardy with no good reason by the 10th grade is likely so out of control for bad parenting or whatever reasons for many they need be banned from school to not cause any diversions or expenses from students who want to learn. I know students who find school dismal when in classes with goof-offs, those who come when they want or not, etc. Most time then is devoted to those students, at the expense of students who truly want to learn.
 
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It doesn't make sense to expel or suspend someone from a place that you are trying to make them go to.

It's like this...

"You've missed two weeks of school with no excuse."

"I know.."

"You are expelled!"

"Umm...ok I wasn't going anyway."


Therefore no longer disrupting or holding class back. However, "expelled" if still of required attendance age then should mean spending school time in a juvenile detention center. See how much fun that is as many of them statistically are otherwise headed towards prison anyway. EDUCATE them of their future in case any want to avoid a prison life and/or poverty future.
 
...But if neither the parents nor the child cares, and the educators cannot find a way to make them care, it's time to cut bait and send the little urchin to the alternative school where they can learn all about if folks will want fries with that.


We actually turned a high school sophmore prone to apathy in school work and increasingly dropping grades and increasingly bad attendance - with that point. At every store, gas station, restaurant. WalMart, grocery store... one of us would ALWAYS point to the person behind the counter, register etc and ask: "If that what you plan to do for the rest of your life because most people end up in jobs like that. If don't want a job like that, YOU better figure how to avoid it and you only have a year or so left to do so."

It got to that teen, who became a 4.0 student and was SO intense in all aspects of education, not just school, but interships, studies, volunteerism that it resulted in a full university scholarship. That teen no longer is headed towards "do you want to supersize it?" but instead literally towards a PhD in the medical field.

Pandering is counter productive. Hit teens with REALITY. Negative consequences for negative actions AND for inactions. Then that teen has no excuses as an adult. Take their earned place at the bottom of the social and economic ladder following rules (laws) doing so - or break laws and have a life in prison making our license plates and picking up litter along the roadways.
 
Depends on the student but many of the worse offenders should be kicked out of school, absolutely.
 
It makes sense to me to reserve the worst punishments for the worst behavior - when a student makes school life a negative or a danger to others THEN pull out the extremes like expulsion or long-term suspension, etc.

Truancy only negatively affects the student's school life - it's not the worst thing possible. . . the response should be in the middle.
 
Then perhaps the kids should act like they are there for learning, rather than quasi-criminals and delinquents.

No, kids don't hate school because of the learning, they dislike it because of how the schools are run. Think about it, students are restricted from using the bathroom, which should only apply to people in jail. Some schools also love to get buttsore when there is a certain number of students in the halls (for any reason, with or without a pass) while prisoners are not allowed to leave their cell for any reason. Don't forget the number of community service hours required to graduate high school, while the same thing goes to people who litter or drop a banana out of the car window.

Milwaukee Public Schools does not want their schools to be like a prison, and more of a learning environment. That makes it nearly impossible with school principals making unneccessary rules that jeopardize the possibilty of students feeling that they're actually in school for a reason, not so that they feel that they have to folllow the authority of an administrator or teacher.
 
Like so many things suspension should exist in a graduated spectrum of tools to use when a student does not function within the school rules. As a first time consequence of tardiness or even failure to appear - no (for most cases). But as a close to the final warning that the school is ready to cut bait with you - yes.
 
Yes they should be penalized.....

A child's "job" is to get an education. In order to do that they need to be in school. I'm in favor of expelling ANY student who misses a certain number of class days without proper excuse (medical mostly). Obviously they aren't interested in being there, and just like if I failed to show up for my job I would be fired, they should be removed from the system.

If you believe that a child's main job is to get an education, you have some problems.

The problem with this country is that people seem to think kid's should only focus on their schoolwork. Neither of my teachers I had for the past two school years gave you detention or even yelled at you for not doing your classwork or homework. All of my high school teachers at my school had a number one rule. If they don't do their homework, just fail them. There was issues where teachers at the K-8 school I went to gave out detentions if you don't do your homework. Then, I see that the 8th grade gets recess detention when they don't even have recess.

As for the truancy, no. Plus, be aware that these zero-tolerance policies could actually be the number 1 step to try to get out of school. All you have to do is bring a BB gun to your school, haze somebody with it, and then you're gone! What makes it even better? The school district don't send the students who brung weapons to school to alternative nor partnership school. This means that students are now permitted to stay out of school for bringing a BB gun to school.
 
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No, kids don't hate school because of the learning, they dislike it because of how the schools are run. Think about it, students are restricted from using the bathroom, which should only apply to people in jail. Some schools also love to get buttsore when there is a certain number of students in the halls (for any reason, with or without a pass) while prisoners are not allowed to leave their cell for any reason. Don't forget the number of community service hours required to graduate high school, while the same thing goes to people who litter or drop a banana out of the car window.

Milwaukee Public Schools does not want their schools to be like a prison, and more of a learning environment. That makes it nearly impossible with school principals making unneccessary rules that jeopardize the possibilty of students feeling that they're actually in school for a reason, not so that they feel that they have to folllow the authority of an administrator or teacher.

You sound like a kid that has not notion of how and why structure and rules are implemented.
 
No, kids don't hate school because of the learning, they dislike it because of how the schools are run. Think about it, students are restricted from using the bathroom, which should only apply to people in jail. Some schools also love to get buttsore when there is a certain number of students in the halls (for any reason, with or without a pass) while prisoners are not allowed to leave their cell for any reason. Don't forget the number of community service hours required to graduate high school, while the same thing goes to people who litter or drop a banana out of the car window.

Milwaukee Public Schools does not want their schools to be like a prison, and more of a learning environment. That makes it nearly impossible with school principals making unneccessary rules that jeopardize the possibilty of students feeling that they're actually in school for a reason, not so that they feel that they have to folllow the authority of an administrator or teacher.

That tells me more about the sad mindset of adults who can't be on their own and have to be treated like children because they can't behave right rather than telling me some revealing 'truth' about students and how they're treated in school.

Prisoner's should be ashamed that they're restricted more than students in elementary school are.

I think this shameful fact about prisoner's and how they're just like little children just zipped right by you.
 
No, kids don't hate school because of the learning, they dislike it because of how the schools are run. Think about it, students are restricted from using the bathroom, which should only apply to people in jail. Some schools also love to get buttsore when there is a certain number of students in the halls (for any reason, with or without a pass) while prisoners are not allowed to leave their cell for any reason. Don't forget the number of community service hours required to graduate high school, while the same thing goes to people who litter or drop a banana out of the car window.

Kids had better get use to it.

At my job I am restricted in when I go to the bathroom. Only one person at a time can be on break (ie hallways). I also have a required quota to meet (ie community service hours).

Welcome to the real world Marcus903.
 
If you believe that a child's main job is to get an education, you have some problems.

It IS the kid's job to get an education. And the parents job to make sure they get it. Indeed I would argue that it is EVERYONE's job to be educated and continue their education all through life. One of my motto's is "No day is wasted if you learn something new".

The problem with this country is that people seem to think kid's should only focus on their schoolwork. Neither of my teachers I had for the past two school years gave you detention or even yelled at you for not doing your classwork or homework. All of my high school teachers at my school had a number one rule. If they don't do their homework, just fail them. There was issues where teachers at the K-8 school I went to gave out detentions if you don't do your homework. Then, I see that the 8th grade gets recess detention when they don't even have recess.

Bold: Then those were crappy teachers. No problem is ever solved by ignoring it.

As for the truancy, no. Plus, be aware that these zero-tolerance policies could actually be the number 1 step to try to get out of school. All you have to do is bring a BB gun to your school, haze somebody with it, and then you're gone! What makes it even better? The school district don't send the students who brung weapons to school to alternative nor partnership school. This means that students are now permitted to stay out of school for bringing a BB gun to school.

If a student brings a gunt to school..be it a BB gun or not then they should be in jail ESPECIALLY if they use it. And yes they should be expelled. There are many more students that are worth the time and effort than that idiot that was so fracking stupid as to bring a gun to a school.

And before you complain that "its just a BB GUN!" you should consider that a air pump BB gun can be just as deadly as a .22 rifle.
 
No, kids don't hate school because of the learning, they dislike it because of how the schools are run. Think about it, students are restricted from using the bathroom, which should only apply to people in jail. Some schools also love to get buttsore when there is a certain number of students in the halls (for any reason, with or without a pass) while prisoners are not allowed to leave their cell for any reason. Don't forget the number of community service hours required to graduate high school, while the same thing goes to people who litter or drop a banana out of the car window.

Milwaukee Public Schools does not want their schools to be like a prison, and more of a learning environment. That makes it nearly impossible with school principals making unneccessary rules that jeopardize the possibilty of students feeling that they're actually in school for a reason, not so that they feel that they have to folllow the authority of an administrator or teacher.

Yes exactly, most schools public or private are run like a prison, which is particularly cruel given that the only thing one does to deserve this treatment is being born. If they stop making K-12 education a sheer utter waste of time, do away with actual criminal or otherwise harassing behavior, and stop running them like a prison, then we can talk about punishment for skipping.
 
Kids had better get use to it.

At my job I am restricted in when I go to the bathroom. Only one person at a time can be on break (ie hallways). I also have a required quota to meet (ie community service hours).

Welcome to the real world Marcus903.

Except that you can quit your job at any time and at least attempt to find another that doesn't have such policies, and I'd imagine something actually gets accomplished at your place of work. I doubt employers would put up with co workers being such little ****s to you either as is quite common in K-12. You're also getting paid for it. The "real world" I find is far more what we make of it and has little in common with K-12.
 
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